need a good car very bad!

guys im badle looking for a car that is fit for me! i want it to have 180+ hp and not to big something like eagl talon! eagle talons are nice but i head lots of shit about there engin and transmision! i was thinking about mustangs but they use too much god damn gas! what other cars have doch engins in them?

180 hp while being reliable? I wouldn't go the Civic route.

Talons work fine when not overboosted too. The second gear on their transmissions only keeps going because people put crazy boost on it.

what do you mean when you say boost? does it mean that they add extra shit to the car or do they kick the shit out of the car by going to the max limit of the second gear speed? until the car can handle the speed and dies?

180 hp while being reliable? I wouldn't go the Civic route u must not know much about hondas, and dude not to insult you but i would learn alittle more about cars before you go and get behind something that pushes 180 hp

what do you mean when you say boost? does it mean that they add extra shit to the car or do they kick the shit out of the car by going to the max limit of the second gear speed? until the car can handle the speed and dies?
ummm.... boost from the turbo :rolleyes:

Man hondas are not that good man! yeah true honda prelude is good but all the civics are 120 hp stock and im not talkinga about the sir! im taling about 92 to 95!

uhm engine swap! helllloooooo....and you dont even have to go DOHC to get 180. you can get a SOHC d16 there with some turbo. or choose from a b16 or b18 with some intake/exhaust work.

and hondas not reliable! JESUS! What rock are you under!? Come out in the sun, its warm out here! My 92 Honda VX has 236 Thousand + miles on it! All I do is change the oil!

not to mention the aftermarket support for tuning and tweeking your honda! talons dont come close (I know Ive been helping my buddy with his). and mustangs, well, mustangs...(being kind) too heavy, poor handling, expensive, and aftermarket products, while they are plentiful, are a pain, are expensive, and cannot promise the same reliability after install that Honda can.

whew...dont know what happened to me...i hear an inference that Hondas suck and I just see red...sorry

I don't think Hondas suck. I just think that to get 180hp out of a stock Civic (barring anything short of a JDM B18C transplant) you'll need forced induction. And Hondas generally don't respond well on the reliability front to forced induction.

Don't accuse me of not knowing my shit too ;)

And if you buy a car solely to do an engine swap, why not just buy the car the engine was swapped out of???

Why the hell is this thread in the 92+ civic forum? :bloated:

cuz we knew lots about cars! lol i know engin swap but i want a stock car to have 180 +hp!

Integra GSR!:bloated:

Originally posted by sageuvagony
Integra GSR!:bloated:

glad someone else here thinks the same way I do :cool:

I find GS-R's are too expensive for what you get because of their popular demand.

amen to that! A friend of mine bought a 94 GSR 2 years ago and paid about 8k for it. I was at a car meet this weekend up in sac and there was a guy with a 94 ls and I was talkin to him and he only paid 4k! What a difference!

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
dude not to insult you but i would learn alittle more about cars before you go and get behind something that pushes 180 hp

I'm gonna second this motion.

Originally posted by civicHBsi91
u must not know much about hondas, and dude not to insult you but i would learn alittle more about cars before you go and get behind something that pushes 180 hp

Aside from a GSR/Type R or a Prelude, both of which are disgustingly overpriced (partly from demand, partly from a high initial price) no stocker will push 180hp without forced induction.

And Civics don't respond very well to forced induction. It's a well built engine, just not overbuilt enough for a turbo or a supercharger to make it as reliable as a DSM for example. Just gotta replace second gear, that's all.

Originally posted by 911GT2
no stocker will push 180hp without forced induction.

Alex, I'll take the del sol and the civic SiR both with the B16 for two hundred please.

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch


Alex, I'll take the del sol and the civic SiR both with the B16 for two hundred please.

Both of which are ungodly overpriced.

Originally posted by 911GT2


Aside from a GSR/Type R or a Prelude, both of which are disgustingly overpriced (partly from demand, partly from a high initial price) no stocker will push 180hp without forced induction.

And Civics don't respond very well to forced induction. It's a well built engine, just not overbuilt enough for a turbo or a supercharger to make it as reliable as a DSM for example. Just gotta replace second gear, that's all.
Since when are GSR's overpriced???? ITs b/c there superiorly built automotives.

On the contrary most civic's come stock with reinforced ductile cylinder walls, due to the fact that they use a higher CR than most auto's. You can slap a turbo on a GSR and have it pushing well over 200 hp using 6 lbs of boost and no internal work. I don't know where your getting this 2nd gear replacement crap (the car takes way more work than that) and there reliability is awful. From speratic spool to manifold problems those things take a shit fast, don't believe me do some research the most reliable cars in the world arent Mitsubishi's. I'll give you a hint to who are though, it begins with an H and ends with an A.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

Since when are GSR's overpriced???? ITs b/c there superiorly built automotives.

