ITR Engine/Tranny + 5th Gen Civic

Just something I've been mulling over for a while peepz. I know you can fit an Integra VTi-R engine into a 5th gen's bay. Is it therefore possible/easy/difficult to fot an ITR engine in? I am seriously thinking of doing this in 18 months. What do you think? What is the availability of ITR engines? Where would I get it from? WHo could do the swap? Croyden? What is the engine code for the ITR engine (eg VTi-R is B18C1). Any questions, comments or advice...

Originally posted by ozriceboy
Just something I've been mulling over for a while peepz. I know you can fit an Integra VTi-R engine into a 5th gen's bay. Is it therefore possible/easy/difficult to fot an ITR engine in? I am seriously thinking of doing this in 18 months. What do you think? What is the availability of ITR engines? Where would I get it from? WHo could do the swap? Croyden? What is the engine code for the ITR engine (eg VTi-R is B18C1). Any questions, comments or advice...

Yes very possible.

It is very pricey though....ITR engines range from about 6K up!!

Like I said before, my cousin's did a jap spec ITR swap into a CRX.

For that much money doing a swap and all the hassle involved, I would consider just buying the ITR itself.

Could it be done for $15k?

Yup - the engine is far to expensive fo an extra 15bhp over the VTiR.

Someone better check me on this - VTiR = 180bhp, ITR = 195bhp?

Remember, the reason ITRs are so quick is the whole package - not just the engine. :)

VTi-R 126kW
ITR - 140kW

Originally posted by ozriceboy
VTi-R 126kW
ITR - 140kW

Yes.....but the difference in price between engines is like :eek:

Originally posted by Spunkymonkey


Yes.....but the difference in price between engines is like :eek:

Why the difference?? What is availability of both like? What is the difference in price? Is it any more difficult installing either engine?

Originally posted by ozriceboy
VTi-R 126kW
ITR - 140kW

BHP conversion? I can't work in KW :rolleyes:

126 doesn't sound much compared to the B16A

Originally posted by Setanta


BHP conversion? I can't work in KW :rolleyes:

126 doesn't sound much compared to the B16A

I'm the opposite. I dunno hp.

B16a is max power @ 118kw.

JDM ITR is 200P/S = approx 197bhp off the top of my head (from the Honda History site). I am fairly certain our ITR is slightly less.

Maybe the VTiR is 175bhp which doesn't seem much more than the B16A and certainly not much compared to the 170bhp EG SiR B16A. Have you thought of that as the swap? A lot cheaper and if you get a front cut then you're set.

Damn - thunder storm and I can hear my car alarm screaming - oh well - all the units needed to be woken up :)

Originally posted by Setanta
JDM ITR is 200P/S = approx 197bhp off the top of my head (from the Honda History site). I am fairly certain our ITR is slightly less.

Maybe the VTiR is 175bhp which doesn't seem much more than the B16A and certainly not much compared to the 170bhp EG SiR B16A. Have you thought of that as the swap? A lot cheaper and if you get a front cut then you're set.

Damn - thunder storm and I can hear my car alarm screaming - oh well - all the units needed to be woken up :)

what...your baby doesn't get garaged :flipa:

Hmmmm....are you certain of those numbers?? I still want the 1800cc because of the extra capacity etc. Gimme some prices ppl. And I also want the engine code.

Originally posted by Spunkymonkey


what...your baby doesn't get garaged :flipa:

It's under a carport but the thunder was right overhead - shook the building and set the motion detector off on 3 or 4 cars :p

Oz - the figure are off the Honda history site so I'm pretty certain :) ITRs aren't surer powerful, but they own WRXs etc on the track based on handling and brakes plus power - that's their magic :)

Do I always have to do all the work around here :rolleyes:

VTIR

Engine No Sample B18C2 1234567
Vin Sample JHMDC23800S123456

Maximum Power : 125kW @ 7300rpm
Maximum Torque : 173Nm @ 6200rpm

Minimum price I've heard is about 2.5K - 3 starting price then up


TYPE R

Maximum Power : 141kW @ 7900rpm
Maximum Torque : 178Nm @ 6300rpm


B18C7 1000079
Vin Sample : JHMDC2310YS200120


Minimum price is about 5 0r 6 K. then up. They guy that did the type R swap paid 7K for his.

