It can be done...

Hmm... i've been reviewing the topics and have reached a conclusion. The true enthusiests need to unite. Heres the situation:

1. Motorex crash tested all the models
2. They hold the results which you pay for a copy of to give to the DOT
3. They upgrade bumpers/misc stupid US stuff(dollars at most)
4. Emissions

Now imagine this: theres a huge following for US importation of skylines. All we need is a force, a strong website or company like AF or bigger to unite them, meet places etc. Eventually wealthy enthusiests may enlist. All we need is to crash test a couple of cars correct? And they are cars right out of Japan so they'd be decent priced and if mass donations were taken, it wouldn't be out of reach. Then in the mass of following, specialists in body and what not can research US DOT regulations and bang out the nessicary parts for impact and emissions.

I think it's possible to destroy motorex's monopoly if we unite as one, take donations. Sure it will cost some people money, maybe lots. Think about it. Buy a skyline from motorex, or convince someone who was going to to invest the extra money they would have spent in this. Sure sacrafices will be made, we may lose. Some may donate the money equivilent of a motorex skyline, but it would pave the future for others. i think hardcore enthusiests agree it's worth a shot.

Am i off on any info or barred in anyway? Or is this feasible? With the millions of car enthusiests around the world, if we tap magazines, websites, everything, we can do it. The problem is we on these forums have tapped a small portion of the true enthusiests willing to do this, but i know it would work. If we gather the wealthy, lawyers, body shop workers, everyone and anyone whos interested in these beautiful cars and can contribute and unite online or in some other fashion it could work.

whos with me?

btw, if we are at least giving this a shot (getting the word out and attempting a unite is free!), we need to organize a name, a message, everything on here, and have the same message and name submitted all over, that way we can ask IGOR to make a board wide announcement to everyone, and people can copy that msg to every magazine they know into the letters section, and everyone can spread teh word by mouth, if we unite as one we can do it. if you have 2 import rival groups in town, get together for the cause, drop the beef, we're all car enthusiests here and the only way we'll get this to work is if we become one.

so if you guys are go, and what i said above is workable, we can start immediatly and work on it right here and now.

*EDIT* Also unification and spreading of word is essential first. We need to unite people who are willing to start a business for this to take the donations and do the research and people to contribute in everyway before it can get off the ground. I know theres a skyline fan in every facet of the working class, we can do this if the word is out so lets work on that 1st.

Originally posted by Bryan8412
Hmm... i've been reviewing the topics and have reached a conclusion. The true enthusiests need to unite. Heres the situation:

1. Motorex crash tested all the models
2. They hold the results which you pay for a copy of to give to the DOT
3. They upgrade bumpers/misc stupid US stuff(dollars at most)
4. Emissions

Now imagine this: theres a huge following for US importation of skylines. All we need is a force, a strong website or company like AF or bigger to unite them, meet places etc. Eventually wealthy enthusiests may enlist. All we need is to crash test a couple of cars correct? And they are cars right out of Japan so they'd be decent priced and if mass donations were taken, it wouldn't be out of reach. Then in the mass of following, specialists in body and what not can research US DOT regulations and bang out the nessicary parts for impact and emissions.

I think it's possible to destroy motorex's monopoly if we unite as one, take donations. Sure it will cost some people money, maybe lots. Think about it. Buy a skyline from motorex, or convince someone who was going to to invest the extra money they would have spent in this. Sure sacrafices will be made, we may lose. Some may donate the money equivilent of a motorex skyline, but it would pave the future for others. i think hardcore enthusiests agree it's worth a shot.

Am i off on any info or barred in anyway? Or is this feasible? With the millions of car enthusiests around the world, if we tap magazines, websites, everything, we can do it. The problem is we on these forums have tapped a small portion of the true enthusiests willing to do this, but i know it would work. If we gather the wealthy, lawyers, body shop workers, everyone and anyone whos interested in these beautiful cars and can contribute and unite online or in some other fashion it could work.

whos with me?


I'm with you Bryan. Since I am already in Japan, I can easily scrounge up some skylines for the purpose of crash testing. They come a dime a dozen over here and are very cheap, especially in oki!:flash:

Bump!

hey all im sayin iz that, GOODLUCK if u do this... its gonna take a couple months to prepare and gettin pplz. im also helpin out so, thats one good thing, but wut can i do? thats the problem every1 is gonna ask u? rite, so goodluck on doin this thang.

This sounds very very good in theory, however once you start to do the research you find it will be very hard to get an actual list of what you have to do. But I'm with ya, I'll contribute what I know.

It costs $50,000 to run a single crashtest at the DOT's crash test center (Which is were you have to conduct it)
You must perform Frontal, Side, Rear, and Rollover tests (For sure, there may be more)

The following is a cut and paste of a previous post of mine to Sean from Motorex. The quotes are his questions, the replys are mine. Go here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14193&perpage=15&pagenumber=3) if you want to read that thread.

