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96 grand am won't start
I need some help i have a 96 grand am that has proved to be the world's biggest money pit...About 3 wks ago the transmission went out on me...so i found another transmission for $200 dollars and put it in... After i got the new tranny in i went to start the car and it wont start. This car has a bad history with me. About 40,000 miles ago the speedo meter quit working so i bought one out of the junk yard and put it in.. But with any grand am after 96 you have to have the brain of the car reprogramed so it will accept the new speedo meter and start. Ever since i put the new gauge in sometimes the theft light comes on and it wont start i have to shut the key off and then try again. I have found that the car actually has 2 codes in the brain and sometimes it picks up the other code. I dont want to pay $50 to have it reprogrammed again. So i was just curious if anyone has ever had this problem. I have hooked up all wires and grounds to the new tranny. The checked the fuel rail and it is getting fuel. I have never had a car in the shop and never will so that is out of the question. But i have checked everything and this a new situation for me. So until i can get the money pit back on the road. I will continue to drive my ol` reliable 92` grand am with 270,000 miles on it.
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Re: 96 grand am won't start
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http://www.directwholesale.net/diagr...4247&MakeID=35 You can reprogram it yourself to try to get the 2 modules to sync.( BCM and PCM) -- when your car fails to start and the theft light comes on, then you can reprogram using this info--- PROGRAMMING Just as a new TDM is programmed by the first key pellet it reads, a new PCM or TDM/BCM learns the fuel system go/no-go commands at the first start-up. If a PCM is replaced, the new unit will automatically learn the correct commands from the original BCM. If a new BCM is installed, it will learn the correct commands from the original PCM. However if either control unit was ever used in another vehicle, they must be reprogrammed together. There is a 30-minute programming procedure that does not require a scan tool. 1.Turn the ignition switch to START, then release it to the ON position (the engine will not start). 2. The “Security” light should be ON. After 10 minutes, it should turn OFF. 3.Turn the ignition switch OFF and after five seconds, repeat steps 1 and 2. When this procedure has been done three times, turn the ignition switch OFF. The control units will exchange the correct commands during the next start-up attempt. If programming is not completed correctly, either there will be no theft protection or the system will lock in antitheft mode and the engine won’t start.Try the programming procedure again. Note that this will not reprogram key recognition, only the information transmitted on the Class 2 data link. This is all the dealership does for $50. If you still have the intermittent problems with the theft light, you could just bypass the Passlock 1 and not worry about the problems again. It takes less time to bypass than it does to reprogram. Here's some stuff that I have posted before on how to do this. http://www.the12volt.com/installbay/...694&PN=1&TPN=1 Is this You? Get in your car....try to start it and find that the passlock II is screwed up again, you have to wait 10 minutes for it to reset. When it resets it starts up and runs fine. Fix-------Start the car, find the yellow wire that I'm sure you've read about, the rcode wire that is, and cut it. Shut off the car and you're done! The rcode wire on my 2001 alero is behind and to the left of the radio, you must take out the radio.....the yellow wire accompanies two other wires, the white and black, the 3 wires are alone and run inside what appears to be a cheap electrical tape that will fall apart in your hand when you start tugging on it, they are very thin wires, maybe 18 to 22. I taped off both ends of the yellow wire too.Took me about 14 days to find this out and reading no exageration 1000 posts. Forget all the relay, DEI and resister crap that I'm sure you've read about. My security light started coming on again about a year after paying the dealership $450 to replace a faulty Ignition lock cylinder. I was at my wit’s end. My wife and kids would be stuck at night in some shopping center parking lot waiting 10 minutes to reset the Passlock Security. I was able to Bypass, Disable or Ghetto Hack my passlock II anti-theft system on my 2002 Oldsmobile Alero without relays or resistors. I had my local Auto wiring tech install a $5 on/off toggle switch under my dash that is connected into the yellow (key resistance/code/recognition) wire that can be cut (while the engine is running) to essentially bypass passlock I(1) or II(2) permanently.(I do not have nor intend to install a remote starter and I do not have an alarm on this car.) The toggle switch idea came about because of my concern that a dealership tech could possibly reset the security “fail- enable” mode or the battery could die or become disconnected for an extended period of time and reset the intended fault. All I need to do is flip a switch to break the circuit again while the car is running to take the passlock system offline. When the system is offline, the security light is on constantly.(Not flashing.) I don’t mind the light, but others may want to remove the bulb or black it out. Here’s how the setup works: 1)Switch On while engine is running – Security system is on.(Factory Setting) Security light is off. (Circuit is complete.) 2)Switch Off while engine is running – Security system goes into “fail-enable” mode and bypasses the passlock system. Security light is illuminated.(Circuit is broken.) 3)Switch On while engine is off – Security system is on (Factory Setting)(Circuit is complete.) 4)Switch Off while engine is off – Security system detects this as a theft attempt.(Circuit is broken.) If you try to start the car, the fuel will be disabled and the security light will flash. Flip the switch On to complete the circuit and reset the security system to Factory setting. The car will now start.(Acts as a FUEL KILL SWITCH.) Below you will find a thread and some supporting evidence of why this bypass actually works. The entire job took 25 minutes. There is an incredible link below with high resolution pictures of the wiring for your specific car. I included the actual photos that I used to gain access to my ignition lock cylinder wiring. *Special note: those with GM Class II Data Bus should leave your radio connected during the entire procedure so nothing weird happens. If you are unsure if your car is so equipped, it’s best to leave the radio connected and let it hang. Good luck and post with your success stories! 12/4/05 http://www.insurorsservicebureau.com...cal/ISB_QA.pdf page 4, The PASS Key Module also has the ability to allow engine operation if it recognizes a system fault in the ignition key reference circuit while the engine is running. In this case the Module enters and remains in a mode which allows the engine to be started and run without reading the resistance chip. This mode requires that the original factory resistance chip key be in the ignition lock cylinder at the time the fault occurs. During this mode, the security light will be ON all the time. When the key reference circuit is repaired, the module will automatically reprogram itself to the mode requiring the original resistance chip. http://www.motorage.com/motorage/dat...09/article.pdf page 3, If the correct key is in the cylinder and that circuit fails while the engine is running, this is considered a malfunction, not a theft attempt. The “Security” light may turn on to warn of a system malfunction, but even if it doesn’t, a key recognition circuit failure with the proper key in the lock will cause the TDM to enter what GM calls a “fail-enable” mode. Essentially, the theft-deterrent system goes offline and the engine will start and run with any key that turns the lock. http://www.directwholesale.net/diagr...4&link=BULLDOG http://www.directwholesale.net/diagr...7&link=BULLDOG http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/ and click on vehicle wiring diagrams to select your particular make. Ignition Lock Cylinder is the same for the following through the years noted: 1999 - 2004 Alero 1997 - 2003 Malibu 1999 - 2004 Grand Am The GM part number is 12458191. BTW - The cylinder is part of the Passlock security system. So a key relearn may be required. Last edited by raycorri; 12-19-2005 at 10:52 AM. Reason: Wrong programming procedure |
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