2003 Cobra Vs. Z06

[bk2kmax]

Originally posted by TcobrA
Old enough to know what it's like to not be able to pick and choose when to pee.........
Wise enough to listen to those who have been through this before me.....
Confident enough to speak my mind..........
Sick of living in a world full of whimps that have been beaten out of their manhood by fat assed liberal women and their weak-minded and souless male counterparts..............
I care not for your feelings. I care not for political correctness......

The scariest thing in all of this is that I have lived long enough to see that Senator McCarthy may have been right... we ARE over run with Communists and Socialists -- we just call them Liberals today.......

McCarthy was a RACIST, BIGOT, KKK Loving Hateful person (not sure if he was even human) anyone who believes in his self-claimed profession word of mouth garbage and hateful anti-semitic remarks is as ignorant and hatefully racist as his bigotted a$$ was.
Just my 02.
However, you do have some valid points of the economic and politically correct climate of today, I'll give you that much but to disguise the racial overtones of McCarthism is to hide behind the same white sheets that the hateful KKK and Hitler based society follows.
That my friend is called hidden racism.

[TcobrA]

The statement "McCarthy may have been right" was rather toungue and cheek. However there are states in this great country that are being run like communist (actually socialist) blocks. I site MA, CA, NY, RI, CT, ME, VT, NJ, and others. Are we then not surrounded?
And, I assure you that you do not have to lecture me on racism. I have seen and felt plenty. My grandmother was a (get this) Italian Jew. Her family escaped as Mesina fell.
Furthermore, try being a fat white guy in the North East these days!

[vortech]

I love it when people bring up the relative who had been a Jewish person who was persecution. What do you know about persecution???? Your grandmother may have known the pain and fear----but you weren't running for dear life like she and millions of other Jews. Its nice to personify the 'fat guy' story----but its a little belitteling to people who actually went through the suffering---to hear from someone who has heard and not lived the persecution. You never will know what it was like to be a Jew in that period of history---nor could you ever imagine too.

[TcobrA]

But,
All of that is not my fault. I may never know, first hand, the fear my grandmother and her family felt, but neither will you. The benefit I have is having known her, having seen the passion with which she told the stories, seeing the thanks in her face that Americans saved her.
We learn from history so that we are not doomed to repeat it. It seems the province of the truly ignorant to point at every informed warning, and well-placed utterance of historical fact as the voice of bigotry. I have seen too much in my life to trust just words. Actions speak louder.

How dare you impugn my motives? Truth be told, the worst bigots of all are those who point and call others bigots. I hold no specific hatred toward any group. However, it is not unreasonable to harbor mistrust toward those whose actions have shown them to be malignant.

As far as being 'the fat white guy" goes, some facts for you:
· In 1979 I took the Massachusetts Civil Servants test. Back then I was a trim white youth. I scored 98 on the written test and passed the physical tests well above standard. I was never called back. That year, 20 non-white men were added to the city's fire department. I doubt they scored better than I did. Not by much, there was not much margin.

· I shrugged that off and struggled through college. I finished my Masters Degree 4 years after my youngest son was born. Through those years my lovely wife and I struggled to feed and cloth our two sons. Uncle Sam didn’t even offer us a loaf of Grade F edible surplus cheese. On the contrary, the 'guvmint' made certain it extracted its pound of flesh from me because Ted Kennedy and the MA liberal democrats said I was rich. That's a laugh. Senator Kennedy, a large pant-load with a head like a dumpster, never worked a day in his life, never had to pay back school loans, and NEVER wasn't rich.

· Today, after many years of hard work, well meaning, finger-pointing ass snipes (like you) force me to pay my fair share, smile when I am shit upon, and to hire incompetent help in the name of Affirmative Action. And you wonder why folks like me are tired of this? Can you be so stupid? Son, study history, and not the brand they feed you in public school.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH, this thread has gone on way too long!

[TcobrA]

You're right! UNCLE!

