what is so great about a civic

they realy suck, you could only do so much to them, and for the same price of a new si you could buy a mustang that was realy meant to go fast. I guess that you civic racers are realy environmentally concius since this pieces of shiat run very clean with very low emissions. one more question why buy the car that was meant to be the gas economy family car, yes the same car that many mothers and grand parents use to take their kids to soccer practice. Oh yeah the good old tunning options did you know that for the same money that you guys waste to make this wonderfull turtles reach 200hp you could have made the same stang go well pass 350hp, just tryng to point that out. in my opinion civics are the worst investment as far tunningg cars go, they suck and i beg you please prove me wrong because all of you know that im right. peace i feel like looking at civics from my rear view mirror:cool:

well stated i just needed to add one thing nissan/infiniti rules
honda's sucks:flipa:

The thing about the civic is that they are fairly cheap, dependable, easy to mod., aftermarket support is strong. They are light which means power to weight ratio will help you out alot, they handle great.

Why wouldnt you buy a civic. Granted you could buy an SI for the same amount that you can buy a V6 mustang for.

The SI handles better, gets better gas mileage, You can easily make an SI out run a mustang becuase of all the aftermarket stuff that available.

I drove a 200SX it was even the Spec R (or whatever spec that is) a couple weeks ago. Let me tell you. It felt like a sled compaired to my EX. It was sloppy feeling, I just didnt like it at all. My girlfriends new
1.5L LX feels like it has more power and its only has 100 hp. The nissan has like 140 hp with 137 ft lbs of torgue (or something like that).. I was so disappointed in the 200SX it wasnt even funny. I wouldnt give you 10 cents for that piece of crap.

Give me a Honda anyday.

my main problem with the civic is the fact that there are millions of them every were down every street theres a civic i dont want a car that everybody else has and that you see everywere you go

i never mentioned my car to be the shit but civics are certainly not either, if i may they are probably worst

notice how nothing honda could never be better than anithing nissan NSX vs SKYLINE, skyline 2 to 1, man i love that car. prelude vs sylvia, sylvia 2to 1 , s2000 vs 300zx or new Z ,nissan again 2to1 we could go on till the roster is over and it would still show that nissan is better:frog:

CIVICS SUCK

The only thing is all those cars are Turbod.. Throw a Turbo on an S2000 and look what you have it would kick a 300ZX's ass all over the road..Honda doesnt build fast cars they build good cars. In the same light they also build cars that people love. Why wouldnt you buy a civic to tune (besides the fact that there are so many of them.) Engine swap is cake, or you can Turbo it, supercharge it, put nitrous on it. It doesnt matter. There are parts to do what ever you want to it.

Im not even going to talk about the Skyline cause that is the Car above all cars.. and thats just a different story..

The S2000 puts out more hp per liter then anyother NA car on the road. Its dumb even trying to compare a Turbo car to a NA car.

Im not bashing Nissans,I love nissan cars, or any other car for that matter. I dont think the civic is the best car in the world, cause personally I would rather have something else. But I dont. I agree that there are a ton of Civics running all over the place, but what can you do about it. Nothing. Since the Civic is a good car thats why you see so many of them on the road.

If you think civics suck then thats cool. You dont have to buy one. But whats the point of sitting here trying to argue something thats just an opinion.

notice how nothing honda could never be better than anithing nissan NSX vs SKYLINE, skyline 2 to 1, man i love that car. prelude vs sylvia, sylvia 2to 1 , s2000 vs 300zx or new Z ,nissan again 2to1 we could go on till the roster is over and it would still show that nissan is better..


where are you from 200 SX? Cuz here in the good ol USA, you can't go down the street to the Nissan dealership and pick up a skyline. You can't just go down the street to the dealership and pick up a sylvia. If you want to talk about USDM cars, put your crap box 200SX next to an SI and see what happens. Nissan/Infiniti can't hold a candle to Honda Acura. The only nissan I would even get into would be a 300ZX (not around anymore) and a '72 Datsun 240Z. Look at the strictly USDM cars, forget about those JDM cars you jerk off over.

