Little something about vipers..

i kicked the snot out of this Viper today......and he didn't even see it coming.... :flipa: my car is just way to kewl............. cuz it is pushing 750hp

yeah!!!!!!!!!!!

my civic could beat your licoln any daY...

What exactly are you pushing? Mods?

640 without juice and 840 with juice......:frog:


Well the engine, it has a 460 block stroked out to a 498!!! Pushing more than 750hp at the wheels. NOS and a large turbo. The engine is chromed out. Chrome everywhere.

That's so cool . . . what kind of NOS kit are you running?

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ViperEater, do you have any pics of you car? I really wanna see it, sounds awesome.

Yes...
Chrome=Fast:rolleyes:

i would like to know what crank, pistons, rods, you ahve also what heads are you running???

what is the crank made of, forged steel, billet, cast iron,

what wieght are your pistons,

what trans do you have,

if you were running that much horse power than you will have a problem overheating from all the chrome chrome insulates heat,

what are the stroke and bore of the engine,

what rear end do you have,

what bell housing and clutch atr you fuel injectoed or carbed if so what are the specs on those?? injector size, mass air, of for carb, what carb how many barrels what cfm, what intake,

answer these questions im dieng to know what you have done???

:flipa: This guy is complete BS:flipa:

I dono why every one loves Honda's so much, The nissan's still aver rule.
Take a 1991 honda accord with a 2.0 add intake, and a 85 shot of nos (ZEX of all brands) and cad back exhaust, plus a cam gear, and size down the rims!!!!!!! But wait after all the money invested to push a lil over 200hp and probly 200 or so to the front wheels! He can still not hang with a allmost compleatly stock Maxima and yes made by Nissan or in nissan owners terms (CEFIRO)!! But it gets better yes thats right how about a 2000 Honda accord same weight 4045lbs (curb weight). V6 and V-tec might i add with a cold air intake, and yes its a auto so take away a lil get up and go off the start. Anyways the Nissan shows onces agine to show all who will win in the end!!!! Need i say more?

P.S. this was meant in no way offensive to Honda owners!
Thank you
Branden:sun: :sun:

What does this have to do with a Lincon vs. Viper?

Originally posted by cefiroman
I dono why every one loves Honda's so much, The nissan's still aver rule.
Take a 1991 honda accord with a 2.0 add intake, and a 85 shot of nos (ZEX of all brands) and cad back exhaust, plus a cam gear, and size down the rims!!!!!!! But wait after all the money invested to push a lil over 200hp and probly 200 or so to the front wheels! He can still not hang with a allmost compleatly stock Maxima and yes made by Nissan or in nissan owners terms (CEFIRO)!! But it gets better yes thats right how about a 2000 Honda accord same weight 4045lbs (curb weight). V6 and V-tec might i add with a cold air intake, and yes its a auto so take away a lil get up and go off the start. Anyways the Nissan shows onces agine to show all who will win in the end!!!! Need i say more?

P.S. this was meant in no way offensive to Honda owners!
Thank you
Branden:sun: :sun:

Here is a idea u start a Thread and then some dope like HONDA-RACER421! brings his view witch hasta refer to of all cars a HONDA!!!!!!!
So my responce in the first place was towards him...... If you wanna talk lincons I got access to a 1985 VERSIE (spell) that pulls a rather nice 14.7's range compaired to VIPER-EATERS___ Lincon bumped up to 498... What YR is your car and ETA on qt mi????:smoker2: :smoker2: thanks you misunderstanding crack heads........

What he wrote was a joke.

well it did not seem like a jk to me!!!!! becieds its another honda geeesh

dude, hondaracer said he has 25in dubs. come on...
and for the lincoln...
running one turbo requires lots of plumbing and i dont think your engine bay is THAT big... i want some pics...
a single turbo on a v means you gotta run both exh manifolds to one side, and get the turbo in a reasonable spot... lots of tubing... hmm... and its chromed out...
hell, you dont need a turbo on a 460 bored out to get 650 hp...

umm, yeah you might. GM is coming out with a 502 block on the 2003 Silverado(or Sierra) HD. And its only pushing 377 HP. Displacement helps to make lots more tourque but you need more than just displacement to make horespower you need efficiancy(spelling????). You need to breathe easily in all directions in and out and you need to burn the fuel as equally as possible.

umm, hello?
if it is a built 460 bored out to almost five hundred, it is prolly built to the hilt w/ hi po parts, if it exists. (doubt that).
there are much smaller motors that can push 640hp n/a.
that 502 is so damn detuned. come on...
like a built 460 is stock? we arent talkin stock numbers. there was a concept 502 truck that put down 500 some odd n/a hp. if you cant make at least 1 hp / cubic inch n/a, dont build it.
however, if your only mod is a turbo then you i see what you mean. he said that he had a 460 bored almost 500cid. that doesnt sound stock.
see what im sayin?

