Escalades, living room on wheels

[Iman de las chicas]

why do people buy massive, super expensive, gas guzzling, environment killing, american status symbol crap, such as the escalade. (same goes for navigator, H2, excursion, sequioa need i go on?) These huge 'living room on wheels' are not only guzzling gas and a lot of it, but people that drive them, somehow think they are invincible. A lot of the time however, they are, and they obliterate people in small cars. Like a friend of mine, about 6 weeks ago, driving a small mustang (85). He was killed while driving, by a massive suv. People driving SUVs are not invincible. They have a much larger chance to roll than a small car, and the handling is about as good as a freakin' log!
My main points being
- Way to expensive!
- Huge!!
- Handling is crap!
- gas guzzling
- invincible and takes out smaller vehicles easily
-if not invincible you think you are and this leads to the potential for extreme accidents.
Just because you drive a tank, also, does not give you permission to be an ass on the road.

Iman de las chicas

one last thing, are they even fun to drive? don't you think it would be a lot more fun to drive a little WRX cruisin down a country road and flooring that baby opposed to a 26" wheeled, box shaped, 2 ton tank! sell it and buy three sports cars and race your friends

[kraller]

I would agree with you but I own one, and I have always wanted one and when i got the chance to get a 2004 i bought it. I dont drive it like a tank, but i definetly see where you are coming from. I definetly didnt buy it beacuse of its "excellent" gas milage, speed, or small shape. I agree with what your saying about large SUVs-

But you say it easily takes out small vehicles? what about a Simi, or dump truck running into a SUV? I mean the same thing will happen to the escalade as the smaller cars in the same situation. I'm sorry about your friend and I dont intend to drive mine like a tank or be an ass on the roads.

[HandofDoom]

why do people buy massive, super expensive, gas guzzling, environment killing, american status symbol crap, such as the escalade. (same goes for navigator, H2, excursion, sequioa need i go on?) These huge 'living room on wheels' are not only guzzling gas and a lot of it, but people that drive them, somehow think they are invincible. A lot of the time however, they are, and they obliterate people in small cars. Like a friend of mine, about 6 weeks ago, driving a small mustang (85). He was killed while driving, by a massive suv. People driving SUVs are not invincible. They have a much larger chance to roll than a small car, and the handling is about as good as a freakin' log!
My main points being
- Way to expensive!
- Huge!!
- Handling is crap!
- gas guzzling
- invincible and takes out smaller vehicles easily
-if not invincible you think you are and this leads to the potential for extreme accidents.
Just because you drive a tank, also, does not give you permission to be an ass on the road.

Iman de las chicas

one last thing, are they even fun to drive? don't you think it would be a lot more fun to drive a little WRX cruisin down a country road and flooring that baby opposed to a 26" wheeled, box shaped, 2 ton tank! sell it and buy three sports cars and race your friends



People buy them because there awsome.Im 6'4" and can hardly get into something as small as a WRX or Mustang.Did you ever go to think that people may buy them because there very safe?I would rather be in a Escalade then a WRX during an accident.Environtment killing...oh boy,another nature freak.Oh crap,stupid me,I almost forgot that everything besides SUV's are all electric.Your WRX or little racing machines contribute nothing to the worlds pollution right?Neither any of the worlds factorys.Point being its not just SUV's.And who cares about gas consumption.IF you can afford the truck then your can afford the gas.And did you ever notice that most people that drive them have reasons to?Like big families,travelers,people that can't stand tiny econo boxes like myself and like big vehicles.And if you don't want to be "obliterated" then dont drive something so small.Handling is crap,yea,and there meant to be driven like Corvettes too.Wow,your a bright one indeed.And no,I would rather not drive a WRX or a small fast car.What i like abotu big SUV's is that when your driving them,your not thrown into the other lane after you run over a tar filling!Infact,you hardly feel any potholes in a Escalade!I was driving my brothers Nissan Maxima last week and every time u hit the slightest bump or tar filling,the steering wheel jerked to either the left or right.I don't like that.If I want something fast I'd get a Vette.And about SUV's rolling,if you roll your SUV,you might come out with a little less then some whip lash from your seat belt.Point being,SUV's a much safer,much more comfortable, and huge(which is a good thing).

[kraller]

Thank you! i fully agree with every word you just said, you said everything I was trying to say and more! Thanks

[HandofDoom]

Hey thatnks man!

[Jimster]

I'm taller than you HandodDoom and I get into most cars comfortably, I've owned many small cars, from a Prelude to a Yugo, to a Corolla and so on and I fit in them pretty damn comfortably thank you, there is absolutely no need for an SUV for the case of passenger room.

