thinking single cam

ok i'm looking to get a motor but i wanted to know what you guys think would be a good idea. i know everyone says that the single cam vtec motor is nothing compared to the b16 but i don't have a lot of money and i want to get other things besides the motor. is the single cam THAT bad. some guy in another forum said that he ran 13.7 with a single cam boosted on 7psi. that's pretty fast in my eyes. and i would go forced induction and i'm not all about "all motor" and considering the price difference in these motors y is the single cam that crappy. and i understand the fact that in a 2700 lb car it's really slow but i have a 2200lb car which is substantially lighter. is the only reason so many people are pushing the dohc vtecs because they make gobs of power naturally aspirated???

nothing wrong with a sohc vtec motor. i think most people just go dohc because overall, u get more hp. i mean like a dohc boosted at 7psi vs a sohc boosted at 7psi, i mean u cant compare the dohc will always win when modded the same as a sohc. plus the top power of a dohc is higher than a sohc, so say like if u only wanted 300hp, well it would be alot easier to get it from a dohc then a sohc. u know waht i mean. shit if i only wanted to run like 13s, then i would go sohc. but im one of those guys who dreams about one day owning a 10 sec car. so yeah i choose dohc.

d16z6, i/h/e, upgraded fuel pump/injectors,zex 75 shot, slicks, hello 13's maybe even 12's with good driving :)

how bad will it be if i keep my dx tranny??? will my tranny be ok and will i be slower and if so how much slower than with a ex or si tranny. and do i NEED a stage 1 clutch?? or is it recommended. i mean is my clutch gonna give out like in a month?

its not bad at all. yeah yoru tranny will be ok. but u will be alitt slower than a ex or si tranny cause of the dx longer gears. u dont need a clutch unless your clutch is gone. but i mean if u got the money and your clutch is old, then put one on cause u have the engine out so its easy. your clutch wont go out because of the extra power

civichbsi91, more like 14s, not 13s or 12s

Originally posted by liquid8
i know everyone says that the single cam vtec motor is nothing compared to the b16 but i don't have a lot of money and i want to get other things besides the motor.

IMO, a upgrading from a D16 to a B16 is a waste. If you don't plan on doing some major mods the the B16, then you wasted over $2k. There is not a night and day difference between the two. There have been many times that I have seen SOHC's put down better TQ numbers with just boltons. Put 2k into a turbo setup and you'll be very happy.

Originally posted by t0p_sh0tta


IMO, a upgrading from a D16 to a B16 is a waste. If you don't plan on doing some major mods the the B16, then you wasted over $2k. There is not a night and day difference between the two. There have been many times that I have seen SOHC's put down better TQ numbers with just boltons. Put 2k into a turbo setup and you'll be very happy.

How do you figure? Either way you look at it, mod each engine the same and there is definitely a " night and day difference". I admit I've seen some single cams lay some bad ass time's but like I said mod them the same, hit the dyno and then show me that there's no difference.

like on sat night i seen a 5th gen couple turbo @ 8psi, race a 4th gen b16a. and the 5th gen lost.

then i seen a 4th gen with a y8 jrsc, nos. race that same 4th gen b16a and it was pretty up and up but the 4th gne b16 was faster. and the 4th gen b16 only had an intake with open exhaust and thats it. and i know thats all he has cause i seen when it got it and i helped put the b16 in

he must have not sprayed......or he has like a 25 shot....

what kind of stock times could i expect in the 1/4?

frankly, the way I see it (budgeting myself) if you're gonna spend the money for a swap and a turbo, what's the trouble in saving some coin for a lil while longer, getting the proven better and faster engine, and then moding that with your induction of choice?

put it this way, get something that is ok right now, or just be patient, wait a lil longer, and get something that is out and out bad ass. I've been jonesin for a swap for months now, I have the money for a SOHC V-tec, (D16z6), but I can champ at the bit for another month er so to save some more for the b16a2. Plus, that gives you more time to squirrel away some cash for modifications to compliment the new engine.

patience is a virtue my friend, let the yahoos beat you at the stop lights and race tracks for a lil while longer, and then by the end of summer, you'll have an engine and car that can anihilate anything they bring to the line. Hell, if you're patient enough, you might even consider saving for a b18c1, H22a1, or get crazy with a CRV-tec. trust me, great things are worth waiting for.

