The Official: "There's no such thing as a dumb question about the McLaren F1" thread

Lets not forget the F1 was born a decade earlier.

Lets not forget the F1 was born a decade earlier.
So what Ultima GTR was made in 2005 and still beats many supercars of today around a track.

Some magazines say that Carrera GT and Enzo were only better than F1 in braking only some say they are better than F1 all around.

So various sources contradict each other.Rowan Atkinson said that F1 was better around track in Evo test of F1 vs Carrera GT.

R&T said that F1 handles like car on slicks in F1 vs F40 vs 959 race.F1 tested for skidpad was having mechanical issues and worn tires according to a friend of the owner(AnotherDunneDeal) of the car in this forum who has driven it for 3 days.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/288gto-f40-f50-enzo-laferrari/5925-enzo-mclaren-f1-2.html

And that 0.86g is what many people take advantage of in VS forums.


Only reason F1 is slow around a track is because it was made to be the ultimate road car not race car.But still if F1 could set faster lap time than Enzo on Bedford Autodrome then I think that is what matter.In the video ,the driver drifted it around some corners,so I think it may be faster with no drift.

In my opinion F1 gets less credit than what it deserves in many forums.

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fselldorff,
I have so many questions for you about the F1! Do you still check this thread?

Has anyone here driven the F1 on limit,how does it feel then?

Why is the F1 LM's 0-60 slower than Mclaren F1?

Today I visited wiki I saw 7:11 laptime for F1 in list of nurburgring,do you think is it possible for standard F1(I think LM and GT can do it),surprisingly one of the reference is of automotorundsport sweden.

Edit:One youtuber says that the laptime was announced by Matti Kyllonen.
http://www.automotorsport.se/artiklar/nyheter/20071116/varvrekord-pa-ringen-av-richard-goransson

And have anyone heard about 2010 update package for F1 in some forums,is it real?

Has anyone here driven the F1 on limit,how does it feel then?

Why is the F1 LM's 0-60 slower than Mclaren F1?

Today I visited wiki I saw 7:11 laptime for F1 in list of nurburgring,do you think is it possible for standard F1(I think LM and GT can do it),surprisingly one of the reference is of automotorundsport sweden.

Edit:One youtuber says that the laptime was announced by Matti Kyllonen.
http://www.automotorsport.se/artiklar/nyheter/20071116/varvrekord-pa-ringen-av-richard-goransson

And have anyone heard about 2010 update package for F1 in some forums,is it real?
For now, picking up on your last point - it wasn't real

Care to expand Greg as we all know that McLaren offer a variety of upgrades just not specifically as a set kit of upgrades more a case of pick and mix or correctly bespoke improvements that have been carried out to various owners cars over the cars lifespan.
OK I suppose the HDF Kit can be classed as a set kit of upgrades.

Sure, I seem to remember in ferrarichat and perhaps PistonHeads where this was debunked by an F1 owner - possibly Flemke - will try to locate the piece unless someone beats me to it

Sure, I seem to remember in ferrarichat and perhaps PistonHeads where this was debunked by an F1 owner - possibly Flemke - will try to locate the piece unless someone beats me to it

Ah yes, I remember that: SlideShare - Mclaren F1 2010 Upgrade Package (http://www.slideshare.net/mikes277/mc-laren-f1-2010-upgrade-package)

In summary, it was a document thoroughly outlining a factory-backed overhaul of the Mclaren F1 to bring it technologically up to speed with modern (2010 era) supercars. All a work of fiction, although I applaud the the creativity and thought that was put into it.

Hello chaps, happy to see you still being active here, and to read your posts!

Below is a facebook link for the design conference that is being held this weekend in Zagreb. Peter Stevens is attending it and will be a lecturer and panelist, among other known transportation designers and engineers.
http://www.facebook.com/automotivedesignconference/?fref=ts

He was there last year also, and got into a very nice 20 minute chit-chat with him, and even got a photo with him. :)

So, to be in the spirit of this thread, is there any (dumb :P) question you would like me to ask him?

Cheers!

Ask Peter which of his designs he is most fond of still and also ask which car he prefers the styling of more - the McLaren F1 or the Jaguar XJR-15, which is also a product of his talents.

>8^)
ER

Hi Erik, thanks for a quick reply. I just found time to post how has it been at the auto(R) event...

He held a lecture under a name: " The business of going fast - 50% fun and 50% very serious". The presentation started with video of Andy Wallace speeding in XP5 at Ehra- Lessien, going flat out until he reached 391km/h.