My BIGGEST problem with the Escalade is that it has absolutely no purpose, it has about as much off road ability as a CTS, has an obnoxiously high center of gravity, is prone to roll over and bleeds the earth of it's fuel, due to the fact that it's heavy and has a pointlessly large motor.

Now for the price of an Escalade, as a matter of fact cheaper, you can get a VW Touareg V10 TDI, have a hell of a lot more Torque, pull as much as a Ram and go offroading with the best of them, oh and it's diesel, so with sensible driving 25 mpg would be easily possible. Oh and it has an excellent on-road ride as well.

The Escalades survive only on the premise that
1. They are aimed at middle aged men trying to extend thier ego, because they can't extend a certain thing down low

and 2. Rappers and Wiggas who want to be bling bling y0!!! and waste thier money on crap.

Or dumb suburban bitches who have two kids, who are weedier than most kids whose parents drive Geos and want to waste precious parking room and waste everybodies time.

[HandofDoom]

Dam Jim,you take these things straight to the heart.Sorry,I should have mentioned this before,Im 6'4",large not just in height,but im a big person.I weigh close to 300lbs.I don't get into small cars comfortably.What do you mean there is absolutly no purpose?People like them,they sell great,not to mention the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle in America,so people must like them a lot.And yes,thats a true fact.Some people like tiny things,others like huge things.Im sure an Escalade can handle off-roading like cake.But who takes there Escalade off-roading anyway?Not many people are going to pay almost 60K to ruin their truck.Not to mention its a LUXURY SUV.Thats almost like saying a Deville has about as much racing ability as a Chevy Caprice Classic.You don't race them simply because its a luxury car.You don't take a Escalade off-roading simply because its a luxury SUV,its wasnt built to take on the Rockies.I know you love Chryslers so I will say this,Jeeps roll A LOT more then just about any SUV maker on the planet.Escalades have Stabili-Track,that improves handling by quite a bit,and if you don't drive it like a Ferrari,then whats there to worry about.Honestly,I could care less about fuel,theres plenty to go around for along time,its gonna be awhile before we run out of fuel on this planet,and a lot of cars being built will ve electric by that time.Hmm,I never see anybody whining about the Maybach Maybachis heavy and has a pointlessly large motor?That consumes a lot of gas,and the Veyron,and so on.Things are bigger in Caddy world,get over it dude.

And just about all this is pointless to the thread.The dude up top was complaining about the size,not the offroading ability.Its safer then just about any car out there.

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by HandofDoom

Dam Jim,you take these things straight to the heart.Sorry,I should have mentioned this before,Im 6'4",large not just in height,but im a big person.I weigh close to 300lbs.I don't get into small cars comfortably.What do you mean there is absolutly no purpose?People like them,they sell great,not to mention the Escalade is the most stolen vehicle in America,so people must like them a lot.And yes,thats a true fact.Some people like tiny things,others like huge things.Im sure an Escalade can handle off-roading like cake.But who takes there Escalade off-roading anyway?Not many people are going to pay almost 60K to ruin their truck.Not to mention its a LUXURY SUV.Thats almost like saying a Deville has about as much racing ability as a Chevy Caprice Classic.You don't race them simply because its a luxury car.You don't take a Escalade off-roading simply because its a luxury SUV,its wasnt built to take on the Rockies.I know you love Chryslers so I will say this,Jeeps roll A LOT more then just about any SUV maker on the planet.Escalades have Stabili-Track,that improves handling by quite a bit,and if you don't drive it like a Ferrari,then whats there to worry about.Honestly,I could care less about fuel,theres plenty to go around for along time,its gonna be awhile before we run out of fuel on this planet,and a lot of cars being built will ve electric by that time.Hmm,I never see anybody whining about the Maybach Maybachis heavy and has a pointlessly large motor?That consumes a lot of gas,and the Veyron,and so on.Things are bigger in Caddy world,get over it dude.

And just about all this is pointless to the thread.The dude up top was complaining about the size,not the offroading ability.Its safer then just about any car out there.

To be able to tackle rugged terrains and offroading courses, the cars must come equipped, the Escalade is far from equipped for offroad duties. The only luxury SUV's that can handle the offroad duties are the Range Rover, H1, Touareg, Grand Cherokee and Cayenne.

Many times people have tried taking H2's and Tahoes off road, in the weakest of conditions and had to be towed home- these are the Escalades cousins.