What are the California requirements for direct import vehicles?
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1. Health and Safety Code Section 44202 requires all used direct import
vehicles, not previously registered in California prior to 5.31.1988, to
submit a Certificate of Conformance before such vehicle can be
registered in Californis. H&S Code Section 44200 defines as a used
direct import as a 1975 or later model motor vehicle, not originally
intended for sale in the United States, which is at least two years old
2. Certificate of Conformance issued by a laboratory authorized by the
california Air Resource Board (ARB). For further information call the
ARB at 1 800 242 4450
3. Copy of the documentation showing modification cost
Additional fees will be due for license fees based on the modification
costs


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What is FTP testing ?
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FTP stands for Federal Test Procedure. This is refering to driving and Air-Conditioner Usage for Passenger Cars, Light-Duty Trucks, and Medium-Duty Vehicles Under 8,501 Pounds Gross Vehicle Weight Rating and their emissions. For example it was discussed on July 24, 1997 by the State of California Air Resources Board. Members present were:
Hons. John D. Dunlap, III, Chairman, Joseph C. Calhoun, P.E., Lynne T. Edgerton, Esq., William F. Friedman, M.D., M. Patricia Hilligoss, Barbara Riordan, Ron Roberts, and James W. Silva. (Just thought I mention them, you may know a few of them.



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How many miles is the drive cycle ?
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A drive cycle test is a function of the vehicle on board computer that includes the testing of the monitored systems that requires a start up -- from a cold engine to a warm engine -- and the vehicle being driven. I was unable to find a standerdised drive cycle test and from what I've read I'm lead to beleave that there is no set distance, only a group of conditions such as Speed, RPM, and the like. I may be wrong on this one Sean, please correct me if I am.
*Edit* 7.5 miles (6.8 for class I) both cold start and hot start



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What are the requirements of becoming a Registered Importer ?
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My computer has reciently crashed and I do not have Adobe Acrobat installed yet so I cannot read this page. However, I am sure it will list all of the requirements for becoming a RI. If it does not they could be found by calling the DOT at (202) 366-6018.
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules...o/Ripkg0011.pdf


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What is an ICI ?
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You've got me stumped on this one, the only thing I could come up with was Imperial Chemical Industries and I know thats not right


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What is the Skylines VCP number ?
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VCP numbers are eligibility numbers are assigned to vehicles that are decided to be eligible under 49 U.S.C. § 30141(a)(1)(B), based on a petition from a manufacturer or registered importer which establishes that the vehicle has safety features that comply with, or are capable of being altered to comply with, all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards. The Nissan Skyline GT-R and GT-S's VCP number is 17.

great information and help thanks everyone.

And it shouldn't be as difficult as you may think Gonthrax, and it's the same reason as before. If we get fans from every walk of life including those who specialize in crash testing (heck im sure we could get a couple who work high up at DOT), then it can become a reality.

So should we go forth with this, establish a name and a message, and do it?

I'll let this post ride out a little longer to make sure its worthy of at least our time in spreading the word, then we'll compile a message (like call to all specialists who can contribute and norms who can donate money etc) and establish who would take donations and other details.

Could you repost a correct url to the registered importers list please.
That link does not go to any list, it generates a message that says document cannot be found.

Thank you.

J

Originally posted by jimmythesaint
Could you repost a correct url to the registered importers list please.
That link does not go to any list, it generates a message that says document cannot be found.

Thank you.

J

Here (http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/ManInfo/Ripkg0011.pdf)

Hey i like that idea but you have to admit it is kind of riding on chance. If you want skylines here soon lets first try petitioning nissan to build an american model with the same stuff in a LHD model. If everyone in the forums here were to send a paper letter and an e-mail plus maybe a visit to there local dealer ship it might carry some weight.

Benefits:

Cheaper to own thanks to nissan's us plant
Repairs are much cheaper
Nissan would handle the crash testing
Warranties are valid

Plus i know we can rely on the people in the forums..................Right???

if everyone works their butt off and gets all their freinds in on it you have on hell of a backing. So why no give it a try it only costs about $0.33 and maybe some gas to get to the local nissan dealer. Soon you'll have salesman dissappointed that they couldn't sell you a car and asking their employerswhat this is all these people are talking about or asking when it's coming.

I'll send an addressed and stamped envelope to the first hundred to reply to this. Just drop me a line at [email protected]

And if a moderator could place this in a visible spot that would be helpful.

try these as contacts:

Nissan Consumer Affairs
P.O. Box 191
Gardena, CA 90248
(800) NISSAN-1 (or 800-647-7261)
9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Eastern / Central Time
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time
Monday through Friday

maybe a phone call would help too. Hey it's free!

I can't find an e-mail address on nissan's (of North America) web site but there is a form you can fill out here:

http://www.nissandriven.com/global/contactus/ContactUsApplication/1,9375,,00.html

At least give it a try i will

:oI Can't stop thinking about

Originally posted by Firewolf
Hey i like that idea but you have to admit it is kind of riding on chance. If you want skylines here soon lets first try petitioning nissan to build an american model with the same stuff in a LHD model. If everyone in the forums here were to send a paper letter and an e-mail plus maybe a visit to there local dealer ship it might carry some weight.