[vortech]

can I be so stupid? Ass snipe? lol Please, from what you described----it sure sounds like this country has been good to you. You act as if the world is supposed to be fair. The Lord wanted prosperity for all, not inequity as we find in the world today. Let me tell you brother, we were all given the choice to decide how it was to end up . . . not finish up. What you accuse me of is simply silly. Regardless, I hold no ill will to for anyone. As far as the civil service thing, gimme a break----who said that was fair. I work as a civil servant in my state and I'm very thankful for what I have. Not to dwell on this topic too much, I respect your feelings on your situation---but this civil service positions have traditionally outlined through the patronage system. It doesn't work like corporate Amercia---and I'm sure you know that. I really don't think you know what an injustice is??? You can describe and conceal so much with your contradictory sophisticated manner of speaking, but I being from Spain----know that know matter what people bitch about in this country----we do have it good. I weep for those who have no food----or righteous wing to take up their injustices. You don't sound like someone who is bunched together in that category. As for Affirmative Action, its the best thing that could have ever happened to this country. I guess you selectfully choose not to remember the racist origin of the times from the Civil War to the early 80s.----hell to even now! But I guess that happens because I'm such a simpleton and you are such a wordly man. lol. My friend, that you and I don't live in sad countries like Argentina, Somalia, Afghanistan, is without question a blessing from the Lord himself. And if you don't believe that, then you are defintely a God less soul, because the cards could have been dealt differently. Count your blessings, and don't take things for granted----because you sure sound more and more-----like you have such entitlement to more than those who suffer some of the worst calamities in this world.

[StangMan]

I'm sorry, I must be on the wrong forum, I thought this was about the new chevy ass kicking 03 Cobra. I did enjoy reading the debate, but I visit this site to relax and talk about cars, not politics.:sun:

[vortech]

03 cobra kicks even a Vipers ass if the blower is fully tuned. Otherwise, its still chasing a stock Z06.

[StangMan]

:bathroom: The numbers I have seen puts the cobra ahead of the Z06 by a few tenths. By any standard it definitly does not chase after it, if any thing the Z06 is running scared, it sees defeat on its ass.

I like the 03 Cobra better than any opponent, because it was built and designed for the average Joe. The Vette may have better suspension, and be more of a track car, but not every one drives on a track, or can afford the cost. Ford made a bad ass car for almost half the price. What do you see more: Mustangs or Vettes? Old men drive Vettes because they are the only one that can afford to buy them (new corvettes). I would love to own a new corvette, but if I am paying for it, then it will be a Mustang.






Don't play leap frog with a unicorn.

[vortech]

the bargain basement price for the current Cobra. When Cobra owners start to expose the tremendous power hidden in the Eaton blower with simple tweaks like a pulley & chip----this car will drive the price up. Sadly, I think Ford will be ballooning up the price on the Cobra within the next 2-3 years. Especially when the new 5.0 goes into it-----forget it------Ford, having its financial woes----is setting the stage for a monster price hike in the Cobra---once the new design hits the street. I'm sure the Cobra will be in the $45-$50k range within less than 4 years.

[hammong]

The thing that the Cobra lacks is exclusivity. You're paying big money for the Z-06 because it's a Corvette, and there aren't a whole lot of them on the streets. Ditto for Vipers - you can build a Cobra to be faster than a Viper, but all you end up with is a modified Cobra.

I love my new (used) '00 Mustang GT, and for me it was a decision of performance vs. economy, and THAT'S IT. I can modify my car to suit my taste, supercharge it, upgrade the suspension, and still be under 2/3 of the price of a new Cobra with comparable (or above) performance. Should I go making comparisons? Why bother?

These discussions get me so worked up.

Greg

[vortech]

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...02z06prod.html
There were 8,297 Z06s sold in 2002. There were under 8,500 2003 Cobras sold this year---and this model year run is now over. You are so right genius---the Z06 is so much more exclusive than a Cobra----about 250 or so more than a Cobra. Right, genius. Next time you may want to research production totals before you swallow both feet. And GT dude---2/3 the price of a modified Cobra???? A GT at $28K and a coupe snake at $35K??? hwo can you modify a Gt to handle and perform as well as a cobra----AT 2/3s THE PRICE???????? I guess you are using advanced math here. Please, by all means humor me on this one.

[vortech]

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/roadt...3/article.html
No more than 1,500 2003 Vipers built. I think thats a little more exclusive than 8,297 Z06s or under 8,500 Cobras. But I'm sure that I'm wrong about that too.

[vortech]

"you can build a Cobra to be faster than a Viper, but all you end up with is a modified Cobra. "----- Maybe you don't know what contradictions are----but I know that a modified Cobra----can be equal to a monster performance car. You sure as hell aren't going to get monster performance from the 4.6L that mustang GT uses----thats for sure.