Grand am VS Neon?????

['00' GTP]

I think that Dodge boy smoked too much CRACK

I used to race a guy in a 2000 Neon 5 speed when I had a 91 POS Taurus V6 and he was eating my dust every day. we raced every day from one school to the other he probobly won 1 out of 15 races.let me tell you at the time my mom had a 2000 Grand Am SE and it would have ate my taurus for breakfast.

just my $.02

to 95GrandAm
my stock GTP runs mid 14's all stock.

[Scott 02]

I think that Dodge boy smoked too much CRACK

good call '00' GTP.

hey scott, whats your gtp run? ive heard with a smaller pulley and your kinds of mods you can be in the low 13's, if not 12's.

I don't have the pulley or nose drive mod. yet. i should have it because it is pretty cheap. Also i have not done my car in the quarter mile yet. I am planning on doin it real soon. From the mods i have now, i think i'm pushing 255-265HP. I'm going to wait and get my MSD Spark Plug wires and computer chip, and new front tires before i go to the strip.

[GA LOVER]

I believe the original question was " who would win, a NEON or a GRAND AM"
First of all, I don't think it was ever clear what year the cars were, so lets say 2003's
A 2003 GRAND AM SE. 2.2 L ECOTEC engine 140 horses
A 2003 NEON base model 2.2 L something-or-rather engine. I think 115-130 horses

I think the NEON would start off okay, but with the torque on the GRAND AM, it would kick the NEON's ass.

A 2003 GRAND AM GT 3400 V6 engine 170 horses
A 2003 NEON SRT 2.4 L DOHC engine 215 horses, 250 ft lbs. of torque

This NEON, although I hate to admit it, would smoke the GRAND AM, but, it isn't nearly as cool.

[1995grandam]

woah... im pretty sure we werent talking about the srt-4. lol... way out of a grand ams league. 215 (way underrated) hp. no contest...

[NeonRT99]

I know everyone on here is going to argue till they're blue in the face because it IS the Grand Am forum... But seriously... do some research on 95->99 neons. NOT the new 2000 and up ones.

I totally agree with you that if you race the newer neons (not the srt4) that you will spank them as well. They are much heavier than the first gen and actually have a little less power as well.

Also, remember that there are TWO powerplants for the Neon. 85% of the ones you see on the street are the SOHC ones rated at 132hp. The DOHC comes in at 150hp. 150hp pushing a 2500 lb car isn't slow... The NEW 2000 and up models are virtually ALL 132hp except for the ACR and R/T's (150hp) which are VERY rare. And the new models weigh upwards of 2900 lbs.

And in case you guys would really like to see my car and time slips here it is. http://www.neonwerx.com/ksia

I'm the president of the Neon club here in Hawaii. I bought the car for $9000 and the used Hahn racecraft stage III turbo kit cost me $2350. The rest of my mods about $3000, not counting labor of course

My STOCK '97 ACR ran a 15.4 a couple months ago Bought that for $2300 and has 104,000 miles on the odometer.

[NeonRT99]

Originally posted by GA LOVER
I believe the original question was " who would win, a NEON or a GRAND AM"
First of all, I don't think it was ever clear what year the cars were, so lets say 2003's
A 2003 GRAND AM SE. 2.2 L ECOTEC engine 140 horses
A 2003 NEON base model 2.2 L something-or-rather engine. I think 115-130 horses

I think the NEON would start off okay, but with the torque on the GRAND AM, it would kick the NEON's ass.

A 2003 GRAND AM GT 3400 V6 engine 170 horses
A 2003 NEON SRT 2.4 L DOHC engine 215 horses, 250 ft lbs. of torque

This NEON, although I hate to admit it, would smoke the GRAND AM, but, it isn't nearly as cool.

a 2003 base model Neon (2.0 liter) would probably lose to the 2003 grand am. They only have 132hp and probably weigh more.

How much does a new Grand Am cost? Just curious. The SRT's are $19,995. Base models are around $11,000

[NeonRT99]

oh, and i guess i wont just stop there. but ive raced a couple of neons. and both i raped up the ass. and guess what i have? and my car is only a low 16 second car. and yes one was a 5 speed, and i still beat him by a good 4 car lengths.

