R35GTR-the suspense is over?

Is this true or is it another speculation? The new GTR due for 2005 will have a 3.3 litre V6 TT engine churning out 4OO plus hp. The car will be based on the G35 Infinity Coupe and engine will be closely based on the 350Z. Torque will be 500Nm flat from 2OOO to 5OOOrpm. It will have GTR AWD system and an array of electronics will control everything including elimination of turbo lags.It also won't be that more expensive than the 34 and NISSAN plan to market it all over the world - hooray for the Yanks...:D
True?

Wow!

interesting facts... and should be true...

didn't japan decide to drop the "gentleman's" agreement about the hp ceiling as well?

yay for us yanks too bad i cant drive:D o well anyways hasnt a V-6TT been speculated on for a long time but what ever its still good news if its true i want the RB26DETT back:(

consider that the rb is a pretty old engine, and is, as admitted by most skyline fans to be outdated, though a great motor to work on...

seeing what nissan is doing and how much effort they're putting into the motor, the tt motor will be a spectacle... there's a thread about it in the jgtc forum...

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t38794.html

Actually, I read about the new GTR in an Australian mag called MOTOR in its Jan edition. Also reported was the fact that a not so heavily disguised R33 GTR fitted with 19inch wheels and active suspension was seen being driven by NISSAN man Dirk Schoysman recently at the Nur track.
The long wheel base of the R33 - in fact the 33 is the longest GTR - gives a clue as to the overall size and dimensions of the new GTR. The active suspension is also a dead giveaway.
So goes the rumour mills.......

Sounds good to me :D

R34 GT-R SKYLINE : A V6TT has been speculated for a while now, the only question has been, what size ;)

*Edit*

Ahem, R33, do you know if it's actually an R3* car or is it going to just be the GTR?

The mag says it's gona be called R35 GT-R...that's it...no Skylines for you!

The skyline and GTR names have been split up.

so you've either got the skyline model or the GTR there is not Skyline GTR anymore.

and I thought it was going to be called the V35 GTR rather than the R35 as it's not being powered by an RB series engine anymore.

Ok IMO the new r35 engine will be a TT version of the already amazing 3.5L found in the 350Z. I see no point in developing another engine when they already have such a perfect one it would be a waste of money.

Originally posted by Neutrino
Ok IMO the new r35 engine will be a TT version of the already amazing 3.5L found in the 350Z. I see no point in developing another engine when they already have such a perfect one it would be a waste of money.

I woundn't call that motor perfect bu any stretch of the imagination. The RB is a tried and true warrior and iti s reputation for being able to produce huge hp numbers with actually little mods to speak of and on pumped gas.

R33.

Did the mag quote the R33 GTR as having the longest wheel base?

all i know is as soon as the skyline makes it over here... its mine!

ive been waiting for it to make its retail debute for a LONG time

Now if it happens than I am sure that Nissan has a reason for doing so. But what is the point in using/developing a new engine i.e. VQ33. . . when nearly every Nissan from the Pathfinder to the G35 is using the current VQ35???? Seems like a waster to me!!! Any way isn't the VQ33 the previous engine used in the Maxima and Pathfinder? If so than it is really not new is it???

Raven I may be wrong but it sounds like you are complaining?! Uh, 400+hp please don't complain. This is the greatest recent news in automobile history!:flash:

Maybe the Nissan engineers know a little more than we do, for god sake they did give us the GTR to begin with:D

Please, don't misunderstand my previous comment. I am not complaining, 400bhp would be very very nice. I am a Nissan man at heart, but the new GTR or whatever maybe called will really have to reach a new level to compete with the competition as well as my wallet. I do not discriminate between imports or domestics, we are a Corvette family for example. The new GTR will have to compete with the ZO6 in standard form for me to be really intereted. Of course I am referring to stock numbers with no aftermarket tuning.

But tuning is 3/4th's the fun. :)

I dont think there ever will be a skyline sold in the US, thats what they said about a year ago before they came out with a new infinity, i saw every wherre that it was suppose to be the skyline but it wasnt

Well, I get them impression the VQ series engine in the Skyline will have completely forged internals, so changing the stroke to make it 3.3 liters doesn't make it a different engine.

