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View Poll Results: favorite luxury SUV | |||
lexus rx300 | 3 | 5.66% | |
bmw x5 | 21 | 39.62% | |
acura mdx | 3 | 5.66% | |
infiniti qx4 | 3 | 5.66% | |
mercedes G500 | 0 | 0% | |
lincoln navigator | 1 | 1.89% | |
cadillac escalade | 14 | 26.42% | |
range rover | 5 | 9.43% | |
land rover discovery | 0 | 0% | |
lexus LX470 | 3 | 5.66% | |
Porsche Cayenne | 0 | 0% | |
Jeep Grand Cherokee | 0 | 0% | |
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll |
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01-22-2003, 09:47 AM | #76 | |
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WakkaWu You don't know what you're writing. Jimmy said well.
A Vectra is much better than your poor Malibu, and the Vectra is although far to be as good as a Laguna, a C-Class or a Lybra for example. American cars are enormous cars, and Europeans are smaller indeed, that's not a problem. A Camaro doesn't look better than Golf, and a Golf is well made, not the Camaro. And of course, a BMW is better than many American cars. And why is there this difference of size ? Because ou are not expecting performances because of the way you're drinving (very slow) and of your big rods. In Europe, we have smaller roads and towns. Plus, the gas is 3times as expensive as in the USA... Another thing : 136hp on the Vectra, ok but does the Malibu better ? American hp are very generous. I can give you a precise example : a 406 Coupé 2.0 138hp is faster than a Camaro V6 200hp... for the same size and weigh ! ... and the camaro handles nothing.
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01-22-2003, 10:42 AM | #77 | |
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Jimmy, you make some great points, and I agree on all of them. There were three SUVs that I feel should have been on the list that weren't, they are:
Mercedes G Wagen Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Porsche Cayenne My problem with most of the selections on the poll is that they have little to no off road capabilities. That is what I base my decision on. That is why I said the Grand Cherokee is the best pick. It has the best off road capabilities while having a very nice rice on road as well. I don't care what anyone says, it is a luxury SUV and just as much luxury as some of the domestic offerings on the poll, while not quite as upscale as some of the others. I just don't see how these three were left off the list and are the top three IMO. If you don't agree, well, I guess that is just too bad isn't it? |
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01-22-2003, 05:24 PM | #78 | ||
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agreed The three off-roaders you named are the best off-roaders in the business (The Range Rover is also a winner off-road) I myself used to own a 280GE Mercedes and I can tell you that there was NOTHING that baby couldn't tackle. The Grand Cherokee and Range Rover were both designed by speacialist off-road companies- hence they are excellent off-roaders and Porsche put a ton of thought into my favourite SUV
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01-22-2003, 05:38 PM | #80 | |
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why the hostility?
if you want a nice luxo cruiser that has endless off road capability, and more room than your average apartment, get a humvee. but back to the question... why the hostility? damn boys. we need a timeout or something... |
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01-22-2003, 06:05 PM | #81 | |
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Ask Jimster.Look at the way he replied to me.