Benefits:

Cheaper to own thanks to nissan's us plant
Repairs are much cheaper
Nissan would handle the crash testing
Warranties are valid

Plus i know we can rely on the people in the forums..................Right???

if everyone works their butt off and gets all their freinds in on it you have on hell of a backing. So why no give it a try it only costs about $0.33 and maybe some gas to get to the local nissan dealer. Soon you'll have salesman dissappointed that they couldn't sell you a car and asking their employerswhat this is all these people are talking about or asking when it's coming.

I'll send an addressed and stamped envelope to the first hundred to reply to this. Just drop me a line at [email protected]

And if a moderator could place this in a visible spot that would be helpful.

try these as contacts:

Nissan Consumer Affairs
P.O. Box 191
Gardena, CA 90248
(800) NISSAN-1 (or 800-647-7261)
9:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. Eastern / Central Time
8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. Pacific Time
Monday through Friday

maybe a phone call would help too. Hey it's free!

I can't find an e-mail address on nissan's (of North America) web site but there is a form you can fill out here:

http://www.nissandriven.com/global/contactus/ContactUsApplication/1,9375,,00.html

At least give it a try i will

impossible. first and foremost, i have yet to see one case where a company has complied with a petitions wish, regardless of the number of people who signed it. and given the skylines popularity im sure one has already been started and they haven't brought it.

next, correct me if im wrong, but didn't nissan discontinue R34 production? if not it's damn close so the year or 2 it'd take to bring it over the r35 is out and we already have that. it's not feasible in any facet, plus they would lose money. If they were able to make money in any form, they would have brought it over here in the first place, they're not stupid. they probably tested the market and didn't think it looked promising. It's what $50,000 for a new R34? Most US cars for the majority drop in at about $30,000 or less, after that the rich go for lex, jag, porsche etc, and only the enthusiests would know that nissan was gold, everyone else would think it just that, a nissan. It'd be like (to the ignorant) buying a $50,000 geo. Look at the viper. They lose money on those cars if im not mistaken. The supra died out for these very reasons. It's just not possible although it'd be the best thing for us, its just not.

How many Skylines did Nissan make because im sure many people will be mad because there wern't enough Skylines to go around. :( And that sucks

war of words......but they don't hold Monopoly....it's an Oligopoly (open to everyone to attempt to enter the market, but is cost preventative).

HEE HEE:)

I'll do everything I can to help, as a broke 16 year old who loves skylines...

If you want to screw MoRex find someone who will buy or has bought from MotRex then post the copy of the paper that you give to DOT on the internet. It's bastardly but cheap:devil:

Great comments, and also I beleve the support will be there when needed. I actually found this board while searching for another alternative to import JDM spec cars. The funny thing is, ive been looking into starting up my own shop for the sole purpose of importing JDM cars.. Its not easy, but it can be done. I think everyone who replys to this message, is true to the core about imports, no matter if they are in support, or unbelief that it is possible. I think anything is possible, but things dont happen over night. You guys are moving in the right direction though, and I will keep presuing to see weather or not it could be pheasible, to start a buisiness in importing JDM spec cars. I am persuing avenues of approach with possible established shops, to see if maybe it can be done (with a possible partnership) there are many options available here guys, but just remember we all would benifit if the cars were made here......but then we wouldnt want JDM if they were...

This topic is almost three years old. Even after all that time, no real headway has been made. Think about that for a moment.

Dates man dates.

as great as it would be to be able to go down to the local nissan dealership and buy a r34 gtr, it aint gonna happen. and this crazy idea of raising and spending like what seems to be conservatively half a million dollars so we can save $25000 on a skyline by not having to go throu motorex? ubsurd!! i mean if it could be done i'd be all for it but i mean come on lets be realistic, it aint gonna happen. i doesnt matter how many of us write an petition and what kind of demonstraions we put on, or how many nissan salesman we bother in Podunk for a skyline, nissan isnt gona magically start making a vehicle they no longer produced in a hemisphere they never produced it in!!

Sorry guys but reality bites!

There are other comapnies that are more affordiable (and another option than motorex) try this web site and then see how ubsurd it sounds... im not lookin to start petitions or demostrations, im looking to start a legitament bussiness..which is why i replayed to the message.



http://www.evolutionimports.net/usedcars.php?page=1&perpage=5

Yeah, still sounds EXTREMELY "ubsurd"

Evolution Imports has been mentioned several times before, do a search on it. It is a scam site. They bait people who have no idea (cough) about what can and can't be brought into the US into purchasing one and then take off with the money.

Here's their Better Business Bureau report:
http://www.orlando.bbb.org/newsearch2.asp?ComID=07330012002719

Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaint(s).

Look at the site, it's an obvious scam sight. A PO Box for an address (no physical address), toll free number and most likely a cell phone for a "local" number. NEVER trust sending money to a site without a physical address, let alone $20K+!

Look at the BBB report, they have three different addresses, two easily leased/abandoned for scams.

Still seem more affordable when you send them the money and don't get anything?

My gosh!! This thread is ANCIENT!! Why is it still being posted in?

because people still post in it. =D

Some people in this world just can't read the dates......