Anyhow, it's got half a liter of displacement over the RB26, so that gives it a little more room to work with. Also, the V6 is technically a superior design to the I6, being more compact, notable much shorter, allowing better polar moment of inertia, as well as weight distribution.

All I got to say is holy crap, and also I have been hearing everywher it WILL be sold in the U.S., but at a lofty price. I wonder if you will have to order them or if they will be sold in enough numbers to buy one from a dealership. Maybe a situation similar to the ZO6 (Corvette)

Originally posted by raven1822
Now if it happens than I am sure that Nissan has a reason for doing so. But what is the point in using/developing a new engine i.e. VQ33. . . when nearly every Nissan from the Pathfinder to the G35 is using the current VQ35???? Seems like a waster to me!!! Any way isn't the VQ33 the previous engine used in the Maxima and Pathfinder? If so than it is really not new is it???

Making a VQ33 isn't a very big deal. I'll explain: There was the original VQ30DE to start with, making its debut in the 1995 Maxima. Before that, it had been developed for normally aspirated use in a German touring series.
For the 2001 Pathfinder, the VQ30 was stroked by .3L and then bored by.2L(might be the opposite). Voila! You get the VQ35. To get a VQ33, all you do is change either the bore of the stroke when the block is machined. You aren't developing a completely new engine. Maxima owners with VQ30s are starting to experiment with this too, hoping to use the VQ35's crank.

Edit: I almost forgot. It makes sense for the new GT-R to be called the R35, keeping the traditional chassis designation. If you look at the new 350Z/Fairlady Z, you'll notice that even though they are based on the new platform, they are still called the Z33, which was the next step up from the Z32 300ZX.

Originally posted by raven1822
The new GTR will have to compete with the ZO6 in standard form for me to be really intereted. Of course I am referring to stock numbers with no aftermarket tuning.

And I'm sure it will, all of the previous GTRs R32-34 compete, and with say 90 extra horses, reduced (or for all practical purposes eliminated?) turbo lag, the next generation of AWD, and possibly a more torquey engine? I'm sure it will be more then competitive. Perhaps even close to Viper land :D

Originally posted by Cbass
Well, I get them impression the VQ series engine in the Skyline will have completely forged internals, so changing the stroke to make it 3.3 liters doesn't make it a different engine.

Anyhow, it's got half a liter of displacement over the RB26, so that gives it a little more room to work with. Also, the V6 is technically a superior design to the I6, being more compact, notable much shorter, allowing better polar moment of inertia, as well as weight distribution.


I was thinking the same thing. I don't know why some poeple still want the old RB26 engine which don't get me wrong was an awesome angine but the new VQ35 is completelly superior.

Originally posted by Cbass
Anyhow, it's got half a liter of displacement over the RB26, so that gives it a little more room to work with. Also, the V6 is technically a superior design to the I6, being more compact, notable much shorter, allowing better polar moment of inertia, as well as weight distribution.

I always thought that the consensus was that i6 was better than v, its only downfall being a long size. 2 less camshafts, the balancing in only two directions really, and a lot smoother. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Will all new skylines be twin turbo or what is the setup on that?

Originally posted by Pick
Will all new skylines be twin turbo or what is the setup on that?


Yeah most likelly TT version of the VQ35

A big VQ engine+turbo= NUTTY:eek:

i know that the hp limit in japan is 280hp?
did they cahnge that?:confused:

As much as people like it in America, why don't they sell it here? I would think there would be a market for it, unless they are forced to bring the price up to like 90,000. So many people drool over it, I must be missing a complication here.

Originally posted by supratuner
I dont think there ever will be a skyline sold in the US, thats what they said about a year ago before they came out with a new infinity, i saw every wherre that it was suppose to be the skyline but it wasnt Paying attention to exactly what you just said, the "Skyline" is the G35 which we already have. The GTR will be a worldwide car when it's introduced which means you will see it here. It's not a rumor anymore it will happen.

Originally posted by DeViL
As much as people like it in America, why don't they sell it here? I would think there would be a market for it, unless they are forced to bring the price up to like 90,000. So many people drool over it, I must be missing a complication here.

For one thing, there may not have been enough people who could actually afford a new Skyline for Nissan to consider offering it here.