I see what your saying. And its a 501.2873 block not a bored/stroked 460. The point of that engine though was that its in the HD(Heavy Duty) vehicle. It was not made for horsepower but more so it was made for torque. Its a hauling/towing and work truck. It was tuned to pull lots of weight. Im just saying with head/cam and exhaust im more than sure that engine could be producing some very large HP numbers. It has lots of potential is what i meant.

i wasnt talking about the 502...
i was talking about the 460 in the town car in this thread...
he states it is bored out... almost 500...
that is what i meant
so, reprogram the chip in the 502 chev, and you get a magical extra 20ish hp... headers and exh and intake, another 40ish... see how much fun this is? get rid of factory restrictive shiet, and put the right parts on, and that motor can put out almost 500 w/ minor mods...

yeah, but its capable of so much more. All it needs is to get a coates cylinder head design with NO camshaft, and NO valvetrain(im not joking it exits) and that 502 or 460 would be capable of spinning 14,750 RPM(no misprint either i checked) and make well over 600 H.P. without forced induction or piston work. Ha ha I cant wait until I am able to order a coates engine. For any disbelivers go here:
http://www.coatesengine.com/

so you are agreeing that a turbo is not necessary for 600hp on either motor... hmm...
why dint you do that up front?
and, yes they are capable of that with your wild mod idea, but you dont need those to realize that much power... they are just one way to get there. simple mods can get you there in a highly detuned motor, which i am sure that 502 is that you want...
either way

do you think the guy that started this thread is full o shiet or what?

Originally posted by mitchfrmwpg
umm, yeah you might. GM is coming out with a 502 block on the 2003 Silverado(or Sierra) HD. And its only pushing 377 HP. Displacement helps to make lots more tourque but you need more than just displacement to make horespower you need efficiancy(spelling????). You need to breathe easily in all directions in and out and you need to burn the fuel as equally as possible.

2003 Silverado with a 502 making 377 hp, but I'd guess over 500 ft lbs of torque at 2500 rpm.. in a pickup designed to pull and haul 10,000 lbs your not that worried about how much hp you can make, but you desperately need as much torque as you can get.

This is why a long haul semi will be rated at 400 hp but 900-1200 ft lbs of torque..

hahahahahaha, that was a good laugh... lol, a lincoln beating a viper, that is the biggest load of BS i've read in awhile.... does this guy know how heavy a lincoln is, and how a lincold town car was never intended for going really fast :D

hey man, didn't you beat that Mclaren the other day too?

bullshit, lol :D

hold up...
a lincoln weighs only a bit more, comparatively speaking(basically it is not like the diff b/n a viper and an rx7), than a viper...
a lincoln could also conceivably beat a viper...
and i would put money on it...
it would cost more than a viper, but hell, it can be done... you can make anything fast and handle... a lincoln is no exception... and i dont mean a tube chassis w/ a lincoln body.
this guy is, of course, full of shit, but hey...
that doesnt mean that his topic is

one more quick note...
quote from gangstarr...
and how a lincold town car was never intended for going really fast
remember, a civic hatchback isnt intended to go quick... but you can make em do it... civic si, crx... hybrids...
a ford f150 isnt supposed to be hella quick, but ford made one... lightning

and dont think i am puttin you down, cuz we are on the same side, but i just wanted to clarify...
and especially w/ what this guy "has" on his car... a turbo 460 isnt slow, even in a town car.. and its bigger than the viper motor...
(reference.. a 427 is 7liters... )

:rolleyes: tangent!!!!!!!!!! sorry :rolleyes:

I know that a Ford lincoln can beat a viper. my father drag races a 1985 to be exact! And it is a funny sight to see a Lincoln smoke tires all the way down a 1/4 mi.. I know this sounds a myth but i will take pics of his car and post them or mail them to who would like to see just to show you want a beef'd up Lincoln looks like.last yr he was pullin a 13.97.
But I will admit that if a viper owner put a lil money into his car he would be able to pull a better qt'r!!