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01-22-2003, 06:14 PM | #82 | |
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Porshe Cayenne
I just want to add a little bit about the Porsche Cayenne. It made an appearance at the 2003 Philly Auto Show that I was at. It is truly a beautiful "SUV". I put SUV in quotations because their was limited ground clearance and it was almost too sporty to be called an SUV. However it was a beautiful vehicle inside and out. The interior was as nice as any regular Porsche car, and it looks different from anything out there. It is a great vehicle and I think it will sell good for Porsche. :flash:
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01-22-2003, 06:15 PM | #83 | |
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WakkaWu-
FIRSTLY- the Malibu IS the most boring car on the road it looks like a damn brick and only a few would argue. Secondly the Vectra is a far more sound car in it's driving than the Malibu any fool will tell you that- Also the Malibu has a useless V6 Engine that makes you wonder where all the power went- The Vectra has an impressive line of engines from it's 1.7 Diesel to its 2.5 V6. Also lets not forget just how much heavier the Malibu is than the Vectra. European cars look the same do they??? Yes a Rover 75 looks A LOT like a Ferrari 360 Modena You clearly don't know what a GSi is so pipe down. The fact is that Sevilles and LS' are overwieght Luxo-barges designed for retired Navy colnels and the like- Not sporty driving- the Vectra GSi is a sporting Sedan- they even compete in different classes. If you like big boxy and boring off-roaders then you can- but that doesn't mean it looks better than the X5- you are still the only one who thinks it does. the 27 inch chromies simply make it more hideous- they simply border on vulgarity. And boring is what sells in the US- try selling it in Europe, or Japan or Australia/NZ- IT wouldn't stand a chance- it is simply too boring. The fact that I can't name one decent looking American car (Except for Jeep/Chrysler/Dodge- who run circles around GM product in the first place- but lose out in the sales race) and the fact that the American Accord is by far the most boring in the world says a lot about the American love of boring cars don't it? *disclaimer* I am not saying if it is made in America it is crap- however a sad majority of cars from GM/Fords American offices are crap- Especially compared to European/Australaian counterparts- Chryslers cars are considerably better- unfortunatley they don't seem to sell *disclaimer Clearly there was something wrong with your X5 as it is one helluva smooth riding mother that soaks up the pot-holes but doesn't lose out dynamically- BMW Are the engineers choice- hence the X5 has engineering pedigree. Needless to say it is becoming clear you haven't driven an X5- because every motoring journo that I know of has praised it's ride. The firebird looks allright the Camaro is butt-ugly. The NEW Vectra is as good as the C-class- if you ant to drive the new Vectra I suggest the new Saab 9-3- same Chassis- but different engines. And the Saab 9-3 beat the X-Type, 3-series and (I think) C class in a Top Gear comparision in the November 2002 issue. BMW combines a look of sports and Luxury- hence it's popularity. Cadillacs do not last longer than BMW's- I have had a look over a Seville that was going Ultra cheap at a car-supermarket and it is obvious the materials are of far lower quality than BMW- the Northstar is also been known for it's problems- yet BMW Top satisfaction surveys in Europe constantly (I wonder why that is) didn't you learn from the lashing boingo gave you that Cadillacs have reliability issues? Now if you continue flaming Europeans/Europe and not listening to/respecting other peoples opninions you will be banned again- remember Copperhed210 you are on strict watch
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01-22-2003, 06:15 PM | #84 | |
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ripping someone a new one right back isn't best way to make up for it...
i'm sure we're all mature enough here to show people the truth. like, if you replied with an insightful answer instead of the bullshit thats getting spewed back and forth... we'd all be alot smarter. and it's not just your bullshit. however... it's pretty fucking lame. on everyone's part. |
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01-22-2003, 06:38 PM | #85 | |
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Calm down.
Both the Europeans outlook on it and WakkaWu's outlook on it are OPINIONS. Everyone is entitled to their own, and that should be respected. If you're going to say either is better, back it up with documented facts. Otherwise, stop saying either is a better car than the other, just say you happen to like either car better.
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01-22-2003, 06:56 PM | #86 | ||
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Thanks Mark- an excellent point- however sometimes there is no getting through to WakkaWu- this is one of those situations where we are comparing a car to something that is known to be superior (Malibu vs Vectra) maybe it is because the Malibu is now hopelessly outdated? Maybe it is just the fact that the Vectra was designed for sporting-minded European drivers. The unfrotunate thing about CopperHed/WakkaWu is that he doesn't understand the meaning of opinion- he won't accept that people think different to him- so he feels the need to start swearing and flaming- very unfortunate.
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The 27-in chromes make it look awsome by the way.How is it boring?Its not.Infact,you and your crew of morons are the only ones who think this.Jeep,Chrysler and Dodge run circles around GM then how would the lose in the sales race.That must be a joke.I know a man of your great intelligence wouldnt be serious on that one. How is the American Accord any different from the Japan Accord.Hmm,both made by Honda.Accord and Accord,names sound the same so they quite possibly could be the same cars.And whats wrong with you?Why do you have a great dislike of the American people?If we love boring cars,then why are we driving fun cars like Grand Am GTs and Firebirds.Very fun cars to drive.Ofcourse you have never been behind the wheel of one so you wouldnt know.If GMs are such crap then why are they the largest car manufacturer in the world?They are better cars then most European and Austrailian cars of their class.I dont care what you say because you dont know jack shit about GM obviously or you wouldnt make such ignorants comments.Ford,I can understand.And GMs are by far better cars then Chrylers.The newer Chrysler tend to have many tranny problems. Quote:
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01-22-2003, 07:43 PM | #88 | |
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I have driven a Malibu- I rented one when I was in the states in 1999- so there- I never got what you meant. But does a Peugeot 2O6 look like a Punto which in turn looks like a Rover 25 nope- I thought not.