He wanted to connect an anegdote with this video, where Andy, his great friend, called him on telephone when Peter was in Germany to say to him he was not happy with how car behaved in 200-250 km/h range during earlier testing.
At that point, Peter was all ears and was under a great pressure because of possible negative outcomes if tune was not done properly. So, he told him to check the tire alignment and some "other bits". Andy positively replied and the rest is history. :)

Some of his work where he had fun were with XJR15 and MG. His "serious" work were F1 and very serious with BMW in '99. Of course, he was serious with all of his designs and ideas, and that was precisely what I asked him in front of an audience: "where did you have more fun, at TWR/Jag or McLaren?"
He happily replied that it was a better atmosphere at TWR/Jag, eventhough the funds and time were limited. At McLaren, which was at that time purely a motorsport company, he was their "alfa and omega" regarding his automotive industry and design experience.

He talked about how he approached his every project very seriously (in terms of form follows function and in aerodynamics terms) and comparing it with some examples of design failure that happened at that time.

For example, when he was with BMW for its V12 LMR Le Mans endeavour, he reminded us (the audience) of catastrophic events at LM '99 with Audi...

Of course, he was not the only lecturer. This year Philip Nemeth and Adriano Mudri (of Rimac automobili) attended and lectured... Check out Rimac automobili if you haven't already. :)

Had a great time as always. It would not have been like that if Peter Stevens wasn't regular guest, to the extent he us not a guest, but a friend of the event...

He is so outgoing, communicative and really likeable person with so many knowledge and what is more important, he wants to share it with everyone and help.

Last year we talked about his enrolment with Harrods team and David Price Racing at LM and why did Kokusai Kaihatsu actually won, ahead of other McLarens. It was because the #01R ran with some not before tested part of suspension, which happened to endure just enough to the end of the race.


This is me with Mr. Stevens last year. Could not replicate the photo this year because he was so busy with other people. It was unfathomable, to grasp I met a creator of a car that is in top 3 of my favourite cars, with Lusso Berlinetta and F50 the other two. I hope you can see the photo.

http:// https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=14E879057DF394A8!627&authkey=!AKnzbxoQ5kEY_Jo&v=3&ithint=photo%2cjpg

Plus, this is my flickr album from this years auto(R) event. I kindly ask you to go and see it. :) https://flic.kr/s/aHskw8EEoy

Thanks for reading.

Today I browsed in some of the forums.People claim that F1 was tested against F50 at estoril,F1 lapped suzuka in 2:30.So my question is whether this is true or just some fake data.As to my knowledge F1 was never tested against F50 in the same day.

By the way this was the forum I was talking about.
https://translate.google.co.in/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-TW&u=https://www.ptt.cc/man/FORMULA1/D70D/D8C3/M.1155307624.A.B67.html&prev=search

No need to prove nothing, if we are talking about F1. Doesn't matter how quick it is or is F50 quicker what ever track it will be.

F1 won Le Mans, 40% racecar modification. Simply said ; it could have been driven to Woking from Le Mans after the race.
That tells everything, no need to try how quick it is example Nurburgring or Spa or Estoril or Suzuka.

:)

As far as I know,only track where F1 and F50 lapped is tsukuba where F1 was quicker even when the conditions were not ideal for hot lapping.As far as Estoril lap goes,it is faster than a corvette ZR1 when tested by Turbo mag.
Tsukuba times
F1 1;04.62 F50 1;05.81
Estoril time
F1 1:55.9 Zr1 1:56.42

Since you guys know much more about F1 than I would ever know,I wanted to make sure if the info I read was correct.

Do you guys know anything about Mclaren launching a new F1?What do you think of this project?
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mclaren-f1

McLaren are not launching "a new F1", but it is correct that MSO is working on what I believe is called 'Bespoke Project 23' which will feature a 3-seat chassis with a layout similar to that of the F1, and should use the M840TT drivetrain that will be revealed in the upcoming 650S replacement. I think it is a great idea and the high level of interest from potential customers seems to confirm that opinion.

>8^)
ER

McLaren are not launching "a new F1", but it is correct that MSO is working on what I believe is called 'Bespoke Project 23' which will feature a 3-seat chassis with a layout similar to that of the F1, and should use the M840TT drivetrain that will be revealed in the upcoming 650S replacement. I think it is a great idea and the high level of interest from potential customers seems to confirm that opinion.

>8^)
ER



Somewhat that will be unveiled in May 2017 to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the F1?:wink:

McLaren will have something new to unveil in Geneva in March 2017, but I don't believe they'll be quite ready to show off this 3-seat MSO project quickly enough to make the 25th Anniversary of the F1's Monaco reveal.