I dont know full details of the car
but I know this
302 boar'd out to???
holly carb- 4barrel
direct port Nos-175 shot
custom rear end with lockin dif
custom 4 speed auto
AND STILL A DAILY DRIVER
LOL:flipa: :flipa: :flipa: FOR EVERY ONE WHO
NEVER TRIES TO DO THE IMPOSIBLE!

I think the guy with the lincoln may be talking out of his ass. Besides, my question is this: If you decide to dump that much money into hooping up a car, why in the hell would you choose a big, heavy Lincoln? If we are to beleive this, we definately need some sensible 1/4 mile times and mod explanations. ONe other thing- I hope that the guy with the Honda was joking. What is the deal with people getting civics, putting an intake and an exhaust tips larger than the combined diameters of all four manifold pipes, and then thinking they are driving performance icons? I get so sick of going to the dragstrip and seeing civics covered in graphics spitting out 1/4 mile times in the high fourteens, fifteens, and sixteens. If you shit your pants over the idea of a high 14 second civic, you obviously have never driven an actual performance car. Then, we have some dweeb who comes on and tells a guy in a (supposed) 650+ horsepower Lincoln that he could outrun him. Someone please shoot me. I can't take it anymore.

Originally posted by cefiroman
Lincoln looks like.last yr he was pullin a 13.97.



a stock viper does the 1/4 in about 12.6s

flylwsi: yeah i agree with you, i'm just sayin this guy is full of shit... maybe that's why he hasn't replied yet :D

OK so why would I talk out my ass about such a thing? And in Colorado where i live Vipers dont do a 1/4 in about 12.6s...... I will get pics to prove I have nothing to hide.. And if i can get pics from the drag strip I will pay someone to scan them and put them on a disk or online! It is funny how some peeps can get so pissie about this I think it is great that of all cars in the world a Linclon Versie (spell) is a SLEEPER!! And futher more I will find out all the specs Monday and post them monday or tuesday night after work! If I am able to take pics of the car tomarrow I will goto TARGET and send them off to be devloped but it wont be till Wensday or Thursday when I get them back cuz I will request them on cd.. No one I know dose 1hr advantix on disk!!!!!
:D :D

P.S. Sorry to all who wanted a responce sooner
I do have a life outside the computer!:licker:

cefiro, man i wasn't talkin about you :D i was talkin about that viper eater guy

sorry about the confusion :)

funny how he never replied again. If it is like that then my G20 wooped a z06 just the uhda day.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
funny how he never replied again. If it is like that then my G20 wooped a z06 just the uhda day.

lol yeah... my bmw with a 2000hp engine, CHROMED OUT!! just beat a Mclaren lol :D

hey cefiro..
no one doubts you, but every one of the magazines i have read has universally posted viper times under 13 seconds.
all.
and when i was at the track, there were three gts coupes all runnin high twelves and spinning the first three gears.
i have never seen a viper 1/4 time posted anywhere above a mid-high twelve...
maybe if you dont correct for atmosphere, etc, but they should still stomp into the twelves

You guys do know altitude have a major effect on how car performs. That guy said he was from Colorado. Viper is N/A and it can't suck in enough oxygen at that high of altitude. Only Force Inducted cars performance stay the same at such high altitude.

That was because you are modded up the butt. Besides a town car, give me a break. If that guy modded his viper half what you have done to yours he would have made roadkill out of you. He was probably stock. Yeesh.

Originally posted by Polygon
He was probably stock. Yeesh.

even a stock viper would have easily won

Depending, I don't know about one of the first Vipers, say a 1994 RT10. They weren't that fast. Or he has no idea how to drive correctly. I am still lauging that he bothered to mod a Town car. What a waste.

