wont go into gears at all

[10secturboteg]

the other day i realized that it was hard as hell to get into 1rst an second gear i mean hard as helllll. so i stopped beating on it so much an took it easy then the next day i start my car an it wont let me get into any gears at all. i turned the car off then it let me get into first. i started it in first with the clutch down an it started moving. i need to know what i should check for an what can be the problem. my boy had this problem an it was his master cylinder but i think mine could be deeper than that.

[civickiller]

is it grinding when you try to go into gears

[10secturboteg]

yea it mostly grinds 3 & 4. i think i need a new transmission

[superbluecivicsi]

new tranny.

[Miataracer]

don't be so quick to jump on the new tranny idea. it seems to me that for some reason your clutch is not disengaging. that is going to be a big problem with any manual tranny. what you need to do is start checking it systematically. is your pedal really soft? do you have fluid for in the clutch reservoir? if you get down under the dash on the drivers side and look up above the clutch pedal... is there fluid leaking? how about the slave cylinder on the tranny... is it leaking? all of these things can be checked without taking anything apart.


my guess is for whatever reason pressure is not getting to the clutch release. so of course it will grind going into gear because the clutch is not fully disengaged.


check all that out before throwing money at a new tranny that you probably don't need

[superbluecivicsi]

True.

Not going into gears is due to the clutch disc, pressure plate, release lever and bearing, or the pressure plate to flywheel bolts are loose.

But, problems with gears grinding are due from damaged constant mesh gears, a bent reverse fork, damaged reverse idler gear, idler bushing, damaged gear shafts, worn bearings, or messed up synchros. Am I forgetting anything else?

Anyways a tranny rebuild or swap will be neccessary in this case.

[Miataracer]

still, that is not entirely true. try shifting gear without using the clutch. yes, it will still shift if you throw it into gear at the right rpm, but it will grind. even if everything inside the tranny is fine

[superbluecivicsi]

Originally Posted by superbluecivicsi

True.

Not going into gears is due to the clutch disc, pressure plate, release lever and bearing, or the pressure plate to flywheel bolts are loose.

But, problems with gears grinding are due from damaged constant mesh gears, a bent reverse fork, damaged reverse idler gear, idler bushing, damaged gear shafts, worn bearings, or messed up synchros. Am I forgetting anything else?

Anyways a tranny rebuild or swap will be neccessary in this case.

Why say it is not totally true? The proper to say it, is that, it is not the only cause.

OK OK OK OK. To properly say this, then, these are the more likely COMMON problems to a grinding gear and not going into gear. You are specifying more uncommon simple problems. Most of these problems are not due to a leaking clutch system.

The problem to not having the clutch disengaging is that, driving the clutch without having it disengaging is difficult to do. Also I just had that problem with my civic si a month ago. What happened was that the wire spring in the fork was worn and no good. It did not have enough resistance on it to effectively move about on the ball it was sitting on. The reason why this happened is a long story, but, all I did was replaced the spring with another one. My situation was and should be a very isolated event.

But, just to give you some progress in your problems, heres what I would do to pinpoint the problem:

1. check the entire clutch system (from the pedal all the way to the slave cylinder).
2. If all is fine then pull out the tranny and give the clutch, pressure plate, bearings, fork, flywheel an inspection. Check for good lubrication of the throwout bearing and balls also.
3. If all is fine there, then, you have just pinpointed either to a rebuild of the tranny or getting a new one.

[superbluecivicsi]

PS: If you need a new tranny, I have a b16 S4 hydro tranny w/ 109,000 miles for sale, thats if you need a b series hydro.............$600 picked up. $700 shipped anywhere to anywhere on the US mainland. VIN provided upon request =)

I went with a quaife lsd =)

[Ricochet]

I'm going to have to agree with Miataracer here.. sounds like a clutch problem rather than a tranny, though it could be both. A car should not move forward when in neutral (on level ground), period.

[civickiller]

well park on a very slight hill. put your car in first, push the clutch in and see if the car rolls, because the car should roll with the clutch disengaged if it doesnt then you know its not disengaged

[10secturboteg]

thanks for all the input an stuff. i did check the pedal the cylinder the fluid all that last week. everything straight nothings leaking. my friend sold me a 97 ls tranny for 100 bucks so i jus went ahead an bought that. im thinking about buying a new clutch an flywheel to. im not sure

[Ricochet]

If you're gonna take the time to swap trannies (it can be a real pain in the taint) I'd go ahead and pop in a new clutch/flywheel while you're at it.. if you can afford to.

[10secturboteg]

well i already have an exedy clutch in there it was there when i bought the car but it still snatches. flywheel is stock but i really dont have the money to change everything im gonna do the swap tomorrow morning hopefully everything works out straight

[Ones&zeros]

dude same thing happend to me turns out i needed a new clutch. it wasnt the tranns. one of the springs popped out of the face plate and was jamming the whole thing. i knew this because i would have to drive whithout the clutch. sorry so late.