Hope that helps :)

Ummm Q - Oz posted those KW figures earlier :rolleyes:

We were trying to do the BHP conversion. :)

BTW - JDM B16A 2nd gen (EG series) = 170bhp, not 160 :)

'sif you work anyway :p

Originally posted by Setanta
Ummm Q - Oz posted those KW figures earlier :rolleyes:

We were trying to do the BHP conversion. :)

BTW - JDM B16A 2nd gen (EG series) = 170bhp, not 160 :)

'sif you work anyway :p

He wanted engine numbers...I gave him engine numbers :flipa:

Computer crashed...we've been getting blue screen phenomenon :eek:

Good old BSOD (blue screen of death :D ). I haven't seen one in years - well, not since I moved to Win2K and WinXP :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Good old BSOD (blue screen of death :D ). I haven't seen one in years - well, not since I moved to Win2K and WinXP :)

we have had major issues last couple months...every day atleast 1.

Could be the hardware failing. Usually it's when the operating system cops an error from accessing the hardware. I got it until I built my 'puters and installed the software myself. :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Could be the hardware failing. Usually it's when the operating system cops an error from accessing the hardware. I got it until I built my 'puters and installed the software myself. :)

Its cause we clog the RAM from internet use :eek:

although sometimes not....just using or normal applications. we don't mind...gets us off the phones. :D

hahahah... part of me did wonder how hard people tried to make it happen :D

Originally posted by Setanta
hahahah... part of me did wonder how hard people tried to make it happen :D

we don't need to try...computer does it automatically anyway :p

With a little coaxing :D

Been there, done that :p

Originally posted by Setanta
With a little coaxing :D

Been there, done that :p

You've done it....we don't need to try...cause they still haven't figured it out whats wrong.

LOL - tell 'em to cut the access to forums and the system mightn't overload so bad :flipa:

Originally posted by Setanta
LOL - tell 'em to cut the access to forums and the system mightn't overload so bad :flipa:

Piss off :flipa: you complained when I was gone for a week...who would be complaining then :rolleyes:

pfft - I got out more with you away :D Hell - it helped kick the net habit (says the guy who prolly has 40 odd posts in the last 1/2 hour :rolleyes: )

Easiest way is just to write a continuing loop in word macros. I'll post some code if ya want.

Oz t3h 133t hax0r :p

Originally posted by Spunkymonkey


Yes very possible.

It is very pricey though....ITR engines range from about 6K up!!

Like I said before, my cousin's did a jap spec ITR swap into a CRX.

For that much money doing a swap and all the hassle involved, I would consider just buying the ITR itself.

the guy that owes the coupe?

Originally posted by stubborn_boi


the guy that owes the coupe?

no the coupe has the stock B16a in it. I'm talking CRX.

These the cousins that do everything to Hondas? :)

BBL - going to see if the rain has washed the cruise out or not :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Setanta
These the cousins that do everything to Hondas? :)

BBL - going to see if the rain has washed the cruise out or not :rolleyes:

Yes :p

Haven't been over there in a while, to see how the CRX is going.

2:12 in the morning and I'm trashed. The run went out to Springwood lookout (so I got to drive through my old hometown on the way back). Evos, Silvias, GTR, plenty of turbo blowoff noise, RX7s a 1G MR2 and me the only FWD :P

You wouldn't believe it Q - 2 Carlo year 12 students and a guy I'd taught in year 10 were there :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Setanta
2:12 in the morning and I'm trashed. The run went out to Springwood lookout (so I got to drive through my old hometown on the way back). Evos, Silvias, GTR, plenty of turbo blowoff noise, RX7s a 1G MR2 and me the only FWD :P

You wouldn't believe it Q - 2 Carlo year 12 students and a guy I'd taught in year 10 were there :rolleyes:

:hehehe: LOL

Heard, they were doing burnouts and being silly too :rolleyes:

No comment :p

Mind you - the fog rolled in at about 12 - my car was parked about 20 meters away and I couldn't see it.