Man I think I will go out and mod my Grandma's Buick.

well obviously he's lying so it doesn't matter :)

a 1996 or 1994 RT/10 does the quarter in high 11s, that's really good :)

Originally posted by gang$tarr
well obviously he's lying so it doesn't matter :)

a 1996 or 1994 RT/10 does the quarter in high 11s, that's really good :)

liar, liar, pantz on fire.:rolleyes: :flamer: :bonghitte

Why are you laughing at the fact that he modded the Lincoln? I own a 89 Towncar and they are faster than you might think. About the only thing that can beat me is a V8 sports car, nothing else come close. personally, if i was gonna mod a Lincoln, I wouldnt choose a Towncar, I'd choose a Mark series car. If it wasn't for my engine problem, I would have some mods on my car. This is my feeling though. Yeah a stock Viper can easily post a 1/4 in the high 11's. The last test Autoweek did on one, it ran a 12.2 @118, and Autoweek tends to be one of the lower magazines for ET's

Originally posted by Psman32@af
Why are you laughing at the fact that he modded the Lincoln? I own a 89 Towncar and they are faster than you might think. About the only thing that can beat me is a V8 sports car, nothing else come close. personally, if i was gonna mod a Lincoln, I wouldnt choose a Towncar, I'd choose a Mark series car. If it wasn't for my engine problem, I would have some mods on my car. This is my feeling though.

Oh, but we weren't flaming the fact that it was a Lincoln. It's the fact that he is a blunt liar. Probably didn't even mod his Lincoln.

we were just laughing about how he said he beat a Viper... and how he's a big ass liar :D
like it would take alotta work to make a towncar go that fast, and alotta money, that you could have used to just a buy a viper instead. plus if you did mod a towncar to be that fast (IMO a waste, like said before) you wouldn't be saying the engine is "CHROMED OUT!" LOL :D :D

:huh: :silly: :huh:

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
:huh: :silly: :huh:

haha, what a waste of a post :D :D

Counts as a post so it's all for a good cause.

Originally posted by Psman32@af
Why are you laughing at the fact that he modded the Lincoln? I own a 89 Towncar and they are faster than you might think. About the only thing that can beat me is a V8 sports car, nothing else come close. personally, if i was gonna mod a Lincoln, I wouldnt choose a Towncar, I'd choose a Mark series car. If it wasn't for my engine problem, I would have some mods on my car. This is my feeling though. Yeah a stock Viper can easily post a 1/4 in the high 11's. The last test Autoweek did on one, it ran a 12.2 @118, and Autoweek tends to be one of the lower magazines for ET's

I wasn't laughing about the fact it was a Lincoln, but the fact it was a town car. You are right, the Mark series is pretty quick.

Originally posted by Mrcoilover
Counts as a post so it's all for a good cause.

yeah somethin like that :huh:
hehe

Originally posted by gang$tarr


yeah somethin like that :huh:
hehe

trying to get a higher level of enthusiasm. :finger: :toothless :buck

lol, aright.... :jump: :jump: :jump: :jump:

that better?

OK just so every one gets an idea of how this car could move so fast.....


one quick thing im 22 and spell like shit!!! just so you know...

for starter
1985 Linclon versie

Rear end) nodgerler,350 gears,equil lock-- Ford's lockin dif.


Engine)1968 302 small block, Balanced and blue printed,TRW fordged
flat top pistons, Boarded to 30,000 over,351 windser heads,60.6
combustion chamber,Polished and ported heads,Hard seats,2.02 intake valves (stainless steel),Under cut stems, Swirl polished, Exust valve 1.60,Bronze valve guids, Duel valve springs, Titanum retaners, Roller rockers, Edbrock time'ng chain, Edbrock TQ cam and lifters, Holly pro jection enjection, 2 1/4 exust, 2 resanators( cuz its spose to be a family car according to my mother), 2,800 rpm stall converter (upgraded), Exust manifold ported and port matched, All bolts in the engine are chrome, All bolt outside are stainless steel or titanum I belive....... oh yeaaaa lets not forget variable NOS shot from 100-225 by NOS!!!


Know this is a lot of shit to me anyways..
I cant honestly say I know what all of that means but
I got most of it...



Pic will be here soon!!!!!!:frog: :frog: :alien2: :p

I don't knwo why someone would drag race a lincoln without taking out that 302 and using a bigger engine. If you were into drag racing, I'd say that you should get a vrate engine. Also why is there no forced induction? Id do that before NOS. Also it wont cause the damage that NOS can if it is still a daily driver. And with no FI, i dont see how it could beat a viper espiecally with that 13 1/4 time. Good drivers can have high 11's which would crush your 13.97. If you want to come over here, you can race a real viper driver and see how fast a viper really is.

cefiroman , how do u get that a Nissan weighs 4054? My 89 Towncar weighs 4057. why dads 97 weighs less than 4000, i believe it weighs 3965, but im not sure right now.

I will refer to ur coment, after I get off work tonight.

