I've made my decision on engine

[Gatorac]

the industructium made me chuckle out loud on the elevator

Better then being made of Unobtanium. That stuffs impossible to get, even if you happen to have enough money.

[Paul Buxe]

Kel: thanks for the thoughts.
Devin: so how did you sell the wife on the dry sump? I will need some help there.
Jim: We have used the term "Unobtanium" for 40 years at Pratt Whitney as that special material that would solve every problem, but when I heard Unobtanium in the Avatar movie as the material they were mining I couldn't keep from laughing. Of course no one else in the movie thought that was funny, and they sort of looked at me strange.

So the real question is how to get a low cost dry sump. Off to find out.

[Cobra4B]

LOL I'm in agreement w/ Jim on this one...

[Cobra4B]

LOL I'm in agreement w/ Jim on this one...

[Gatorac]

So the real question is how to get a low cost dry sump. Off to find out.

There's a real slick LS dry sump set up that has the pump mounted right to the pan. All of the pan scavange lines are machined into the pan. This avoids the problems and expense of a mount and scavenge lines in one solution.

[Paul Buxe]

Jim, your are killing me, so who is the supplier, I'm diying to know, so I can see how much begging I'm going to have to do with the wife.

[Paul Buxe]

I just stopped by Total Engine Concepts here in town, he is a complete engine developing, building, and machining facility located in Riviera Beach, Florida. Specializing in both domestic and foreign engines including the GM GEN III for road race, circle track, and drag race applications,we are equipped to deliver. His engines have won races including the prestigious 24 Hours of Daytona to local circle track races in your area. He is the custom engine supplier for the Mosler MT900 in both the US and Europe. With over 45 years of performance engine building experience, his staff can develop your engine program or rebuild your current race engine. Our DTS engine dyno facility can can handle 1500 ft/lbs of torque and 2000 horse power, both fuel injected and carbureted.
Anyway, his suggestion was to run, not walk to Aviaid and get the LS-C dry sump and put all the worries about oil starvation behind us. The LS-C package is $2700.
So I guess i need to save my $$'s or sell a kidney. Anybody need one, I guess we have 2, so maybe I could let one go for say $2700, plus shipping and handling.

[NZGTRA17]

Originally Posted by Paul Buxe

Jim, your are killing me, so who is the supplier, I'm diying to know, so I can see how much begging I'm going to have to do with the wife.

Paul / Devin, I have been down this track with a previous car/engine. If I were in your shoes (possible oiling issue and on a budget) I would fit a reputable large capacity road race pan to the engine (Canton or similiar) that has 4 way baffles with gates, -12 breather lines off the valve covers to a 2 liter catch can, ensure there is some form of restrictor in the oiling to the top end, perhaps fit oil drain lines to the rocker covers and an accusump. Definitely fit a low pressure switch that activates a very bright and obvious light in front of the driver that warns when oil pressure drops below 30psi. It is also useful to have an oil pressure gauge that you can watch as you test. When I had problems with wet sump the oil pressure would drop away from 70psi to 0 as engine rpm increased above 6400 - 7200. I had done all of the mods above and had to fit a dry sump. Bingo problem solved and more hp. Wasted months trying to resolve with wet sump and quite a few $$.

Then you need to do some dedicated testing (NOT racing) with the car to ensure that you have a good set up. This system may be OK and will probably cost say 30 - 40% of a dry sump by the time you plumb it up.

If you still have to go to a dry sump then you have spent some additional money on the pan and valve cover drain backs. The rest of the work would have needed to be done with a dry sump anyway.

Devin, Jim is quite correct. A dry sump is the solution. You will note that full on dry sumps have 5 or 6 pump sections or stages. 4/5 of these are for scavenging from valley, pan and wherever else the particular engine needs scavenging from. This is not a band aid but a reality of what is required to survive 7000+rpm and high G loads.

Not all engines are born equal when it comes to oiling and any engine that has a long stroke is way more inclined to have oiling problems due to additional windage.

Kel.

[NZGTRA17]

Originally Posted by Paul Buxe

I just stopped by Total Engine Concepts here in town, he is a complete engine developing, building, and machining facility located in Riviera Beach, Florida. Specializing in both domestic and foreign engines including the GM GEN III for road race, circle track, and drag race applications,we are equipped to deliver. His engines have won races including the prestigious 24 Hours of Daytona to local circle track races in your area. He is the custom engine supplier for the Mosler MT900 in both the US and Europe. With over 45 years of performance engine building experience, his staff can develop your engine program or rebuild your current race engine. Our DTS engine dyno facility can can handle 1500 ft/lbs of torque and 2000 horse power, both fuel injected and carbureted.
Anyway, his suggestion was to run, not walk to Aviaid and get the LS-C dry sump and put all the worries about oil starvation behind us. The LS-C package is $2700.
So I guess i need to save my $$'s or sell a kidney. Anybody need one, I guess we have 2, so maybe I could let one go for say $2700, plus shipping and handling.

At $2,700 (assuming this is a complete system), dont waste your time with trying to make a wet sump work. Bite the bullet and go dry sump from day 1.

I like the run bit.............he has obviously seen LS devastation is action before. Damn, reminds me of all the bad habits of my last GM race car :-)

[panozracing]

Mike K. at TEC (Total Engine Concepts) is the guy I have been SCREAMING ABOUT SINCE DAY 1 on this forum. I am so glad you went to talk to him! He is an old school Trans-Am road racer too.

He built our motors... He is AWESOME. Do everything he says. He is coming to the track on Sat. to do a check up tune on my carb for me (about the 3rd track visit to help and even a visit to my garage once). 2+ years after I bought 2 motors and he is still supporting us. One time we were pressed for pulling and engine and he took care of it for us.

He is honest and knows his stuff. 561.842.2813

I have said this before. Buy all your car parts from PAD and chevy or ford engine parts from Mike at TEC.

[Paul Buxe]

I wasn't sure how Mike would react, I showed up just looking for free advice and he was as nice and as informative as possible. He was busy building and engine and taking two phone calls, but he took the time to give me a bunch of free advice and was very nice about it. I liked him.

[Panoz26]

Originally Posted by Paul Buxe

I wasn't sure how Mike would react, I showed up just looking for free advice and he was as nice and as informative as possible. He was busy building and engine and taking two phone calls, but he took the time to give me a bunch of free advice and was very nice about it. I liked him.

See, told you the AviAid was the ticket.....
Devin

[Paul Buxe]

So Devin, how did you sell this $$$ to the wife? I need some help here.
Paul

[Panoz26]

Originally Posted by Paul Buxe

So Devin, how did you sell this $$$ to the wife? I need some help here.
Paul

Paul, the cool thing about my wife, is she understands. We sat down and discussed the investment in the new engine and what it's going to take to protect it from the incident we had in January. Good honest discussion usually leads to good results.

All I can say is be gentle yet firm and explain to her in a way that she will understand. Honestly the cost of the Aviaid system is inexpensive when comparing to yet another engine and time away from the family for rebuilding....

I think after she saw the engine today, all shiny and new, she is leaning for me to purchase the dry sump now vs my initial tact of using the Accusump during the initial break in period...so, I may just do this all at once and be done -- which, is the route I prefer.

Good Luck - maybe our next trip to South Florida, we can introduce our wives and let them discuss this habit of ours...
> Devin <

[gamacdon]

wow, you had me going there for a minute. i tell my wife tires cost $25 ea, brakes $30 and a new engine runs around $450. this seems to work just fine.