You have not driven a GSi- please reserve your opinions for when you have- and yes quality gremlins did plague the previous Vectras- however now that the new Ford Mondeo has raised the bars the Vectra quality is bound to improve- wouldn't you say? How is the American Accord different from the Japanese- firstly the springs are a lot softer- which has killed the driving experience- the car is also a lot bigger- which combined with the soft springs makes it very clumsy- The Japanese model has a much firmer ride- and a great chassis and suspension set-up which makes it a poor mans IS200 in terms of a good drive. I have driven the Japanese, American AND European Accord- the American one is by far the worst. I don't dislike American people- Stereotyping is one thing I don't so- I dislike what you say- because you are just one of those domestic drivers who think that the only good things out there are domestics- which of course is not true- any moron will tell you that. A Grand Am is a reasonable driving car I'll admit it- but compared to the Alfa Romeo 156???? Sorry the 156 has it beat- an opinion definitley- but something that I stand by. GM are making big front-wheel drive cars with Big V8 donk- of course I will critisize them- compare an Impala to a Holden Commodore- the Commodore not only has Gen III power and Holdens weel-worked version of the 3.8 Buick V6- but also RWD and bold handsome looks- If you are gonig to try and tell me an Implala has a Commodore beat then you will have to wonder what one is smoking. Maybe Chryslers do have tranny problems- but they are far more Euro-focussed than any Ford/GM hence why I like them- Chrysler also win the styling wars hands down. I haven't driven an Escalade- but since you are the only person I can think of who has rated it better than the X5- I'm not going to take your word for it. How about the thread where you talk about Why do people say Cadillac build thier cars so badly? thread in the Cadillac forum- boingo fired back at you with cold hard facts about how Cadillacs languished at the bottowm third of reliability surveys. Care to link me to these problems or give me an outline of them???? 10 Euros says you can't. As for your warning- you are getting your points across by making wild assumptions, flaming peoples nationality for no reason and you are beginning to piss people off, critisizing a certain viechle is allright if you can dish facts. However personal flaming and flaming someone becasue of where they live is not accepted- you are lucky you weren't banned when you re-registered- so don't push your luck
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Excessive vibration. Lots of X5s appear vibrate a lot more than it seems should be normal for a vehicle, especially when stopped with auto transmission in drive and foot on brake. There are many threads about this. Someone said the fix for the stalling increasing the idle speed and therefore causes a lot more vibration. It isn't clear to me right now which engines and transmissions this is limited to or whether it affects all combinations, but some people don't seem to have the problem. It may be limited to automatics. Very noisy brakes. Many X5s (and a few other BMWs it seems) have extremely noisy brakes that some people complain sound like old truck brakes. Dealers often won't fix these because they are within spec and don't affect braking performance. Excessive wind noise. The sunroof and the front doors seemed to be particular culprits, but also possibly the front windshield. At least some X5s used to come with a part missing from the sunroof and installing the missing part cut down the noise there. The major issue with the doors seems to be not having them aligned with the body tightly enough, but the dealer or a body shop can often adjust them. Should be easy to ride in 2 or 3 different X5s on the same stretch of highway and compare before buying one. Excessive noise from misc. rattles, squeaks, and creaks. There are a lot of complaints about rattles, squeaks, and other misc. noises in the X5. It's a good idea to take any car you might purchase for a long test drive where you listen very carefully (with the radio off and no salesperson trying to talk to you) to the noises the vehicle makes. Uneven space between rear bumper and vehicle. Some people say that their X5 has too uneven of a space between the rear bumper and the back of the vehicle, or at least too much for their tastes given how much money they spent on the vehicle. Should be easy to check to before buying to see if it is noticable to you. Well,there you go. Quote:
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