Originally posted by Swonder67
notice how nothing honda could never be better than anithing nissan NSX vs SKYLINE, skyline 2 to 1, man i love that car. prelude vs sylvia, sylvia 2to 1 , s2000 vs 300zx or new Z ,nissan again 2to1 we could go on till the roster is over and it would still show that nissan is better..
where are you from 200 SX? Cuz here in the good ol USA, you can't go down the street to the Nissan dealership and pick up a skyline. You can't just go down the street to the dealership and pick up a sylvia. If you want to talk about USDM cars, put your crap box 200SX next to an SI and see what happens. Nissan/Infiniti can't hold a candle to Honda Acura. The only nissan I would even get into would be a 300ZX (not around anymore) and a '72 Datsun 240Z. Look at the strictly USDM cars, forget about those JDM cars you jerk off over.

your little SI statement is bullshit my infiniti g20 i can take a Si with no prob even with bolt on mods and a 200sx ser model will do the same easy then my g just because of the weight issue the silvias are the same a 240sx and 300zx there are still plenty around your dodging the issue by changein the subject can you honstly say a stock s2000 could beat a 96 300zx as far as the skyline statement in one year you can go and pick up a infiniti g35 which is a skyline without awd which will give a nsx a run if you really belive what you said your full of shit ive been around nissan and honda both i will admit honda makes a good car there are just to many of them out there and they all lack torque

They lack torque, but since Honda's are so light, torque isn't a problem. Sleepy, get outta this forum with your crap box G20 and get back to work. Isn't there a guy out there who needs his fries supersized?

Originally posted by Swonder67
, put your crap box 200SX next to an SI and see what happens. Nissan/Infiniti can't hold a candle to Honda Acura.

Well, I am going to pipe in my opinion here. I will give you my experiance with being lined up with a new Si. My car is a sedan, it is 7 years old. I just clocked over 140k on the odo. The only thing I have done to my car, is intake, and advanced timing. My friend here has a 00' Si, with intake, and exhaust, just clocked 18k. Beats me if he has messed with the timing. I can, on a regular basis, walk him off the line. If we are somewhere, like a freeway, then once we start hitting higher speeds (60-70mph) he will start to pull on me. Explain this?


As for you 200sx, I think you need to take a step back, and look at your godly 200sx. It is not exactly the worlds greatest car either. I am sorry to tell you this, but your car was not built for brute speed either. It was built to get good gas mileage, and be a low emissions car.

If I wanted a Mustang, I would have bought one.

Originally posted by Swonder67
They lack torque, but since Honda's are so light, torque isn't a problem. Sleepy, get outta this forum with your crap box G20 and get back to work. Isn't there a guy out there who needs his fries supersized?
you are one to talk what do you drive and how much was is whats ur stock horse and torque is what moves your car how stupid are you i know your a ricer but come on you have to have torque thats what makes you car move with out torque you could have a 200 horse motor in a shopping cart not that a civics much different is still willnot move and it doesnt seem like you have to much to say about my respone because i cumped you its okay you can admit it:finger:

thanks kb wonderin when another g guy would come in

your original question was, I believe: "why do you all buy/have those [insert evil statement] civics?"

I didn't buy mine for speed, for looks, or for tunability. I bought mine cuz the sucker was CHEAP! I still havn't spent the 8,500 dollars its worth yet and I've got mods (expensive one's) all over the car. No it can't beat a mustang to 60, but I have a website that shows a civic EX beats a mustang GT in quarter mile times. (civic 16.8 sec., 'stang ~17.2). now, I know there are WAY too many Civics on the road, and I feel kinda like I've got what everyone else has too, and it kinda sucks, but they are so much better cars than Nissan or anything else besides VW's that you would have to buy 2-3 of them in the span that you have a civic. Civics last 300,000 miles easy. You'd have to get a new Nissan every 100,000-200,000. That's why there are so many, they take so long before they get scrapped that they build up on the roads. Honda's also FEEL better than other cars. My civic feels like it was ment to be raced around. Other cars, well, Don't.