Like I said, the new neons are 450-500 lbs heavier than the old ones and 90% have the 132hp engine, not the 150hp one. I beat new Neons all the time as well, in my stock 97 dohc ACR and by more than 4 car lengths. The new 132 hp 5 speed Neons clock high 16's to low 17's.

simple math eh? i mustve missed where you put the specs for the grand am to do the math with. so i will be kind enough to post them for ya. 96 3.1 v6 grand am = 160 horsepower, 185 lb/torque, and weighs in around 2800. have fun with your math.

95-99 Neons weigh 2450-2550 lbs and DOHC ones have 150hp and 133 tq.

Using the numbers you quoted, it comes out to 0.0571 hp per lb for the Grand Am.
And in the case of my stock ACR, it comes out to 0.0612 hp per lb. I just did the math you try.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT MAN... that is total bs. a mid 12 second neon... thats fucking rich man, unless you have spent a fucking shitload of money on that car, theres no way its runnin 12's. i would give you a high 14 at the least. ....mid 12's....

Check my post 2 posts above this one

['00' GTP]

Personally I would say that $5300 is a lot of money on mods.

personally I would have taken the $14500 you spent on a Peon and spent it on a Mustang Cobra. you are about as fast as you can go with a neon, and you would just be starting on a Cobra.

I bought my GTP for $11,500, stock ran 14.5, I have spent about $100 and haven't been to the track since, but I can tell a noticeable difference. if I put $3000 in it, I would bet that I would be mid 12's and alot more room to grow.

jm$.02

[NeonRT99]

Cool Definitely a good deal

[1995grandam]

Like I said, the new neons are 450-500 lbs heavier than the old ones and 90% have the 132hp engine, not the 150hp one. I beat new Neons all the time as well, in my stock 97 dohc ACR and by more than 4 car lengths. The new 132 hp 5 speed Neons clock high 16's to low 17's.

who said i was racing new ones?

Using the numbers you quoted, it comes out to 0.0571 hp per lb for the Grand Am.
And in the case of my stock ACR, it comes out to 0.0612 hp per lb. I just did the math you try.

lol, and how about you try doing the math for the torque, eh?

oh, and the first time you posted you said your acr ran a 15.8, then you said it ran a 15.4... crazy stuff...

and a '97 acr which clocked 15.8 STOCK

My STOCK '97 ACR ran a 15.4 a couple months ago Bought that for $2300 and has 104,000 miles on the odometer.

['00' GTP]

sounds like someone has been way too much

[NeonRT99]

*sigh* Here goes... Torque gets a car up and running and isn't as important on light cars. Ever notice why honda civic si's can clock 15.4-15.6 with 160 hp and 111 tq??

But seriously next time u race a neon, ask em to check under the hood. chances are its the sohc powerplant.

i ran 15.8 with street tires. I ran 15.4 with slicks. Sorry for the mixup.

[1995grandam]

*sigh* Here goes... Torque gets a car up and running and isn't as important on light cars. Ever notice why honda civic si's can clock 15.4-15.6 with 160 hp and 111 tq??

one of the dumbest things ive ever heards. ever notice that stock si's dont clock 15.4-15.6?

But seriously next time u race a neon, ask em to check under the hood. chances are its the sohc powerplant.

i try to avoid associating myself with ricers.

i ran 15.8 with street tires. I ran 15.4 with slicks. Sorry for the mixup.

ohh, ok, now i believe ya man.

[NeonRT99]

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one of the dumbest things ive ever heards. ever notice that stock si's dont clock 15.4-15.6?
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You're right... 15.7 @ 90.4 -> http://web.radiant.net/kms/specs.html

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i try to avoid associating myself with ricers.
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Stock Neons aren't rice.

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ohh, ok, now i believe ya man.
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Don't know why it's so hard to believe. Like I said, do some research before bashing other cars. I researched your car and I'm not bashing the grand am at all.

[1995grandam]

im only gonna respond to

Stock Neons aren't rice

if people are tryin to race them, then theyre ricers, car may not be, but the person is.