Pretty good time actually and there was no hassles over driving a Civic :)

Good you had a good time :)

yeah - only downside was heading up to the lookout - u-bends. I used to drive the run from my place at Richmond to Springwood for work, out through Yarramundi etc. I can do the run and know all of the lines to take at speed and can handle the understeer and wheelspin - not so the guy in front of me in an RX7 - massive oversteer and came close to clipping the opposite wall. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Setanta
yeah - only downside was heading up to the lookout - u-bends. I used to drive the run from my place at Richmond to Springwood for work, out through Yarramundi etc. I can do the run and know all of the lines to take at speed and can handle the understeer and wheelspin - not so the guy in front of me in an RX7 - massive oversteer and came close to clipping the opposite wall. :rolleyes:

:hehehe:

that happens sometimes when there is a group of sports cars together....everyone trying to show off, when they should really just drive to their own ability :p

P-plater - 'nuff said. One of the year 12s actually. It could have been embaressing if I had to tell his English teacher that he and the girl in the car with him wrote the car off 8 meters in front of me :rolleyes:

Heheh... he was so happy that he "left me for dead" at one straight run down the driftway. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I have 40 more hp than his stock 12A and that I wasn't trying :D

Originally posted by Setanta
P-plater - 'nuff said. One of the year 12s actually. It could have been embaressing if I had to tell his English teacher that he and the girl in the car with him wrote the car off 8 meters in front of me :rolleyes:

Heheh... he was so happy that he "left me for dead" at one straight run down the driftway. I didn't have the heart to tell him that I have 40 more hp than his stock 12A and that I wasn't trying :D


Shhhhhhh......just leave it til your parked next to him at some lights, then teach him who's boss :)

LOL - and this from someone who :rolleyes: at the idea of people raising a little smoke on a cruise :D

Originally posted by Setanta
LOL - and this from someone who :rolleyes: at the idea of people raising a little smoke on a cruise :D

what are you talking about :confused:

racing someone off the lights isn't the same thing as doing burnouts

ummm... controlled circumstances (and if such a thing ever happened, it would have been very controlled) v's speed on a public road? Heheh - I don't disagree with your means of proving a point... but I don't see much difference between the two somehow :p

Originally posted by Setanta
ummm... controlled circumstances (and if such a thing ever happened, it would have been very controlled) v's speed on a public road? Heheh - I don't disagree with your means of proving a point... but I don't see much difference between the two somehow :p

You're talking like it wasn't happening last night :rolleyes:

Hello....I don't go crazy at a set of lights. I give it a little up to the speed limit, and then slow down again :p

ummm... now try selling that story to someone who hasn't drivin in front/behind you :D :D :D :D

...as in: which speed limit were you talking about...? :p

Ok, BBL - going out for a bit

Cheers :)

Originally posted by Setanta
ummm... now try selling that story to someone who hasn't drivin in front/behind you :D :D :D :D

HAHAHA.....but you haven't parked beside me at a set of lights yet :p

catch ya later :p

heheh - I feel a challenge coming on:p This could be interesting... lighter SiR which is down on power and torque compared to the VTiR 'teg which is the reverse. :)

Originally posted by Setanta
heheh - I feel a challenge coming on:p This could be interesting... lighter SiR which is down on power and torque compared to the VTiR 'teg which is the reverse. :)

Actually it would be interesting to line 3 of us up. You, my sister in the civic, and me...... :)

I'm on lunch....be posting "sporadically" :p

Now.....that's from "Clueless" if you didn't get the language :p

Ummm... I have seen clueless :flipa:

I prefered Austen's original though.

I just finished watching the remake of Planet of the Apes - It's a quiet night tonight as I'm going out tomorrow and prolly tomorrow night :) So I kind of cut back on the posting for the last hour :)

Hmmm... think the EK VTiR and the SiR would be a tough match - about par although the SiR is lighter. Against the 'teg - torque may well be the difference - I don't know :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Ummm... I have seen clueless :flipa:

I prefered Austen's original though.

I just finished watching the remake of Planet of the Apes - It's a quiet night tonight as I'm going out tomorrow and prolly tomorrow night :) So I kind of cut back on the posting for the last hour :)

Hmmm... think the EK VTiR and the SiR would be a tough match - about par although the SiR is lighter. Against the 'teg - torque may well be the difference - I don't know :)

I don't know....but 1st gear is a bit longer in the teg than the civic....and the vtir seems a bit slow off the line.