But it's mostly all opinions, so continue arguing if you wish, I don't see the point. I just answered your question, that's all.

Originally posted by 200sx
what is so great about a civic?They are inexpensive and reliable.

Originally posted by Darkwing
you would have to buy 2-3 of them in the span that you have a civic. Civics last 300,000 miles easy. You'd have to get a new Nissan every 100,000-200,000. That's why there are so many, they take so long before they get scrapped that they build up on the roads. Honda's also FEEL better than other cars. My civic feels like it was ment to be raced around. Other cars, well, Don't.



Ok, I think you need to rephrase the mileage question. I have a friend with a G20, that just broke 200k. The only major things he has had to replace were the clutch, and some oil seal. He still races it around. I Just sold a Nissan pulsar, that 246k on the clock. Granted it was getting tired, and could use a rebuild. It still ran great, never leaked oil, or burnt oil for that matter. I think both Honda, and Nissan motors are probably one of the best motors out there for reliability, if treated right.

Sleepy dawg,
I ain't no rice boy. As for your all powerfull G35, yeah, it'll be fast, but with a curb weight almost 400 lbs more than an S200, I'd take the S2000 anyday. And you were saying that all you see is Civics out there, and your G20 is all original. You ever stop and think why more people have civics, Integras and preludes, and not G20's. face it bro, your car wasn't built for speed. Granted, neither was mine. But there are more speed options for mine. More Turbos, intakes, exhasut options. And what do you got? a couple of $200 intakes, and a DET engine? Show me a door slammer G20 that can pull low 10's and I'll give the G props.

Originally posted by 200sx
CIVICS SUCK http://www.users.qwest.net/~bkc3/+junk/6thsense.jpg

Originally posted by Swonder67
Sleepy dawg,
I ain't no rice boy. As for your all powerfull G35, yeah, it'll be fast, but with a curb weight almost 400 lbs more than an S200, I'd take the S2000 anyday. And you were saying that all you see is Civics out there, and your G20 is all original. You ever stop and think why more people have civics, Integras and preludes, and not G20's. face it bro, your car wasn't built for speed. Granted, neither was mine. But there are more speed options for mine. More Turbos, intakes, exhasut options. And what do you got? a couple of $200 intakes, and a DET engine? Show me a door slammer G20 that can pull low 10's and I'll give the G props.
i will admit when it comes to after market there is alot more parts for civics then the g but dont say there is a couple of intakes how many do you need i only use 1 and there is a after market for the sr20de motor you just have to search its not like honda parts granted but just because theres not a 10 second g out there right now doesnt mean there wont be one a little while as far a exhuast i have a greddy great exhuast as long as the few chocies i have a quality i dont care

Originally posted by Swonder67
Sleepy dawg,
I ain't no rice boy. As for your all powerfull G35, yeah, it'll be fast, but with a curb weight almost 400 lbs more than an S200, I'd take the S2000 anyday. And you were saying that all you see is Civics out there, and your G20 is all original. You ever stop and think why more people have civics, Integras and preludes, and not G20's. face it bro, your car wasn't built for speed. Granted, neither was mine. But there are more speed options for mine. More Turbos, intakes, exhasut options. And what do you got? a couple of $200 intakes, and a DET engine? Show me a door slammer G20 that can pull low 10's and I'll give the G props.

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Originally posted by Darkwing
I've got what everyone else has too, and it kinda sucks, but they are so much better cars than Nissan or anything else besides VW's that you would have to buy 2-3 of them in the span that you have a civic. Civics last 300,000 miles easy. You'd have to get a new Nissan every 100,000-200,000. That's why there are so many, they take so long before they get scrapped that they build up on the roads. Honda's also FEEL better than other cars. My civic feels like it was ment to be raced around. Other cars, well, Don't.