I know emissions was a factor. The R34 GT-R was discontinued because it wouldn't meet Japan's new emission standards, and theirs are not as strict than ours in the U.S. Same for the S15 Silvia.

Additionally, it may not have been worth Nissan's time to develop a lhd setup for the chassis. Allegedly, a lhd setup would interfere with the positioning of the turbos.

Originally posted by VQuick
Allegedly, a lhd setup would interfere with the positioning of the turbos. Actually there is a few R34's that have had the left hand drive conversion done, the idea that the turbo's would interfere was just a rumor. There were some photos on freshalloy.com's forum a while back of someone that had done it, if you do a search I'm sure you could come up with them. Also emissions aren’t that much of a factor, the conversions done to the RB26 by Motorex makes the GTR 100% smogable. People that own R34's converted by Motorex have to smog them every 2 years here in California just like everyone else. One could argue that means the RB26 could have been mass-produced to meet our tough smog requirements without missing out on any of the Hp figures or the tuneability. So technically if Nissan wanted to, we could have had the GTR's.

You have to remember they have never sold the skyline here, not bringing it over to America was more of a tradition then anything else. Plus if you remember the early 90's Japanese sports cars were dying. The 300z, Supra and 240sx's (aka Silvia) all got the chop because they weren’t selling well, I think that played the biggest factor in not giving it to us. If you were running Nissan and you just watched the Japanese sports car market die would you bring it over? There was just no reason to believe it would sell here.

At last though, we will get the new GTR so worry not. Good things are coming :)

The assertion that the R34 never came stateside for smog reasons is ludicrous. The reason is Weak sales! Nissan hadn't crash tested, smog tested, or made a left hand drive model of this car early on, and were not going to do this late in the game on a car with dwindling appeal. (Sales figures were plumeting in Japan since the R34 was introduced. Probally due to the failing economy.)

Besides, for Nissan to make all these changes late in the R34 saga would have cost a fortune. How would they have avertised it here in the US? Like the NSX? "It costs a fortune folks and it's only got 275 Hp! Who will be the first person to plop down their $80,000?"

New R35 GT-R

As for the new R35 GT-R. I believe it's coming soon as a world car. It will esentially be the G35 coupe with all the goodies and some sheetmetal changes. I would not expect it for under $65,000. My guess would be closer to $80,000. There is not another AWD 440 HP car in the US for under $80,000.

It will have to price in at more than the Z06. As the Z06 is actually a realatively cheap car to build. The GT-R will be more complicated with it's AWD, twin turbos, and HICAS. Not to mention it will be imported from Japan. So import fees and tarriffs will put it higher than any domestic supercar. Just my 2 cents.

Damn is there gonna be a waiting list for this machine! Lucky bastards!

Al

Originally posted by Pick
Will all new skylines be twin turbo or what is the setup on that?

No No, The Skyline or Infiniti G35 for you yanks is non turbo.

The new GTR(no longer called a skyline) is the twin turbo model.

considering that the gentleman's agreement doesn't sit over here in the states...

they would be able to advertise the actual hp if they wanted... and everyone knows it would be higher than... cough... 280.

the agreement, from what i've heard, has been lifted. and it wasn't an hp limit... it was simply a statement that no company would list the hp over 280. we all know better in the real world...

smog is a big reason it never came. as well as the fact that it would have to be crash tested, etc. pricey.

it wouldn't be an 80k car over here either.

it's not an 80k car there. most of the "us" pricing is b/c of the testing and what not that is required to get it smog legal over here. and the motorex monopoly.

we are supposed to get a tt 400hp skyline gt-r though. everyone is supposed to, b/c, as stated, the "280 limit" has been dropped

Originally posted by flylwsi

the agreement, from what i've heard, has been lifted. and it wasn't an hp limit... it was simply a statement that no company would list the hp over 280. we all know better in the real world...


Right O', I think the agreement was that the manufacturers wouldn't "advertise" their cars as having more then 280 hp. It's kind of funny when you think about it. All the competitive Japanese cars just "happen" to be advertised at almost exactialy 280 hp :hehehe: GTRs, Supras, 22Bs ect ect.

It's even funnier when you actually put these cars on a dyno :D

While a rumor I think this is very true. A while back I read that the RB26DETT will be gone (due to money problems) and a VQ30DETT will go in it's place, that is being tuned by Cosworth while the suspension is being tuned by Lotus.

