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Old 05-21-2003, 08:04 AM   #1
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98 GTP VS. 95 Thunderbird Supercoupe

Out of the two, who do you think would win in a race??? I put my money on the GTP.
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Old 05-22-2003, 06:41 PM   #2
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gtP fo shO...........
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Old 05-23-2003, 03:37 PM   #3
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Yes, GTP. Its lighter than the Thunderbird SC and has 25 more HP. Thunderbird might get it on the start, but not by very much.
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Didnt the thunderchickens have 4 bangers w/ turbos?
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They had a turbo coupe about '86-'89, which was a 2.4L 16V four with a larger blower on it. Then in '90 (I think) to '95 they made the SuperCoupe which was a supercharged 3.8L V6 producing about 210hp.
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larger blower
I thought it was a turbo charger?
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Old 06-06-2003, 11:37 PM   #7
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I have to make a correction, it is a 91 Supercoupe, not a 95.
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GTP can still beat a SC
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Hmmmmmm.... this is a much tougher question than you think boys. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Grand Prix's and have had the fortune to run into the ground a '95 Green GP GT (3.4 DOHC V6-WHAT a pig on gas!), a '98 Red GP GTP (3.8 SUPER), and currently an '01 black GP GTP (no performance shift anymore though ).

Lets compare numbers first:

A 2001 GTP weighs in at roughly 3555 lbs(1610 kgs), produces 240 HP @ 5200 RPM and 280 ft/lbs of TQ @ 3600 RPM. 4 speed auto is the only available tranny.

A 1995 T-Bird SC weighed 1678 kgs (sorry don't have the Imperial conversion but about 170 lbs more), produced 230 HP @ 4400 RPM and a whopping 330 ft/lbs of TQ @ an incredibly low 2500 RPM!! The SC was available with a 5 speed manual tranny.

Granted, these numbers for the SC were for the 1995 model and earlier models had less HP and mostly came with the 4 speed auto - but one thing I remember was that Ford ALWAYS got well over 300 ft/lbs out of their 3.8L Supercharged engine.

The biggest advantage the SC has is its rear wheel drive chassis. THose T-Birds have the frame and setup to handle much more HP and TQ from modifications, whereas the GTP's become at some point limited by their FWD setup (for drag racing anyways). Trust me, I had to give props to one SC a while ago that stayed with my Z28 all the way to 180 Kph from a standstill.

Just some food for thought. I think against most of the older SC's you could run into, a newer GTP would take it in a long enough race (1/4 mile) or on the highway, but just be wery of some of those really clean and well kept Super Coupe's - it might be one of those late models (and you'd have no way of knowing).


EDIT: 2001 GTP 2-door weighs 3495 lbs (1580 Kgs)

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The Grand Prix GTP weighs 3383 (2 door). The 95 SC weighs 3724 manual.
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I thought it was a turbo charger?

When I said "larger blower" I meant a bigger-than-usual turbocharger.
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Blower implies that it is a supercharger, from my understanding.
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Blower implies that it is a supercharger, from my understanding.
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No kidding? Damn, I thought they both blew; so to speak...
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Old 06-11-2003, 09:17 PM   #15
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<---ipec. JK man, nice sence of humor
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