But it's mostly all opinions, so continue arguing if you wish, I don't see the point. I just answered your question, that's all.
dude i had a datsun 280zx bought new by my dad raced it for almost 10 years i raced it for 3 over 350000 thousand miles they only thing that happend i messed up the clutch when i was learnign to drive thats all that ever happend nissan is just as reliable as any honda

Originally posted by Swonder67
They lack torque, but since Honda's are so light, torque isn't a problem. Sleepy, get outta this forum with your crap box G20 and get back to work. Isn't there a guy out there who needs his fries supersized?

Whats funny, is if you go to Swonder67's web site, he is sporting a nice, big, Infiniti logo on it. :)

yeah bro, did you look under project cars? i work on my friends G20 all the time, and peronally, I hate it. It's a 95 g20t, and even with the stiffer suspension, it still feels like it lags when it accelerates. Aight KB, you got my props. What mods you got on your car?

my 200 aint the shit but i still mange to beat civics, the most recent one a black si, wait isnt that the fastest civic, i dont understand why spend so much fucking money on a car that was not meant to go fast when you could save the money to buy a car that was meant to go fast and that in stock form could beat a moded civic. Yeah dumb people post here and they drive civics :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :flipa: :finger: :finger:

I used to have a 87 200SX V6. it was a tight car, until they changed it to basically be a two door sentra. 200, your car wasn't mean to go fast either. Man, I know since you're a rice boy, you think everyone in an import is racing you. You're the type that will pass a ferari driven by a 90 year old man and you'll say, "hell yeah, I just killed that ferarri." Loser. haha.

not realy

Originally posted by 200sx
my 200 aint the shit but i still mange to beat civics, the most recent one a black si, wait isnt that the fastest civic, i dont understand why spend so much fucking money on a car that was not meant to go fast when you could save the money to buy a car that was meant to go fast and that in stock form could beat a moded civic. Yeah dumb people post here and they drive

I was refering to your immature attitude. You act like a 16 year old mommas boy.

Originally posted by Swonder67
yeah bro, did you look under project cars? i work on my friends G20 all the time, and peronally, I hate it. It's a 95 g20t, and even with the stiffer suspension, it still feels like it lags when it accelerates. Aight KB, you got my props. What mods you got on your car?

Right now I am using my stock motor, with nothing else but an Intake. For my suspension setup, I have the KYB AGX/GC setup. I have a Jspec motor sitting in my garage, waiting to go in. I need to finish my civic before I move onto that. I plan on getting the JWT Nos setup to go into that.

Nice. So, you got the Sr20det waitin to go in, huh? Doyou have to get a new tranny to handle all the extra horses you're gettin?

Civics are already very well-made from the factory, and are 923645962135497362459235 times more reliable than other cars out there. Plus, the aftermarket support gives it an edge over other manufacturers, giving it an abundance of options, be it for show or for go. All this plus retaining bulletproof reliability.

So please, 200sx, no flaming towards civics in this forum. Keep it to the off-topic section (duh that's why we have them). :bandit:

Originally posted by Swonder67
Nice. So, you got the Sr20det waitin to go in, huh? Doyou have to get a new tranny to handle all the extra horses you're gettin?


No, its not the DET, just the Jspec SR20DE. It comes with a few more horsepower, slightly higher compression. I wouldnt mind a DET however. :)

Nice. are the parts fromt he USDM and the JDM sr20's interchangable?

Originally posted by Swonder67
Nice. are the parts fromt he USDM and the JDM sr20's interchangable?

Yes they are, for the most part. :)

sorry about that just trying to share my opinion, there is acompany in the us that sells the sr20det right now i dont remember the name, i wanted to put that into my car i think the price was 1400 dollars im not sure

Originally posted by 200sx
sorry about that just trying to share my opinion, there is acompany in the us that sells the sr20det right now i dont remember the name, i wanted to put that into my car i think the price was 1400 dollars im not sure

A good DET install, with motor should run about $2500. Unless you do it yourself.

i guess so but some guy in a magazine had a 480 hp 200sx with that engine and he had a lot of trouble blowing out tranys, this sucker was realy not meant to go fast:(

I read about a 490+ hp 200sx in a magazine once. Wow I wish I had one. :D

Originally posted by 200sx
i guess so but some guy in a magazine had a 480 hp 200sx with that engine and he had a lot of trouble blowing out tranys, this sucker was realy not meant to go fast:(
its hard for any ff car to lay down that kind of power im going for right around 300 to 350 the sr20det parts are interchanglable from a bluebird but not from the sunny gti's

Originally posted by Sleepy

its hard for any ff car to lay down that kind of power ...