I, like many of you, was jumping out of my chair and doing backflips when I heard that they will bring the GTR over to the US. Then I began to think, what will the pricing be? After reading many of the replies here on this thread it got to my attention that if Nissan price the car around $80,000 who the hell is going to buy it? That is WAAAAAYYYY above the income I have, it's supposed to be a sports car? What kind of crap is that? That price is more near the bentley or ferrari but a Nissan?
Don't get me wrong I love Nissan, I own a Maxima and love every aspect that is the company. But 80,000? No way, if I had that money I would be smart about it and buy myself an Infinit G35 or Nissan 350 Z and with like the 40 or 50 thousand left just pump it up with NOS and it will easily reach the 400 hp that the GTR has.

Let me repeat again so that no one misunderstands what I am saying and they begin to kick my ass.
All I am saying is that it's a little to pricey for the majority of the people in the middle class. You would have to be slightly rich or have stock in wall street in order to get that kind of cash.
I love Nissan, their engines and especially their cars. My family has had a number of their cars and they have never failed on us(the engine I mean), but I personally don't like the price of the car, even if it does have 400 hp.

If the current R34 GT-R sold for close to $60k in Japan, then it is reasonable to believe that the new one will be slightly more expensive. The GT-R will be competeing for market share in a very small market! Nissan/Infiniti won't be able to sell very much volume, because it is a niche market car (read expensive and powerful) so that will also drive up the price. If it is evrything that it is rumored to be then there surely there won't be anything similar to it for under $80k. Only the Porsche Carrera 4 turbo will come close. This is certainly not a car aimed at the masses! Hell even the 400hp Mustang Cobra is up over $35,000 for a McPherson strutted, old style Ford platform.

What did the R34 GT-R V-SPEC II go for in Japan new off the lot, in US dollars?

From what I know, a new R34 sells for about 5 million yen which is about USD 4Ok or thereabout. The news is, although the R35 has new engine etc, it wud be priced jsut about the same with the R34. So hopefully it is not gonna be that expensive in the US.
Right O', I think the agreement was that the manufacturers wouldn't "advertise" their cars as having more then 280 hp. It's kind of funny when you think about it. All the competitive Japanese cars just "happen" to be advertised at almost exactialy 280 hp GTRs, Supras, 22Bs ect ect. It's even funnier when you actually put these cars on a dyno
Yeah Gonthz...tell me about it! It is even funnier around the Nur!:D and a VQ30DETT will go in it's place, that is being tuned by Cosworth while the suspension is being tuned by Lotus
Ermmmmmmm........:confused:

R33, I say 10K US to the price of the R34 GT-R V-SPEC II and you have the price of the R35. NO way I could afford that car for a while, unless I saved up, starting now (I'm just about 16). Even then it would take a good 10 years maybe for me to work up that much cash money. O well, I can test drive:D.

Ok one thing to remember is that the decisions about any Nissan cars are made by a french guy from renault.They own nissan and got it out of banckrupcy. Also IMO i like the cars that they are pushing trough nissan. For one thing the french totally suported the introduction of the 350Z and the G35 and look at the response. Also it seems that they are pushing the new GTR(or skyline or whatever name doesn't mater). So even if the japanse never wanted to bring their skylines here they pretty much have no saying.So go renault for bringing it here.


BTW i say lets not call the G35 as skylines cuz that would cause confusion.


Also i expect the new R35 to be in the mid 40k $ in vette teritory instead of the 80k which is where exotics start.

Originally posted by Neutrino
i expect the new R35 to be in the mid 40k $ in vette teritory instead of the 80k which is where exotics start. I'm more or less with you, my guess is 50k'ish. I deffinatly don't think it's going to be an 80k car.

Ok one thing to remember is that the decisions about any Nissan cars are made by a french guy from renault
Yeah...the name is Carlos Ghosn, who wants the GTR to be a worldwide car.
I'm more or less with you, my guess is 50k'ish
I think so too.

Originally posted by Neutrino
Also i expect the new R35

V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine :(

Originally posted by tazdev
You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine :( Whow, I hadn’t thought of that.

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine :(


Was really the R from the RB engine?

