power : capacity ratio TOP 10

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by V8slayer

Another fact I noticed about the list is that only two car companies, Ferrarri and BMW account for seven of ten cars.

You left out the 911 GT3 - 104bhp/L

[YukiHime]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

well I'm not sure what the link contains since I do not know japanese but the 1.3L designation is incorrect for sure. It is trully a 2.6L engine.

beside the "International Engine of the Year 2003" it also won the "Best New Engine of 2003" and "Best 2.5-liter to 3.0-liter."

so its clear that among engineers its considered a 2.6L

I guess you can read there is a line says cc...Which means Displacement.
it says 654 x 2

[Type_Race]

What about the Integra Type-R(DC2 and DC5)? One is 195hp/1.8L the other is 220hp/2.0L.

[aznxthuggie]

yup the rx8 is 1.3 not 2.6 because each rotor has like .654 liter or something it even says on the link so stop trying to make yourself sound correct

[crayzayjay]

Why dont you idiots read up about rotaries and how you measure their displacement before telling someone else he's wrong?

[Neutrino]

Oh for crying out loud stop believing in PR claims. Mazda tries to advertise it as a 1.3 to amaze everyone how much power they can get from such a small displacement

But in truth it is a 2.6 liter engine. what do you guys think that all the engineers that placed it in the 2.5 to 3L category were stupid when it won "Best 2.5-liter to 3.0-liter."

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.c...natomy101.html

A basic 13B (1.3 liter) engine is approximately the size of a beer keg and can be lifted by one fit person. At the same time, it has a volumetric capacity twice that of a conventional piston engine of identical rated displacement.

And Jay you are right that new GT3 is just insane. And an amazing performance bairgain (if you're rich that is)

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

And Jay you are right that new GT3 is just insane. And an amazing performance bairgain (if you're rich that is)

Why do you think i work so hard?

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by crayzayjay

Why do you think i work so hard?

Just join MI-6 from what i hear they just give away Astons and the ocasional Lotus or BMW. Fully loaded i might add.

[YukiHime]

Civic Type-R 2.0L = 215hp
1L = 107.5hp
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/c...ata/index.html

Accord Euro-R 2.0L = 220hp
1L = 110hp
http://www.honda.co.jp/auto-lineup/a...ata/index.html

Both better than 7-10th rank

[YukiHime]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Oh for crying out loud stop believing in PR claims. Mazda tries to advertise it as a 1.3 to amaze everyone how much power they can get from such a small displacement

But in truth it is a 2.6 liter engine. what do you guys think that all the engineers that placed it in the 2.5 to 3L category were stupid when it won "Best 2.5-liter to 3.0-liter."

http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.c...natomy101.html



And Jay you are right that new GT3 is just insane. And an amazing performance bairgain (if you're rich that is)

It says how it works will be talk about in the following link...
http://www.rotaryengineillustrated.com/RE101.html
But, it's under construction...
Well, I'm not trying to say you are wrong, but you know, if you are trying to proof us something, it got to be able to see...

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by YukiHime

Well, I'm not trying to say you are wrong, but you know, if you are trying to proof us something, it got to be able to see...

Are you kidding me.


You have to be able to see what? the two facts that I posted evidence that the rx8 engine is in fact 2.6


lets review the facts:

1. It won best engine of the year in the 2.5-liter to 3.0-liter category
2. As i quoted (using bolds I might add) from the rotary ilustrated site is has "a volumetric capacity twice that of a conventional piston engine of identical rated displacement."....read TWICE

here are some more details:

"First things first. the new renesis engine in the rx8 is a 2.6L. the older versions of the 13b were 2.6L to. the 12A in the 1st gen rx7 was a 2.3L and the three-rotor 20b is a monstrous 3.9l. if you've been told a 13b was 1.3l, you've been lied to.

on a four stroke there's only one intake stroke for every two revolutions, so from a breathing standpoint, displacement is how much combustion chamber volume gets sucked in over two revolutions. for a rotary, with one intake stroke per revolution, that means measuring two combustion chambers per rotor, not one, like mazda says. each chamber in a 13b displaces 654cc, so by mazda's two-stroke method, a 13b is 1308cc. by my four stroke, its a 2616cc"

And if this is not enough read Coleman's who is engineering editor for SCC take on the rotary.

Ok i fould some extracts out of that article:

"first, its not a 2-stroke engine, it has separate intake, compression, power, and exhaust strokes. second, this is a four-stroke world. all the engine's ancillaries--air-flow meters, exhausts, turbochargers, fuel injectors, and such--are all shared with four-stroke engine. functionally, displacement isnt some arcane measurement of internal dimensions, its a measure of how much air the engine breathes, and a guide to sizing these ancillary parts."

So aznthugie you should give Coleman a call telling him how to measure displacement

[YukiHime]

I still don't understand how to measure it. And don't need to be like so mad because I'm too dumb.

[Twyzz]

dont quote me on this cause i read it in the summary of the s2000 in gran turismo 2, but there's a United States law saying a n/a car can't have more thna 120hp a liter

[V8slayer]

The new list is as follows.

(bhp/L)
01. Honda s2000 120.2
02. Ferrari 360 CS 118.5
03. McLaren F1 LM 112.1
04. BMW M3 CSL 110.9
05. Ferrari Enzo 110
06. TVR Tuscan R 107.1
07 Porsche Carrera GT 106.8
08. Porsche 911 GT3 105.8
09. Lotus Exige 105.2
10. TVR Speed 12 103.5



I couldn't find the numbers for the new type R and euro R.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by YukiHime

I still don't understand how to measure it. And don't need to be like so mad because I'm too dumb.

I was not so mad as much as a bit irritated especially by aznthuggie. He does seem to like to correct people whithout even bothering to do some reseach firts.

His attitude is getting quite bothersome. His comments about the superchargers in another thread are again another axample of his knowledge vs his attitude.