i know what your saying wheel, i mean im a racer and if this were me, id go with a b series swap. but this guy said he dont have much money and he doesnt really seem like a racer so thats why id say sohc vtec for him

i am going to stay with sohc and just do the minnie me swap, i know i will not get the same power numbers as a dohc but it will be a lot easier to install, then a full engine swap plus the dohc is two to three times as expensive as just the minnie-me swap. so i figure 3 to 4 hundred for the minnie me swap and a lil over a thousand for a custom turbo and i will still be under what it will cost for the b16 swap plus i will probaly be pulling a higher hp than with a b16 swap for the same price. :cool:

well that's all fine and dandy, seriously, but the thing is you won't get much faster than that w/o major mods. it just seems like dohc respond a lot better to modifications than single cams do. i know sohc are capable of 10 sec 1/4 mile, but they spent a more money to attain such numbers. so if you look at it, a sohc would be ok to run pretty fast, but if you want to think ahead and eventually wanna run some pretty low times, the dohc is a better investment. so i guess i sound redundant cuz i repeated what people already said, but it would have to depends on what you're gonna do w/ the motor.......

DOHC all the way:licker:

but civickiller, can't you just see liquid a few years down the road, with a tear ass SOHC FAI and gettin into racing with his new found power, that as tenzo... said would end up costing as much as a slightly tuned and bolted b16 with less power. I dunno, just me, I think long term.

either way, good luck with the swap, and make sure to do your research, the FAQ has some great articles and there is a nifty book Im reading right now called "Civic Duty" by Alan Paradise that focuses on methods, means, and bang for the buck of building civics.

heres the point in trying to make, like if u only wanna run about 13s, then go sohc, if i only wanted to run 13s i would go sohc

but anything faster, u should go dohc because then it starts to get expensive. so its like you can run less boost on a dohc to equal higher boost in a sohc, get it ?

for example. say u got a sohc runnin 18psi, say its max on pump gas, ok so hes runnin 12s. then u got a dohc at 18psi, runnin 11s on pump gas. now these are not facts, just a made up example.

im just saying that if u wanna run 12s or lower, go dohc, anything higher i would go sohc.

and if u read waht i posted, i advised him to go sohc, i was just trying to show why some people go dohc, but i told him to go sohc

5 digits: b18c1

simple as that...b16a4<b18c1

simple as having a lil bigger displacement an better torque numbers...the extra cash is worth it. run a b18c1 w/ i/h/e in ur h/b, an ur into 13's EASY if u can drive.

i was looking at engine prices and most B18C1 are over 1000$ more than a B16A, thats alot for .2 Lt of displacement. for the money id rather have oil squirters welded in a B20, use a b17 crank, custom rods and a B18C1 head. talk about torque :devil:

*B20 crank - my bad i was thinking of a bored out b16 i read about :rolleyes:

use a b17 crank, B20 crank - my bad yea then you get unwanted vibrations in the sleeves and warping starts to occur :)


patience is a virtue my friend, let the yahoos beat you at the stop lights and race tracks for a lil while longer, and then by the end of summer, you'll have an engine and car that can anihilate anything they bring to the line. i get a SOHC VTEC swap i beat you in your stock or whatever car......you save up get a b16 acouple months after me.....meanwhile im saving and modding the car as your saving....you get your car done, im modded, your stock cuz you spent 3500+ on a b16 swap and cant afford anything else yet....i still beat you.....youll win in the very end but that might take acouple years.....

you're just mad cause you have a 4th gen. :D (Im just kiddin, I know what you've done with it, not too many people with a built D-series)

now see, I've been savin, and my b16 swap when I do it, wont be a stock b16, I kept saving so I can mod it with a I/H/E, new intake manifold, a free-er fuel system, and still have enough coin left over to get a jump start on saving for some internals.

now either way, go with the engine you want. My poor, stock, D15z1 and I have been gettin whooped on by cavaiers and sunfires for the better part of a year now, but workin my tale off and saving my dough, I can get the exact ride I want.

All I was really tryin to say is that it is better to be patient and get exactly what you want, then to get something that in the future may not be all you hoped. If a D16z6 is what you want, go for it, its a strong engine and will run well.
thats all Im sayin.

All I was really tryin to say is that it is better to be patient and get exactly what you want yea i know, everyone just do what you want, be happy ;)

civicHBsi91, could you use a B17 crank without losing displacment? i know you would have a better r/s ratio :confused:

civicHBsi91, could you use a B17 crank without losing displacment? i know you would have a better r/s ratio i was just stating that you would get vibrations in the sleeves and it would cause warping because you know you would be revvin it over 5 grand, the original crank would do this too but i mean the diff crank would cause more vibrations than normal

ohhh, the CRVtec is starting to sound like more trouble than its worth

the CRVtec is starting to sound like more trouble than its worth your gettin it mixed up, CRVtec is a b20 block with a vtec head

i don't know. this guy at work told me that he had a friend that could hook me up with a motorswap. i asked how much it would be and he told me 1800. so i was hoping to wait to see if that fell through and if not then i would just get the d16.

