Here comes the draft!

[carrrnuttt]

I copied this from it's entirety from here:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/manda...g19mar04.shtml

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Mandatory Draft Coming-Soon

From: Sophie Lapaire <sophie.lapaire@sun.com>
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mandatorydraftcoming19mar04.shtml
March 19, 2004

I rarely send a mail to a large audience, but the possibility of mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June 15 2005, is something, I believe, everyone should know. This litteraly affects EVERYONE since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes.

If there are children in your family, READ this.

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow.

Even those voters who currently support us. Actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft
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Also, crossing into canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions, actions, actions:
P please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and theycan be a powerful voice for change!

Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story.

The draft

$28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system (sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5146.htmwww.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States,
including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year

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For those that don't believe that letter above, I have never seen that letter before myself until I found it on another forum, but a quick search of the Thomas Jefferson Legislative Search service of the Library of Congress gave me these:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:S.89:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:

Read it for yourselves. If you go to "Bill summary and status", neither one has been stricken-down as of yet, and have been merely referred to Committees and Sub-committees for "review". It's still alive, folks.

[2strokebloke]

Ah, the draft. A stupid thing if there ever was one.
People do a better job when they want to do that job, not when they have no choice but to do so. I've even heard it called slavery, not that I'd put it down to quite that level - but worthless it is anyway.
Many countries do have mandatory military service for their citizens, I am glad, and proud that the U.S. doesn't currently do this. As I have already stated, the people who will do the best job, are those who are actively seeking that job, I believe very strongly in that. It angers me when people take job that they don't want, and then do a crappy uninspired job because of this - it's even worse when they don't do this out of their own choosing, IMHO.

[blindside.AMG]

No Canada? Oh well, I got friends in Mexico.

Seriously, I'd do what I have to do. Even though I wouldn't be happy about doing it.

[eversio11]

spring 2005.. still only 17

[DevoutWankelist]

*gulp


What would you all do if you were drafted?
I don't really know but I guess I would serve.

[thegladhatter]

It aint gonna happen....but it isn't all that bad of an idea.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

It aint gonna happen....but it isn't all that bad of an idea.

I take it you're a Liberal like Lyndon B. Johnson?

I have never heard of anything more ironic (or stupid) than taking away somebody's freedom to protect his freedom, lol.

[spooleffect]

Yeah um, this better not happen.......

[thegladhatter]

It won't, but hey it worked fine for many years. SOMEBODY has to protect the nation! As long as there are fine men to volunteer...we're are in good hands. If there just aren't enough...maybe they will have to bring the draft back.

[deadlight]

I'm hoping this is just one of those things that comes up every few years, I've already been planning to move to another country, Canada has been high on that list, so I'd hate to be kept out as a potential draft-dodger. I honestly didn't think we would need to reinstate the draft with the amounts of money we put into the military.

[YogsVR4]

It is one of those things we hear every few years. Its done as a scare tactic. Rangle (D-NY) was on the talking head shows calling for it because of the disproportion of blacks to whites, latinos to white, poort to rich and a few other buzz word comparisons.

This bill was brought around January of 2003 - it still sits in committee. I can find no mention of when and or if the bill will even be talked about in committee. Aside from it being introduced, its gone noplace. Remember any member can introduce anything they like. So one of the member makes a motion to reinstate slavery, the bill would get moved to committee.

If anyone wonders about the timing, just look at the sites raising the alarm. (use google and you'll see what I mean) They all site that the draft would start right after the 04 election. Most of the web sites specifically mention Bush and this bill over and over again. The bill was brought to the floor by Democrats who want nothing more then to see Bush out of office.













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[Ace$nyper]

Yogs is right but if i was drafted id do what i had to.

[TexasF355F1]

I agree that it won't happen.

[deadlight]

I would go to war if I was drafted and I felt it was a good cause. In a World War II-like situation, yes I would go. A vietnam-like situation? Probably not. If we're going to have a draft I'd like to know that it's for a good cause. Good points Yogs.

[SniperX13]

I have done my time in the military, and if I got called back, I would grab my gear, head up front, do whats needed, keep my ass and head down, come back to my fiance (yup just asked her 2 days ago!) and go about my buisness. Personally, I like the idea of mandatory military time of 1 or 2 years. I think it would help cut down on crime and lazy people, because it might actually instill some discipline, morals, responsibility, and most of all, self-respect. If they do decide to pass it back, I do hope this time it is equally for all. Males and Females alike.