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View Poll Results: Old School or New School | |||
Old School | 4 | 66.67% | |
New School | 2 | 33.33% | |
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05-17-2004, 10:20 PM | #16 | |
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Re: Old School vs. New School
i agree the companies need to get better and better. the performance of cars are getting better, but i think the styling isn't as good as old school. new cars are starting to look really tall. i'm not saying that new cars look bad, i am just saying that old school cars look better. ex. 300zx looks better than 350z---rx-7 looks better than rx-8---evo and sti just look to much like a econo-box to me
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05-17-2004, 10:21 PM | #17 | |
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Re: Old School vs. New School
But the new 350Z went to a honda-like high compression n/a motor. I'm also asking how anyone can think that all these new n/a cars can hang w/ TT cars... so what, the new Supra will be a 4.0 n/a I6 making 300HP. Where are you gonna go from there.
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05-17-2004, 10:27 PM | #18 | |
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i can't remember the exact number but i know my 300zx has over 10.0:1 compression. but i think companies are going to higher compression engines because they recognize they can get more horsepower out of it and with the new technologies today, engines are more reliable so they can push the engines more.
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05-18-2004, 04:19 PM | #19 | ||
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05-18-2004, 06:52 PM | #20 | |
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You missed the point, you can't boost an n/a 300HP motor... it makes all that power due to high compression, most likely over 10. In contrast, an FI motor wants to have a Comp Ratio of 8.4, that is the ideal, but close can be good enough. Making power from high compression is the exact opposite of making it from boost. Any of the new High Comp engine would require a rebuild to make them take FI. If we are going into to complete rebuilds we loose the meaningfulness of this comparo because you could rebuild anything to whatever you want, if you have $$$. I'd rather have a RX-7 TT two-seater exotic ANYDAY than a Saturn Door-style BS RX-8.
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05-19-2004, 04:11 AM | #21 | |
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Nacho Nissan, you are completly missing the points here...
You can't just "or even TT" these newer cars. Even when you thorw the boost one, you can ONLY GO LOW BOOST. THEY ARE MADE FOR N/A. This means a HIGH COMPRESSION RATIO. THIS IS BAD FOR FORCED INDUCTION. The motors can't handle much boost without blowing. The POwer numbers you statement as examples are the MAX POWER you MIGHT GET..and for your info, the greddy TT kit for the 350Z ($6000) puts down about 350WHP...and that's about the max you'll safely get out of the 350Z without blowing the motor. Now, that's just bairly the start with a Supra, and it won't cost much to get there to boot...same goes for the RX-7, that's the start of what they can do. The 300ZX can get into the 400HP's easy...again...350HP is the start of what it can do. You are blindly refusing to see that the playing feild isn't balenced, these older TT cars can SIMPLE HANDLE MORE POWER without blowing the motor...PERIOD. The RX-7 was AN EXOTIC CAR BECAUSE THE TUNERS WHO BUILD IT MADE IT THAT WAY....THE RX-8 OWES DRIECT LINIAGE TO THE RX-7...IF YOU TELL MAZDA YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE 2, THEY'LL TELL YOU YOU'RE ON CRACK. The older RX-7's weren't conisdered Exotic, it was the last gen...and that earned the rep because the the people who hard grown to love the old Rotary build some builtiful and powerful turbo'd cars. Also, the RX-7 is part of this dissucssion, read the VERY FIRST POST. It is fully relevent to discuss them in this thread and compare them to others. You must remember what this thread is about. As for the Mach 1, if that's the case, it's a testimest to the tuners skills. I know of several older mustangs that will beat the crap out of almost ANY of the new ones. It's all about the builder, not the age. Any skilled engine builder can take a motor and build it up. But at the limit, I'd feel better with the Older Mach 1...it was more capable of high power...but you want to compare old and new fords...the Old Cobra was massivly detuned from the factory...not much tuning was required to seriously boost the output withouth mods...The new cobra may have power, but if you are seriously tuning and modifying both to the limits, the older one will blow the newer ones doors off...Caroll Shebly new his stuff. Also, if you know anything about FORD's, you'll know the newer Mach 1's can't go more than 80,000 miles before the motot blows on boost (supercharger, turbo, etc)...why...the comperssion is too high...again...this wasn't an issue with the older TT Japanese Big Dogs. Like it or not, the RX-8 was origanally made to be Mazda's RX-7 replacement. There is no New Supra yet, so don't speculate. You are missing the whole point...this thread was about which are better pefromance and mod wise...so the old lady with the N/A Supra is not part of this discussion...or course different people like different cars...but this thread is abotu POWER and PERFORMANCE...do we like the Old School Japanese cars or the new ones...and the fact is, for high power and performance, you can't get the power N/A you can get on Boost...RX-7/RX-8, 300ZX, 350Z, even N/A Supra TT Supra. It holds true...just because it's newer doesn't mean better. |
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05-19-2004, 03:34 PM | #22 | |
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Re: Old School vs. New School
The comment about about the RX-7/RX-8, r u talking to me... I hate the new RX-8, the RX-7 is SOOOOOO much better.
