Bad new for all you "american import" haters

[LjasonL]

im sure its fast and all, but cmon, 205hp out of a turbo 2.4liter... that sucks. mitsubishi and dodge were getting 210hp out of a turbo 2.0 in the previous generation eclipse and talon turbos. you would think they would have made some developments in the last 8-10 years. but this car makes it look like theyre going downhill, now theyre getting less power out of a larger motor. somethings not right about that...

[D16 V-TEC]

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
im sure its fast and all, but cmon, 205hp out of a turbo 2.4liter... that sucks. mitsubishi and dodge were getting 210hp out of a turbo 2.0 in the previous generation eclipse and talon turbos. you would think they would have made some developments in the last 8-10 years. but this car makes it look like theyre going downhill, now theyre getting less power out of a larger motor. somethings not right about that...

Thats what I thought when I first heard about it also. Plus Chrysler/Dodge wont be able to compete with the high quality long lasting cars that the Japan companies put out, mainly Honda and Nissan, even Subaru.

[igor@af]

I am a fan of Japanese cars myself, and not too fond of American manufacturers... BUT you guys are just way too biased

The fact that Talon had 210 out of a 2.0 liter doesn't mean ANYTHING whatsoever....

The new Q45 has 340hp out of 4.5 liters, LS430 only gets 290 out of 4.3 liters [wow, Lexus is behind.. ] and guess which car has a faster acceleration.

It is not just about the 3-digit HP figure, the torque plays a HUGE part in all of this, and don't forget the occurring RPMs.

If the claimed acceleration of 5.9 seconds is true, then I am very confident that this new car will scare the current sub-compact manufacturers such as Honda.

[91civicDXdude]

chrysler and mitsubishi have been together for years. does anybody remember the Plymouth Arrow.... 2.6L 4 cylinder rear wheel drive hatch back... well it was made in 78 hehe

[CustomWhips]

interesting:huh:

[1989CivicSi]

well check this out, put a turbo on the gsr oh wait..... wheres the turbo neon? oh i lost it back there


i went racing sat. night and i saw a subura wrx (sorry about the spelling if its wrong) with a bo valve, boost controller, and a exhaust vs a honda s2000 wiht just an air intake. Of course the Subaru beat it b/c it is awd and also it is turbo. Just imagine if the S2000 was awd and turbo, the subura wouldnt even be nothing compared to the s2000 (i love subura's im not hating )

compare turbo cars to turbo cars
and naturallyaspirated cars to naturally asprated cars

please dont flame me now

[unconvinced]

If an S2000 had AWD, it wouldn't be an S2000.

But anyway, this whole thread supports the theory that horsepower sells cars, and torque accelerates them. (And we all know that acceleration wins races.)

Take that as you will.

SS

[LjasonL]

Originally posted by 1989CivicSi
compare turbo cars to turbo cars
and naturallyaspirated cars to naturally asprated cars

please dont flame me now

nah i dont agree with that. turbo or not, the s2000 still has more power and is faster than a stock wrx. the wrx is just easier to get extra power out of cuz its factory turbo and low compression.

[pifhluk23]

good 0-60 even though I dont believe it, but whats the 1/4mile time.

[gavs31]

I'll have to admit that while I am a fan of Chrysler, this thing does seem to take some styling cues from a Subaru maybe. Or is it just me.

[LjasonL]

did you guys see the test of the thing in the new SCC? it may be rated at 215hp and 245 lb-ft of torque at the flywheel, but when they put it on a dyno, i made 223hp and 250 lb-ft of torque TO THE WHEELS! they ran a 5.8 0-60 and a 14.2@99.5 mph in it

rumor has it that the tester is a "ringer" dodge is sending around, and actually has a more aggressive computer program than the production car will have. but even so, take a production model, put an aftermarket chip in it and a good pair of slicks, and youve very possibly got a 13 second neon

[LjasonL]

so i take back all the bad things i said about it

another rumor says that if sales are good enough, theyre considering putting the same engine in a lightweight, 2-seater, RWD platform, with possibly a 6 speed. and that will sell for under $20,000 too!

damn, when did dodge become cool?

[allmotorb16a]

i hope lillhondacoupe buys one of these import fighters!!
turbo 205hp wow
that doesnt impress me
when any domestic car company can come close
to producing a 240 hp naturally aspirated engine
with only 2.0liters then ill be impressed.
anyways why do you even compare a gsr specs to a turbo
2.4L vs 1.8L ok joe dirt calm down and go out and put your name on
the list buddy peace.

[LjasonL]

Originally posted by allmotorb16a
turbo 205hp wow
that doesnt impress me
when any domestic car company can come close
to producing a 240 hp naturally aspirated engine
with only 2.0liters then ill be impressed.

okay, now go try to make any more power out of that 240hp 2.0... you cant, not without spending serious cash. you boys who brag about your high specific outputs dont realize thats what makes it so hard for you to get any more power out of the car. The things are so highly strung and wrung out from the factory, anything you do is only gonna give very minor gains. so you sink $5,000 into your s2000, and ill throw $2000 into my turbo neon. boy youre gonna feel stupid when i beat you. i hope it makes you feel better that you had a higher stock specific output.

just like when the honda guys talk about the wrx, saying "it only makes 227 hp out of a turbo 2.0, the rsx makes 200hp out of an N/A 2.0". well know what, sink another $1000 into that 200hp rsx, youre only gonna get another 20 hp MAYBE. throw $1000 into the wrx, youve got a 300hp car.

Originally posted by allmotorb16a
anyways why do you even compare a gsr specs to a turbo
2.4L vs 1.8L ok joe dirt calm down and go out and put your name on
the list buddy peace.

no problem, you can be a typical honda boy and stick with your brand cuz its got a high hp/liter, and ill be joe dirt and "put my name on the list" for the fast car. see your si/gsr/type-s at the end of the track, i'll be waiting. oh that goes for any track, not just straight line.

[relientokay]

i hate to admit it the srt4 is fast. But damn its a new so its slow as hell BURN MOPAR BUUUUUUUUUURN!!!! :flamer:mopar



the wrx is a million times better long live wrx!!