Gsr Vs Z24

[chad174]

ok, well..it seems like not many of you know much about cavaliers. i do, because i used to own one. there are guys that have z24s that run 12s with turbo and nitrous. i turbocharged mine and blew the 2.2 wide open. shattered 3 pistons at 9 psi...and i was smoking every honda i raced. i kept up with my buddy steve, who has a crx with b20z swap and he runs a 14.6. now, as for the z24 motors, thats a good motor. it has way more low end torque than most honda engines. that z24 probably will pull on you for a second at the start, then you'll take him. also, the quad 4 motor you guys are referring to is called the w41. it was made for oldsmobile by general motors. it made 195 horses STOCK. either way, i think you'll beat him, but you guys should give the american cars credit where they deserve it. the cavaliers arent bad cars, there's just too many guys that have them that think they're tight cuz they got a cavy. i didn't, i never riced mine out, i just made it fast. there's some guys that have KILLER cavaliers that would embarass most of the turbo civics and tegs on this board. and, the cavalier isn't that heavy. they weigh about 2650 without a driver. sorry for the long post, but you guys should know what you're talking about before you try to talk about it.

[kidrocket]

you raced slow hondas if 14.6 was the best honda run you had, and you only"kept up"

[chad174]

yeah, i live in ANCHORAGE, ALASKA. a 14.6 honda up here is fast. fast honda cars aren't common. i beat most of the civics i raced before i turbocharged my car, when all i had was a crank pulley, intake, and exhaust. and my point was not how fast my car was, but that the z24 should be respected in its own right. its pretty damn cheap for how quick they are.

[kidrocket]

I agree. A lot of people dick on Jbodys, but ive seen some running low 15s with minor boltons. Ive even seen a sunfire with a grand prix motor swapped in

[chad174]

yeah, there's a guy who has a supercharged v6 out of a grand prix in his cavalier. he ran a 14 flat, on street tires with major traction problems. there's a guy with a turboed and juiced w41 cavalier that runs a 12.7, and he hasn't got his shit tuned yet. this other guy i know karo, is building his engine right now, he's going to run 26 psi on a 2.4 quad, and he's expecting to run 11's and eventually 10s. so there are somr eally dedicated j-body owners out there, with some seriously fast cars. my car was going to be one of them, until i got pulled over with 3/4 pound of dope in my car and had to get a $$$$$ lawyer. damn cops.

[chad174]

oh yeah, here's the site of the guy with the grand prix motor, for all you haters and non-believers.

http://z24sc.8m.com/

[THE4TH]

yeah i used to have a 95 gsr with an intake. and a buddy of mine had a z24, and i would toss him around like a bag of kittens all day long..
don't even bother.. not till he loses 800lbs or so ..

[chad174]

don't bother with him until he loses 800 lbs? if he lost 800 lbs, he would smoke GSR's all day long. and how would you plan on losing 800 lbs in a cavalier? you could totally strip the interior and still only lose about 400 lbs. they aren't that heavy, and they aren't that much slower than a GSR. Especially if they've got a good driver behind the wheel. But i do think that GSR's are better cars. Better built, easier to work on, way more aftermarket support.

[THE4TH]

how about this... tune em all up.. none of this sc, turbo, liquid hp.. just straight engine mods.. and go from there.. real cars.. i'll take the gsr anyday... and my point about the weight is exactly what you think ..
if you lost 800lbs you would take a gsr, but you can't...

[TerminalVelocity]

just take out

1engine
2seats
3transsmiton

[kidrocket]

what are the torque numbers for type Rs?

[THE4TH]

lol.....

[chad174]

hey the4th...i dont know if you know this, but the 2.3 and 2.4 gm engines are race-designed. a completely built n/a 2.4 can make way more power than a built n/a gsr motor. it's got .6 liters more displacement. even with 4 bangers, there is no replacement for displacement if they're not turbo cars. the 2.4 would be faster.

[TRDcavalier__O]

I have a Z24 and you guys are all way off. Heres the way the car is set up and built. Base model is shit with a 2.2 Ohv or something. it has 115 hp and is worthless. This motor is found in all 3rd gen base cavaliers. Now Z24's from 96-02 come with a 2.4 liter dohc motor that red lines at about 5700. With a 5 speed getrag transsmission these cars run 15.7 in the quarter stock. I have a 2000 Z24 5 speed and yes it is poorly designed to compete in the import sport compact market, but many improvements are being made by general motors to begin competeing. There is now an after market blower that can be purchased with the car, and with the car it with run 14.7 with just the blower. I have i few mods and i'm running low 15's. My mods are only a cheap intake, 62mmTB, and exhaust. Now to cut to the chase and let you know how a race between a GSR and a Z24 would be. I raced a Moded up GSR:quafe LSD/AEM intake/NI cat back/ and short shifter. He beets me by a car length and he has a way bigger advantage with an lsd and real good bridgestone tires. So i'd say with a stock or slightly moded GSR is should be close. Oh and a word of advice Z24's are real good off the line do to the whole low end torque thing. Most honda guys i race ask me if i spray off the line. I think Vtec is a very unbeatable invention. But don't get cocky with it. Oh and as for the Z24 being heavy, its not. It weights 2645 lbs. and most serious street racers gut the interior before going out. Having knowledge of the enemy makes you a better opponent.....

[TRDcavalier__O]

Ok 800lbs? hello a gsr weighs about 2600 add 800= 3400 lol the cavalier is not a full size family car!!!! you idiots the 4 door sedan Z24 made only the early part of 02 ran 15.8 and thats the heavest it can get boys. from car parts.com:

2000 Acura Integra R

Engine: 1.8-liter, four-cylinder, 195 hp.

Transmission: Five-speed manual, front-wheel drive

Safety: Dual airbags, four- wheel antilock disc brakes

Place of Assembly: Japan

Weight: 2,639 pounds

and thats the type R i bet the GSR is heavier. so Z24 and a Gsr are about the same weight. well no use talkin about it go race a z24 and find out.


p.s. there are such things as shitty drivers too i garrantee you won't be beeting my Z