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05-19-2004, 05:28 PM | #23 | ||
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05-19-2004, 10:45 PM | #24 | |
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the RX-7 is more than just looks... being a two-seater makes it a "true" sports car. Also, it is one of the very FEW cars that have a perfect 50/50 weight ratio, making in one of the best handling cars as well... all around this was a PERFORMANCE car only... now it is replaced by a more comfortable alternative.
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05-20-2004, 09:35 PM | #25 | |
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I want to know when in the hell did a group of cars that STAYED IN PRODUCTION 'til the turn of the millenium become old school?
Seriously, come up with a new word. Old school is Mikuni carburettors and ANSA exhausts. Old school is fiberglass being the radical material. Old school is 15inch 3piece Panasports on centre lock wheels wrapped in bias-ply Dunlops. Old school is manual steering, Koni shocks, LEAF SPRINGS, and Old school is wringing the most out of a car while spending the least. It's not ordering parts out of a catalog, it's fabrication, machining, and effort. Old School is a rock solid ride and atrocious wet weather handling. Old school is wicked turbo lag and overrun, and a preference for natural aspiration. No EFI wearing, computer controlled suspension, active aerodynamic, sequential turbocharger, digital dashboard, tunable muffler, all wheel drive, all wheel steering, ABS machine is old school. You want old school? Go SA22C RX-7 shopping, or 240Z, or Toyota Celica Supra. God, kids these days. My car doesn't even have fluid shocks and they're calling 3000GT VR-4's old school.
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05-20-2004, 11:04 PM | #26 | ||
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05-22-2004, 02:13 AM | #27 | |
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sheesh, old people...
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05-22-2004, 07:32 PM | #28 | ||
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Nacho Nissan, I didn't "grasp your point" becuase it keeps changing. First it was New School is better, always. Then it's, well, even trough new school isn't boosted, they are still better, then just add boost!!!! "Maybe even a TT!!" Then it changes to "you can't compare old and new school!!! or..."They are different, 2, 4 doors, etc..no boost, etc." The point is, this thread is "old school vs new school." Buy the very nature of the thread topic...WE ARE SUPPOSED TO COMPARE THEM. Now, why don't I "grasp your point?" It's because you don't have one, your opinion changes with each post, depending on what others have said, disproved and said etc. Your point keeps changing each post based on what others say. Why should I respect and "grasp" a point that flexs like rubber? BTW...Layla's Keeper...I agree with you on the "true" old school japanase cars and the meaning of old school. I wouldn't call a Supra old school just becasue it hasn't been in production for 8 years...the 1st gen RX-7, early Supra's, Corrilla AE86, 240Z...those ARE the true old school cars. All this calling the 93-96 RX-7, the 90-96 300ZX, the last gen Supra...those arn't old school. Those are great cars that were cut from the prodcution line-up. They'll be old school someday, not yet. Heck, the NA Supra motor is still produced and sold new....as a Lexus IS 300 motor...gee....some "old school" when you can go buy a car with the same N/A motor new off a lot today. Just because production ceeses doesn't make it old school. Old school is when it's old enough the technolgy differs significantly, i.e...fuel injection vs carberators, Early Supra Corrillas versus last gen Supras, 1st gen RX-7 vs last gen, etc... |
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05-22-2004, 07:56 PM | #30 | ||
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You consider the late 70s and 80s old school? Nah, mate. Old school is the 60s and 70s! The 80s are best remember as something that didnt happen.
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