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Old 06-23-2004, 05:50 PM   #31
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Well i'm not gonna rush into doing it just to beat a company. But it will be done. Gonna build up the b16 for boost before dropping it in.
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Old 06-23-2004, 07:33 PM   #32
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

i agree with jcrx...need to steer clear of the older b16 and get the newer k20...since honda engines get better with every new series...better to stay ahead of the game
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Old 06-23-2004, 07:41 PM   #33
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

im wondering about the guage cluster, maybe lookn into a CRX cluster to help out with some of the wiring, and just the sentiment of the CRX essence, they are classics, and yes they do need a modern version
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Old 06-23-2004, 07:43 PM   #34
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

this may be getting a little off topic, but does anyone else here see a potential rebuild of an insight to a del sol format (convertible-type)? i think enthusiasts and basically any sunday driver would absolutely love a topless car that got them 50+ mpg
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Old 06-23-2004, 08:41 PM   #35
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I dunno how it would look though on an Insight, it also might affect the MPG that it gets regardless of whether the top is on or off. The added weight would also affect the MPG. I always wanted to do t-tops on a prelude.

I'm not so sure about using a k-series engine. And the smallest engine of the bunch is 2 liter.

Plus i don't know the specs on the k series engines. Like the r/s ratio, I know a lot about the b-series engines and there workings. There isn't enough talk about turbocharging k-series engines and stuff like that. Plus I don't know much about the new vtec.
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

do some research...think there have been a few threads started about the K on here...IMO the B series is old technology since the new K came out...and if anything it'd look at home in the Insite...i think u'll come out better with the K
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Old 06-24-2004, 12:48 AM   #37
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Any B series engine stock make just as much hp per liter as any k-series engine. How it is old technology is beyond me. Plus I'd rather have a 1.6liter engine instead of a 2.0 liter. Just personal preference i guess.
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

i say itz old technology b/c if u look at the history of hondas' engines...they get progressively better by each series...so with the introduction of the new K series...there will be new and better things that will be made available for it
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

its old technology becuase it is not as sophisticated as the newer K series motors. if it were, then they would still be in cars. plus why a 1.6 over a 2.0. even the 2.0 has the same hp, but the extra tq it has will kill the 1.6l, not to mention if you step upto the k24a2 out of a TSX, and mate the k20a head from the JDM ITR onto it. thats 220hp and almost 200lb/ft of tq.
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The fact that it's gonna be a smaller engine is why i want a 1.6 liter compared to a 2.0 or 2.4 liter. It's worse losing to a 1.6 liter than it is losing to a 2.0 or 2.4 liter. Oh yeh torque isn't the best thing in a lightweight car. Have you ever seen a hatch with an h22a gun it at a stoplight? Can you say wheel spin. The first 2 gears all spin. And with a turbo I'd have even more torque than stock (which would be a bad thing) and I would really be going through tires quick.

The fact that i know more about the b-series engine will help me in turbocharging and making more power out of it. As far as i know the k-series may put out more HP than a b18c5 but it is also a bigger engine and that's why, not because the technology is better. The b16 still has the best R/S ratio out of all the honda engines.

If the K-series engines were better you would see them in the all motor drag honda's but you don't cause the B-series engines are just as capable. So why explore new engines?

If you have any real reason's why the k-series engines is better than the b-series engines then list them. Not just saying that honda's engines get better with each generation, cause i really don't see it in the k-series engines. Is the R/S ratio better. Do they make more HP per liter than the other engines? Sure it's a newer engine but that doesn't matter if i'm gonna replace everything in the engine to boost it.

Then price and parts come into effect. The k-series cost more to buy stock than a b-series. And so do the parts, and they're aren't as many parts for the k-series compared to the b-series engines. How many k-series engine's do you see boosted in comparison to b-series engines? Barely any compared to the b-series. Yeh it would be very original to use a K-series but it just doesn't make sense. Doe's the K-series weigh more or less than the B-Series engines? If there's something about the K-series that makes it better please let me know as i really don't know much about them.
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Re: b16 in an Insight?

the B series hase been out since 90...so ofcourse u'd see more boosted B series motors out there than u would K...but that's not to say they aren't out there...and the K is too new to be seen in drag cars...actully i would even say that those are B engines...too modified...i don't see how u'd replace everything in the engine to boost it...but like i said...do research...the B is an old motor...and if ur putting an engine into a newer car..as in the insite..ur better off with the K...but u can't argue a point with someone who's already made up their mind
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