I love austin powers too :) especially the character of Fat Bastard is a classic :p

Not that slow - I think the SiR would wind up to redline faster as I was hitting 8000 as we came off the ramp - but I wind out to 8000 on a regular basis :rolleyes:

The only difference would be gearbox ratios and the driver and I doubt there's too much of a difference if any. :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Not that slow - I think the SiR would wind up to redline faster as I was hitting 8000 as we came off the ramp - but I wind out to 8000 on a regular basis :rolleyes:

The only difference would be gearbox ratios and the driver and I doubt there's too much of a difference if any. :)

You just have to push it a bit on 1st, before it responds in the civic. How much is the weight difference anyway....the teg is about 1145 - 1150kgs.

The vtir I believe is about 1100kg.

hmmm... SiR is 1002kg according to the weighbridge I took it to (my bumpers don't have metal reinforcement in them as required by ADRs, lack of heavy soundproofing and no anti-intrusion bars in the doors). According to Honda it "should" be 1030kg as it has aircon/PS/sunroof - but it's lighter than that - mags might have something to do with that fact - but not 28kg worth so I don't know.

Aussie EK VTiR gear ratios are designed for cruising not acceleration - the SiR is the reverse. My shifter is also a lot quicker than the aussie VTiR's - compare a GL 4G's shifter and the GL's is like rowing a boat :p

All B16As are a hassle in first - I have to launch at 4400 to really get the best out of it and get it onto the powerband fast - sometimes higher but then I break traction badly and get disgusting torque steer even though I have equal length driveshafts :rolleyes:

The VTiR is a refined B16A, the SiR is early technology - there isn't too much refinement there at all ;)

Originally posted by Setanta
hmmm... SiR is 1002kg according to the weighbridge I took it to (my bumpers don't have metal reinforcement in them as required by ADRs, lack of heavy soundproofing and no anti-intrusion bars in the doors). According to Honda it "should" be 1030kg as it has aircon/PS/sunroof - but it's lighter than that - mags might have something to do with that fact - but not 28kg worth so I don't know.

Aussie EK VTiR gear ratios are designed for cruising not acceleration - the SiR is the reverse. My shifter is also a lot quicker than the aussie VTiR's - compare a GL 4G's shifter and the GL's is like rowing a boat :p

All B16As are a hassle in first - I have to launch at 4400 to really get the best out of it and get it onto the powerband fast - sometimes higher but then I break traction badly and get disgusting torque steer even though I have equal length driveshafts :rolleyes:

The VTiR is a refined B16A, the SiR is early technology - there isn't too much refinement there at all ;)

Talk about stock GL like my mum's car..... now that's rowing a boat....that was slower shifting than my 3rd gen. I found with my mum's and my sisters old GL's the body of the cars...aren't too steady if you push it a bit....do you find that in your car...the EK VTIR is a pretty good package though :)

Nah, mine's quite stable, but I have completely different suspension geometry to a GL - nothing can be taken off a GL to match it (which is a pain when it comes to spare parts). Biggest issue is torque steer on takeoff - it's stable to 175 as far as I know (not that I would know of course ;) ).

EKs are great although I prefer the coupe styling to the hatch (but the build quality of the hatch is better - Japan v's US quality). The EK is a refined descendent of the SiR quick but tame, the SiR is built for speed and to get there as quickly as possible.

It sounds oblique, but it's just my take on two similar yet different design ideologies :)

Originally posted by Setanta
Nah, mine's quite stable, but I have completely different suspension geometry to a GL - nothing can be taken off a GL to match it (which is a pain when it comes to spare parts). Biggest issue is torque steer on takeoff - it's stable to 175 as far as I know (not that I would know of course ;) ).

EKs are great although I prefer the coupe styling to the hatch (but the build quality of the hatch is better - Japan v's US quality). The EK is a refined descendent of the SiR quick but tame, the SiR is built for speed and to get there as quickly as possible.

It sounds oblique, but it's just my take on two similar yet different design ideologies :)

:) Now....it would really be interesting to see if you and Lang raced :)

I have a friend who has a teg, and he's raced the EK vtir quite a few times, and sometimes he beats his friend and other times his friend beats him.

Similar situation with my friend David. His integra...before he did the type R swap, sometimes he beat my cousin Denny's coupe other times, he would beat it.

Interesting...cause when I raced Denny...I beat him all the time. Haven't really raced another vtec integra to see....well apart from David...but he had his type r swap in then.

Coupes are heavier than the hatch as I recollect.

Sounds like the VTiR range of Civics and 'tegs might be pretty much par for the course.

I wouldn't like to bet either way I don't think, too many variables :)