so u wanna race civichbsi91, your sohc vtec vs my ls ? wanna see who wins. and a b16 swap only cost around 2000. i mean people always say oh get a sohc vtec for $500 or u can get a b series for $3000. see your including labor with the b series but u dont include labor with the d series. so u cna get a sohc vtec for $500 and u can get a complete b series swap for $2000, well for a b16a.

thats what i was talking about
oil squirters welded in a B20, use a b17 crank, custom rods and a B18C1 head. :)

why not go for a h22 or b18? why does it have to be b16? dont you want more?

i like b16's. i think it would be a enough for me

with his engine and some common knowledge he should be able to bolt the vtec head right on the new block and add the couple extra wires for the vtec right shouldn't he be able to do that himself?know with the b16 he will have to change everthing out from axles to th ecu. see it is believed that if you add z6 or y8 and turbo and you should be able to push close to 190. now with a b16 you will only be at 170 tops. so my thinking is with 3000 put 500 into the head 1500 hundred for the turbo and the last thousand to build up the block and head.

for $1500 u gotta do a homemade kit, no name brand is that cheap

fine...poor man's type r motor...find a b18c1 block...drop a b16a head on it...be happy :D

see your including labor with the b series well yea....not many people drop in their own b series at their house, i only know of a few on here and none in person so......d series you can just drop right in yourself simple as doing the original motor

i saw a greddy turbo kit for 92-95 civic for 1498. i believe the last time i checked greddy was a well respected brand name. but i could be wrong.
you could probably do homemade for barely over a thousand without intercooler.

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
well yea....not many people drop in their own b series at their house, i only know of a few on here and none in person so......d series you can just drop right in yourself simple as doing the original motor

im dropping in my ls right now at my house by myself, thats a b series. if u really think about it, dropping in a b16 is really just was easy as dropping a d series. it just takes alitttle longer. in reality its just as easy, if u really think about it. but most people just think its hard because u gotta get a mount kit and stuff, but its just as easy, it may take alittle longer though

im not saying its hard.....i could do it i would feel up to it, just most people dont want to mess with something that major, the only thing i havent done to my car by myself thus far has been the windshield.....

will his ecu work on a b16 engine or will he have to get a new one i thought you had to get a new one and rewire the harnesses.ive never done or seen the swap done but i ve heard the wireing for the vtec was apain in the ass.

yeah i heard that to. and i would have to get the b16 ecu

i would have to get the b16 ecu Dur hur hur, im the water boy hur hur hur :bloated: lol j/k dude, yea you would need the b16 ecu unless you had a 4g si/hf you could send the ecu to a place that does one wire vtec conversions

DOHC VTEC is better than SOHC VTEC powerwise...

"but 91civicDXdude, why do you have a SOHC VTEC"

i got my d16z6 for $200 and my stock engine was burning oil like a bitch.

I say, if you can afford to go DOHC VTEC, do it, but if you are looking for a cheap swap and a little more power than stock, SOHC VTEC is still a quick little engine.

SOHC not that bad, but i would just save the money and go with the DOHC. HP and customizing potential on the DOHC is more worth the buck.

where did you find a sohc for 200 bucks??????

a friend on mine had a 95 EX and was swapping in a b18c1, so he basically threw the d16z6 out on the ground and was happy to get any money out of it. i think he was planning on using it as lawn decoration.

DOHC. I ran into this guy who just came back from japan. and he claims that you can find b16's for $200-300 US dollars? mainly cause japanese are more into the Supras, WRX's, NSX's, and skylines. is this true???

btw, back to the mounting kit. this may not apply but, I've heard two things, and I suspect a third.

Heard:
1. You have to buy a mounting kit, and put new mounts in your car (eg: new places to mount an engine, welding involved) when swapping in a b series engine intoa car that wasnt formerly a b-series car.

2. You have to buy a mounting kit, which is really just those gian rubber bushings that replace the old ones on the b-series, and hold the engine in the previously non b-series car.

Suspect:
1. an engine mount kit is a good idea to get because a good rule of thumb is to replace old bushings when the opportunity is there and wear is present.

so whats the scoop? anything I've heard true? is my suspicion true? or am I WAY off base here?
thanks,
-wheel

well i'm pretty sure that the b16 is a direct bolt in. you don't have to buy any motor mounts

werd

Originally posted by liquid8
well i'm pretty sure that the b16 is a direct bolt in. you don't have to buy any motor mounts

Any b block is a direct bolt in, yeah.