My biggest fear is that the car will end up in Acura NSX territory . . . which is a niche car if I have ever seen one. Not for everybody but for somebody.

That being said I would think that it is safe to say that the GTR will be competition for such cars as the new C6 when it arrives, the new SRT Viper, 911's and perhaps the new NSX. But remember it is still a Nissan so I do not see it being priced quite as high as the Viper and Carrera. Yes you could make the arguement that NSX is still a Honda but you have to be thoughtful of the time it was developed and the techniques used for it. The GTR is indeed a technically diverse car but the technologies used in it are not necessarily new and are not quite as far fetched by todays standards as were those used on the NSX 11 years ago. So hopefully the GTR's technology will not be an excuse to jack up the price.

Furthermore, who has made the GTR popular in this country. The younger generation has. I do not recall seeing to many NSX, 911, Viper, or ZO6 owners doing a lot of posting on the Nissan or Skyline forums. If you take a poll more than likely you will get greater response from a "younger" crowd when asking about a GTR. My father has been in a Corvette club since 1976 and none of his colleques have a clue to what a Skyline or GTR is, go figure!!! Now I am sure there are those older car buffs that know exactly what a Sklyline is and everything about it but lets be honest. The popularity of the car has expanded greatly over the last 4 or 5 years. Do not foreget the effect that (and God forgive me) that Fast and Furious 1 and 2 have and will have on the car.

My point is, it would be foolish of Nissan to price the car at a level where no or very few American buyers ages 21-35 could afford such an awsome auto. Just remember who was buying 3000GT, RX7, and Supras 6 or 7 years ago. It was not 18 - 25 year olds. It is for that reason along with economy that those cars disappeard.

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine :(

shit I said that back on page one of this thread. obviously no one pays any bloody attention.

It's because we're all sidetracked by your avatar. :cool:

Originally posted by tazdev


V35.

You can't call it an R35 because it no longer has the RB engine :(

That doesn't have to be the case. The new 350/Fairlady Z, even though it has the VQ is still called the Z33, since it is the successor of the Z32 and Z31 VG-powered Zs.
The Maxima/Cefiro was the same way. The A31 models used a VG engine, and the A32 and A33 models use a VQ.
The B13 and B14 Sentras used the GA and SR engines. The B15 Sentras used them as well, until 2001, when they switched to the QG and QR engines. The current Sentra is still called the B15, instead of Q15 or something like that.
From these examples, it's pretty obvious that Nissan doesn't change the model/chassis designation just because the engine is different. In fact, why would they? The engine has nothing to do with the designation, because it refers to the chassis generation only.

So why shouldn't the Skyline be called the R35? After all, consider that the Skyline and GT-R marques are supposed to be separated from now on. The Skyline sedans may be called the V35, and the GT-R could still be called the R35.

Correction-A31 used the RB20 series engines in Japan.

In Australia/Carribean they used RB-24-S w.carburators.

Originally posted by raven1822
it would be foolish of Nissan to price the car at a level where no or very few American buyers ages 21-35 could afford such an awsome auto.Exactly, I think they understand the demographic of who is interested in it. It simply doesn’t make good business sense to price a car outside what your target audience can afford.

The realities of the new (R35) GT-R:

It is not and will never be aimed at the Nissan Skyline GT-R crowd! It is a world class supercar being targeted at the world market in the second coming of the muscle car era. It is Nissan Motor Companies aim at the brass ring in the supercar circus that all the big manufacturers are getting sucked into. Hell even VW has a 500hp supercar planned!

This car will be made to compete with legends like the 911 TT carrera 4, the Ferrarris, Vettes, and Vipers. It is not meant to be the cookie cutter answer to the vanilla sports car market in the manner of the 350Z. This car will be a heavy weight contender.

As for price, it is ludicrous to assume that it will be priced a mere 10 grand over the G35. Everyone is forgetting the complexities of research and developement and actual production. Take the Mustang Cobra and Corvette Z06. Both are merely engine Mods and slight suspension tweaks over the base model, yet cost $10,000 more. Ford and Chevy don't even really make any profit on these cars. It is for name recognition. If the GT-R is going to be a big change over the G35 (i.e. different sheetmetal, different interior, different engine and tranny, AWD, not to mention heavily tweaked suspension and computers) it is gonna cost big bucks. Add to that limited production and you get one whopper of a price! Not to mention you have to import it and all the headaches and hassles of emmissions compliance and what not!