On the contrary most civic's come stock with reinforced ductile cylinder walls, due to the fact that they use a higher CR than most auto's. You can slap a turbo on a GSR and have it pushing well over 200 hp using 6 lbs of boost and no internal work. I don't know where your getting this 2nd gear replacement crap (the car takes way more work than that) and there reliability is awful. From speratic spool to manifold problems those things take a shit fast, don't believe me do some research the most reliable cars in the world arent Mitsubishi's. I'll give you a hint to who are though, it begins with an H and ends with an A.

word :o

for wut u get outta a gsr/type r/lude it isn't over-priced at all. 8k (not the type r/lude, commenting on the gsr) for a car that will run low 15's outta the box an run w/ the best of them in auto crossing (w/ a capable driver that is), an that u'll be able to put over 200k miles on. o...add some leather seats, nice styling an all the other normal comforts of a nice ride, an ur lookin at a GOOD deal. i jus don't see the basis for ur comments 911GT2. yes, the prices are driven up a bit because of the demand, but since when is that a bad thing? in the large scale of cars, 8k is NOTHING.

o...an one last thing, the Del Sol VTEC is a quick little car that will only run u around 5-6k IF u can find one...keep that in mind also (since u can push it to 180 w/ out FI)

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

Since when are GSR's overpriced???? ITs b/c there superiorly built automotives.

On the contrary most civic's come stock with reinforced ductile cylinder walls, due to the fact that they use a higher CR than most auto's. You can slap a turbo on a GSR and have it pushing well over 200 hp using 6 lbs of boost and no internal work. I don't know where your getting this 2nd gear replacement crap (the car takes way more work than that) and there reliability is awful. From speratic spool to manifold problems those things take a shit fast, don't believe me do some research the most reliable cars in the world arent Mitsubishi's. I'll give you a hint to who are though, it begins with an H and ends with an A.

The 4G63 motor is extremelt overbuilt and there are no known problems with it. Their AWD system is also very good, no known problems. The second gear syncho is known to go out and make you grind second gear to dogshit. That is their only known problem. Yes, they take more maintenance, but that's worth it if you want power.

If you can tell me what a ductile cylinder wall is I'll give you a million dollars. Seemingly just another case of DOHC spouting off false information. I think you're talking about "sporadic spool" and all that means is that when you overboost the engine, it may spool too fast and put way too much boost into the engine. With a boost controller and a downpipe/wastegate those problems are gone. And those problems only occur when you shove a huge turbo onto it, never with the stock T25. And "manifold problems" is generic rhetoric. Show proof.

Hondas are reliable, but they have the one enemy of forced induction: high CR. The high revs don't always respond well to turbocharging either.

Originally posted by 911GT2
I don't think Hondas suck. I just think that to get 180hp out of a stock Civic (barring anything short of a JDM B18C transplant) you'll need forced induction. And Hondas generally don't respond well on the reliability front to forced induction.

Don't accuse me of not knowing my shit too ;)

And if you buy a car solely to do an engine swap, why not just buy the car the engine was swapped out of???

Because it would not be as fast. Images having a GSR and then imagen having a GSR in a cx hatchback. The cx hatchback would kick the GSR's ass. and handle better. Thank you I said my peace. You don't even need a 180 horses to be fast. MY friends N/A D16 sohc ran a 12.8 with 151 horses to the wheels.

Originally posted by 911GT2


The 4G63 motor is extremelt overbuilt and there are no known problems with it. Their AWD system is also very good, no known problems. The second gear syncho is known to go out and make you grind second gear to dogshit. That is their only known problem. Yes, they take more maintenance, but that's worth it if you want power.

If you can tell me what a ductile cylinder wall is I'll give you a million dollars. Seemingly just another case of DOHC spouting off false information. I think you're talking about "sporadic spool" and all that means is that when you overboost the engine, it may spool too fast and put way too much boost into the engine. With a boost controller and a downpipe/wastegate those problems are gone. And those problems only occur when you shove a huge turbo onto it, never with the stock T25. And "manifold problems" is generic rhetoric. Show proof.

Hondas are reliable, but they have the one enemy of forced induction: high CR. The high revs don't always respond well to turbocharging either.
its an iron ductile sleave jackass, in this case its part of the cylinder wall. I was reffering to sporadic spool is when the turbo spools whenever the hell it wants too. "sporadic- Occurring at irregular intervals; having no pattern or order in time."

I take it from your response you've never worked with a mitsubishi.

You say you own a honda yet I don't believe you, you badmouth them way to much to have ever owned one. Where you live honda's must cost as much as a skyline to mod, I'm never going to canada. A civic might set me back 90 g's. :rolleyes:

and i shall 3rd.

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch


I'm gonna second this motion.

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

its an iron ductile sleave jackass, in this case its part of the cylinder wall. I was reffering to sporadic spool is when the turbo spools whenever the hell it wants too. "sporadic- Occurring at irregular intervals; having no pattern or order in time."

I take it from your response you've never worked with a mitsubishi.

You say you own a honda yet I don't believe you, you badmouth them way to much to have ever owned one. Where you live honda's must cost as much as a skyline to mod, I'm never going to canada. A civic might set me back 90 g's. :rolleyes:

I'll take a pic if you want. But it's just a stock 2001 LX sedan. Big deal eh?