Isnt that the truth. It takes a lot of money, time, and know how too....

What people forget is just because you have an I/H/E, you arent instantly a race car, and even if you do have a turbo, SC, or whatever it doesnt really matter if the car isnt tuned correctly. I think thats a lot of peoples problems they put turbos and stuff on and then expect it to go fast, and it just doesnt happen like that. By tuning the car you take it to its maximum ability, so instead of potential you now have what it can do.

but I have a website that shows a civic EX beats a mustang GT in quarter mile times. (civic 16.8 sec., 'stang ~17.2).

a Mustang GT? Yeah, that's it. Brand new mustang GT's do the quarter in about 14, try 17 for a V6. And another way that a mustang will own civics, etc, is with minor mods (adjusted timing, cat-back exhaust, forged pistons and crank along with 92 octane fuel) a twin-turbo 5.0 can put out 600-800 horsepower, for less money than trying to go anywhere near that mark with a civic would cost, or pretty much any other jap wagon, for that matter.

Originally posted by twidge


a Mustang GT? Yeah, that's it. Brand new mustang GT's do the quarter in about 14, try 17 for a V6. And another way that a mustang will own civics, etc, is with minor mods (adjusted timing, cat-back exhaust, forged pistons and crank along with 92 octane fuel) a twin-turbo 5.0 can put out 600-800 horsepower, for less money than trying to go anywhere near that mark with a civic would cost, or pretty much any other jap wagon, for that matter.
Please tell me you are from shitonhonda.com? If not check it out you would like it :)
Well I don't think anyone will argue, there are so many cars faster than Civics. We could spend days debating. I am an autoxer, I have friends with stangs V6/V8, and blown Camaros, you know why I have their respect, is because I don't argue about what is faster, that matters little. Although I can beat my friends 2k1 Stang V6 from 0-110MPH no problem, he also has an intake, exaust. I think that is unusual, butr that car is not really a sports car. Nor is my Civic. I have yet to see any stang take me in lap times autoxing. I think you'll agree that the stangs abilty to make its way through the twistes is not as good nor is the suspension archetechure, except on the higher end stangs, that double the Civics in price at 30-40k. I don't claim to be fast, I just like cars probably like you, and I want to make what I have better.

Yo twidge, you talk alot of ish for someone who's oinly been here for a day. Why don't you get on ur bike and pedal home. :flipa: :D

this is enough of this.

Originally posted by 200sx
they realy suck, you could only do so much to them, and for the same price of a new si you could buy a mustang that was realy meant to go fast. I guess that you civic racers are realy environmentally concius since this pieces of shiat run very clean with very low emissions. one more question why buy the car that was meant to be the gas economy family car, yes the same car that many mothers and grand parents use to take their kids to soccer practice. Oh yeah the good old tunning options did you know that for the same money that you guys waste to make this wonderfull turtles reach 200hp you could have made the same stang go well pass 350hp, just tryng to point that out. in my opinion civics are the worst investment as far tunningg cars go, they suck and i beg you please prove me wrong because all of you know that im right. peace i feel like looking at civics from my rear view mirror:cool:

MOST CIVICS AND THE GUYS THAT DRIVE THEM ANNOY ME! I DON'T NECESSARILY DISLIKE THEM, IM JUST TIRED OF THEM. I DO LIKE THE SI AND S2000! ONE THING I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON IS THE FACT OF GETTING A RUSTANG!!!!! UGGGGGHHHHH!

ANYWAYS, GO SR20DE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!