Easily $60k maybe as high as $80k!

My 2 cents!

Al

Your have some valid opinions . . . but I hope you are wrong in that it will cost as high as 80K. I could deal with 60K but 80K is a bit high.

The mustang was already in production, ford knows what age group buys the stang, they don't need to do any experimenting or tweekin. Making a performace version of the stang is for recoginition only, so they can price it 10,000+. The G-R is a completely new car that is going world wide. It is a car in and of itself, seperate from other lines and isn't a performance version of another car. Nissian does want to make money on this car and isn't just for recoginition, why do you think they are making it a world car????? You don't have to send a car worldwide to make to get attention, look at the last 3 gen skylines. They never sold in the US and are HOT in the states. Also, do you thnk those mods to the stang really cost 10,000? They proably didn't. Why did ford charge so much for them??? Because it isn't a base model that needs to sell well. Chrysler could make a 500HP version of their town an country and sell it for half a million for all I care, it doesn't matter as that version of the town and country isn't want pulls in the green for that model of car. You get what I'm sayin?

Also, I, along with many people I know, feel that the definition of a muscle car is something that is powerful, stylish, and realitivly cheep, plus it is something that you will actually drive around town. If there is a second commin of the muscle car then companies will be putting out cars that aren't that expensive with good power, honda did it and so are a bunch of other jap car makers. All these cars are ment to be driven on the road as a daily driver, they aren't exotic italian cars that are really just shelf queens that you buy to show off the size of you wallet. The GT-R is no dought a muscle car, it looks good and has exelent potential. Pricing it at 80K+ is just stupid on nissian's part, they would never make money on it. You know what I could do to an STi with 40K (40K allocated for the cost of a new STi)? An STi with 40K into it could probably walk over a stock GT-R.

whoa there...
the gt-r isn't a car in and of itself.

never was.

it's a version of the skyline line.

the gt-r is the topend performance version. don't forget that older skylines don't all have awd. don't all have turbos. don't all have 2 doors. don't all have 6 cyl motors.

the gt-r will be the performance version of the current "skyline" which is the infiniti g35.

so... it won't be that expensive, the chassis here, crash tested and what not. it's not as completely different as everyone wants to make it.

everyone says "skyline is god", well, what about the 4cyl n/a 4 door that some guy in japan drives daily. is it god too?

no. it's about the gt-r. specifically. don't forget that

it's like the gt and cobra versions of the mustang... there's still a base model v6 down there too...

the gt-r isn't unlike the cobra or zo6 in that respect, as it's a version of the same car...

also... an STi and a gt-r aren't really in the same range of cars in the states...

pricing in japan is much closer, and there are countless versions of both cars over there.

do you know what i could do with 40k in a mustang to beat skyline? it's still not in the same category...

my "x" car with "x" amount of money will beat a car that costs 5 times as much. know what? it's still an "x" car.

sounds like a honda arugment. and it is. don't belittle the sti or gt-r with that argument.
they're both better than that.

Sorry about that, should have read up a little more.

As for the comparison, I was addressing Hellbent's commnt on muscle cars. Let me try to rephase this. What I mean to say is that I don't car too much about class, the G-R doesn't intrest me casue its a GT-R, it intrests me cause of what's under the hood and what it should be able to do on the track. Now, I wouldn't pay 80K for that car. Now back to the STi, if I put 40K ito an STi, could it out corner, out accelerate and just outperform a GT-R, maybe. Does it matter what class it's in?? No, it may still be able to beat the GT-R. If I race around a corse 5 seconds faster than you, no matter what car you've got, I still beat you, right?

This is how I'm thinkin, I think Nissian is thinking the same as well. Their playin off the reputation of the hig end performance skyline models of past generations. Correct me if I'm wrong but people bought these cars cause they were beasts on the track, right? I mean, One dude (don't remember his name), on this board beat a Mucerliago (can't spell the name) the ther day in a skyline. The total cost of the skyline was probably less that the Mucerliago. See what I'm tryin to say? This is just what I feel, not what nissian way do.