One question what altitude do you live at?
Vipers dont do no 11's or 12's in the QT where I live!!!

Originally posted by cefiroman
I will refer to ur coment, after I get off work tonight.

One question what altitude do you live at?
Vipers dont do no 11's or 12's in the QT where I live!!!

Exactly, they pull those times at sea level. Boy would I love to take my car to CA to see what my 1/4 times would be.

PSman cefiro didn't say he beat a viper, it was that vipereater guy... cefiro just said that his dad or somebody did make a lincoln pretty fast

if a viper goes slower in higher altitudes wouldn't the other cars go slower too? so it works out

Thanks Gangstarr for the help explaining......


The picture will justify that you can not put forced induction under the hood no room at all!!! And becides this car was built 5-6 yrs ago forced induction was not a big thing!!!!!


Where did the whole weight thing come up????
well the 1997 Maxima I own is about 4,050lbs acording to stock sticker on the drivers door... Ohh and 97 accord EX is allmost identical in weight..!
The Linclon weigh's in at over 5,000lbs according to a truck scale..



This is hard to belive that someone would do something to a every day car and of all cars a 85 Liclon versie!!! But if he gets it back up to the track in 2002 I will video tape it to show the proff.. I use to think he gone mad and so did my friends but my first time up at the track( witch is a small track very like enough seating for maybe 200-300 peeps..) It was insane anoucer says Scott (friend i went to school with) in his 1969 gutted camero and Steve in his Linclon Versie family car.. people thought it was funny I mean the damn camero had a beautiful(sp) blower stick up out of the hood it was a big block not sure the exact size. Bam green light the front end of the linclon raised up and the rear started smoke'n he smoked the tires all the way down cuz the car has a traction problem ( called to much TQ) beat the Camero by 2.5-.6 seconds every one just standed their my boys were speechless and I screamed HELL YA out loud. Sinces then they dont make much fun of the family car!! And my dad earned the respect that he deserved!!!
but a big block will not fit under hood!! and if FI---means fuel injection well maybe I mesed up but its not missin that... the Nos is set up for the track the motor was built for the Nos (Blue printed). Over 5 yrs of use and still no recorded damage to the motor as of yet!!! IM not sure if I fully under stand you psman:confused: maybe im slow tonight or your lost???? OH YEA ALLMOST FORGOT I WOULD TAKE THE LINCLON OVER A FERRARI ANYDAY I DONT LIKE THE IDEA OF PEEPS LOOK'N AT ME THINKING BOY HE'S GOT A SMALL UNIT!! HAHA. I JUST DONT NEED A
$80,000 CAR TO MAKE ME FEEL LIKE IM WORTH SOMETHING!!

P.S. Start'n next yr he planes to buy a Miata yep a Miata and trasfer the motor and tranny. Boy I wonder if we can get it to a 10.00QT. I dono but is its less than half the wight and more dynamic!! I THINK WE WILL NEED A WEEL'EE BAR!!!


QUOTE:::: WHY ARE PEEOPLE SO SCARED TO TRY THE IMPOSIBLE!!!
What you got a Ferrari im sorry!!!!!!

oh sorry cefiroman, i thought you said you did beat a viper, I'm sorry if u didn't. I've been a bit slow lately but yeah i know that altitude makes a difference in ET time, just like temperature and humidity, etc. Yeah I guessed that the Lincoln would be at least 5,000 lbs. Also its not that crazy to want to hopup a Lincoln. i want to do something liek Vipereater was talking about, but if i had the money, I would honestly do it. And the sticker on your door that says the car weighs 4050 lbs, is not your curb weight, if that were the case, I'd have a curb weight of 5480 lb in my Towncar. But the curb weight of my car is 4057. The 4050 weigh has the letter GVWR in front of it. GVWR mean Gross Vehicle Weight Rating, or the amount of weight that the chasis and engine, etc. can safely handle when its stock.

:flipa:Nobody listen to me when I said N/A cars are hamper at high altitude. The guy said he live in Colorado. Only Force inducted car can maintain the same performance at high altitude :finger: :devil:

Originally posted by F20C
:flipa:Nobody listen to me when I said N/A cars are hamper at high altitude. The guy said he live in Colorado. Only Force inducted car can maintain the same performance at high altitude :finger: :devil:

i actually asked a question about that.... i said if the viper goes slower wouldn't the other cars go slower too?