>8^)
ER

Anyone who knows details about this test on F1. Never seen this one before.https://www.germancarforum.com/attachments/image-jpg.375962/

This looks like an issue of the Japanese 'Car Graphic' Magazine featuring Chassis #016 (Perhaps Road Test #364).

Thanks for bringing that up. I just found a clip of Car Graphics 45th Anniversary 周年記念動画 Special Movie featuring XP5 and #016 in great quality seeing that this content is not new :).

Start the video at 1:48 and you will see #016 back in 1995: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloUxtXob8c

I would like to see more scans from the article though as this attachment is the only one I could find.

FYI Car Graphic Magazine Japan had a short clip on youtube featuring #053 and I downloaded it. However the clip is deleted from youtube and that file got lost on my old laptop. If anyone knows anything the episode featuring #053 I would love to hear the news :confused:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QloUxtXob8c

Hey guys, I have a questions for anyone that may have sat in an F1. Depending on the picture you look at, the chassis spars on either side of the driver seat seem to sometimes look like they are completely vertical inside and outside of the spar, but other pictures make it appear that the outside of the spar is vertical, and the inside is slightly angled such that the spar is narrower at the top than the bottom. And other picture still make it seem that maybe the spars are vertical inside and outside outside of the footwell, and becoming angled inside the footwell. Does anyone know what the spars actually do? Thanks for all your help!

The sidewalls of the chassis spars are vertical or very near vertical on both sides.

I'm sure they provide some torsional rigidity to the monocoque, but they are also utilized for routing things like the shift cables, wiring harnesses, and radiator pipes through the chassis.

>8^)
ER

Thanks Erik:iceslolan, most of the pictures i can find show, and intuition says that they should be vertical for the most torsional (edit: actually bending not torsional) rigidity to the chassis, and though they could benefit locally, from a stability stand point, if they are slightly angled. Although increasing the angle means increased material, and increased material means increased weight, and i am pretty sure we know Mr. Murray's thoughts on adding weight. The main reason I ask, is because the picture of the care being assembled which show the front bulkhead without the crash structure installed show the mounting points for the crash structure to appear as though the inside is angled, and the outside is vertical. See the pictures below:

There may well be a slight draft angle to both vertical sides of something like 2 degrees to aid removal from the mold as is usually the case on molded parts but strength wise vertical is best. You would barely notice the 2 degrees anyway. They do appear change section at various stages along their length as well as direction mainly around the Tank housing and forward of the passenger foot-wells. I have no doubt Le-Man can clarify things further or even correct any misconceptions.

...most of the pictures i can find show...

When you said "inside" I thought you were referring to the exterior walls closest to the driver, with the outside walls being closest the passengers. I didn't realize you were talking about those internal walls, so please excuse my inadvertent error there.

>8^)
ER

When you said "inside" I thought you were referring to the exterior walls closest to the driver, with the outside walls being closest the passengers. I didn't realize you were talking about those internal walls, so please excuse my inadvertent error there.

>8^)
ER

I think you and I were talking about the same thing. The "inside" of the spar being the the part running along the driver seat rails (blue arrow of attached), and the "outside" being the part closest to the passenger's inside leg (red arrow of attached). I attached the two pictures showing the front bulkhead because it seems to show that the "inside" of the spar is tilted over at like a fairly exaggerated 5 deree-ish angle as opposed to what I believed to be vertical, or close to vertical. Perhaps carbuilder is right in that the profile changes thoughout the length of the spar, from close to vertical near the driver seat, but gradually becoming more angled inside the driver footwell...

With all the talk of "continuation" cars (I am looking at you Ferrari 250 GTO)...I wonder not so much of a continuation, but if McLaren were to produce a McLaren F1 today, using today's manufacturing techniques and knowledge, how much lighter could they make the same car today. By same car, I mean same strength and stiffness for the chassis and suspension, same horsepower out of the N/A engine, same body and everything. With carbon weaves getting more efficient, and our knowledge of lay-up getting better. Epoxies are getting stronger and lighter, and our use of them becoming more efficient with respect to keeping the strength to weight optimal. The wide spread adoption of materials like nomex honeycomb instead of aluminum honeycomb, I would imagine they would not have any trouble meeting the 1000 kg target they had originally set out to hit. I would also imagine that they could probably significantly reduce the unsprung mass using modern tech too, like carbon fiber wheels, new tire technology, and brakes. It is certainly fun to think about what is possible today, if the regulations were still as they were in 1992. Thoughts?