The sole purpose of these big things is to be taken offroad, if you want a luxury car, what is wrong wth a Deville??? Or one of the even better German marques luxury saloon??? Not only are you being more considerate to others around you, you're probably drinking less of mother natures resources.

The most stolen vehicle in America is the 1988 Toyota Camry, are you going to call them desirable???

The Maybach is pointless, as is the Veyron, as is pretty much any car over 6.0 liters, 5.5 meters or 2200 Kg's.


/nd it's not safer than any car out there, roll it over and unless you have a roll cage, then you're more than likely to be dead or seriously injured and yes, you can roll any SUV, no matter how many ESP programs they stuff into them.

[HandofDoom]

To be able to tackle rugged terrains and offroading courses, the cars must come equipped, the Escalade is far from equipped for offroad duties. The only luxury SUV's that can handle the offroad duties are the Range Rover, H1, Touareg, Grand Cherokee and Cayenne.

Many times people have tried taking H2's and Tahoes off road, in the weakest of conditions and had to be towed home- these are the Escalades cousins.

The sole purpose of these big things is to be taken offroad, if you want a luxury car, what is wrong wth a Deville??? Or one of the even better German marques luxury saloon??? Not only are you being more considerate to others around you, you're probably drinking less of mother natures resources.

The most stolen vehicle in America is the 1988 Toyota Camry, are you going to call them desirable???

The Maybach is pointless, as is the Veyron, as is pretty much any car over 6.0 liters, 5.5 meters or 2200 Kg's.


/nd it's not safer than any car out there, roll it over and unless you have a roll cage, then you're more than likely to be dead or seriously injured and yes, you can roll any SUV, no matter how many ESP programs they stuff into them.

So your saying that anyone who owns a SUV should take it off-roading?No,Cadillac did not build the Escalade with off-roading in mind.If you want to do off-roading get a Wrangler or a Hummer,or any other SUV that was built specifically FOR off-roading.Find me one Escalade owner that bought there Escalade and tride taking it off-roading.Its gonna be hard.The Escalade is for people that have taste in luxury and BIG SUV's.A person may not want to buy a luxury car just because you tell them they should because to you SUV's are only made for off-roading and whether its luxury or not is regardless in your opinion.

I will say again,I could care less about gasoline,read my other post,Im not typing it again.

Jim,its a RATED FACT that the escalade is the most stolen vehicle in America.Where you got 1988 Camry is beyond me,but thats kinda stupid.I would boost a damnFord Aspire before one of those.

I don't see whats so pointless about large engines.Oh boo hoo,they suck gas.Cry me a river.Every vehicle in this world suck gas,maybe not as much as these massive engines,but they do.If your so worried about gas consumption,then take a bike to work everyday.And maybe hug a tree on the way.

I never said that Stabi Track makes an SUV invinsinble to rolling.I said that it helps prevent rolling,there is a difference.Unless you roll over a cliff,your probably not going to be kill if you roll a Escalade.Id feel a lot safer in a huge SUV then an econo box.You hit a dear with one ofthem tiny things the engine is either in the back seat or the anters are through the windsheild.Safe,huh.A guy a coach with has a daughter that did drive a Jeep cherokee,rolled it(as I said,Jeeps roll like nothing else),wait,let me correct myself,FLIPPED it end over end 6 times,came out with a scratch on her neck from the seat belt.The Jeep was destroyed but she was fine.SUV's are safer then cars,nothing will change my opinion on that.

[HandofDoom]

Please excuse my spelling errors,I just woke up.And after just reading that I see there are a lot.Thanks.

[Ssom]

I don't get it, there is honestly no point to this car- Cadillac already have a full size luxury car, so why jack one up, make it completely obnoxious and inconsiderate to other users???

The SUV concept is for off-roaders- always has been- always will be. It screams out "Small dick!!!" The drivers think they can use thier tank to push other drivers around- but I don't fall for it- if they hit me- thier at fault, they pay.

Ever had an SUV come up behind you with the lights on, making looking in the rear view mirror impossible?? I have, ever seen an SUV crash into the back of a car and cause senseless damage to the other car??? I have. Don't get me started on the dangers they pose to pedestrians.


They are not safer than normal cars, at all- the NRMA, Euro NCAP and NHTSA all have crash tested SUV's, I haven't seen one do as good as a Volvo, Saab or Renault. The Escalade ESV onlt holds a three star rating for passenger-side frontal-impacts and an EXT- a three star for frontal drivers-side impacts- as you see here- http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testin.../2004SUVs.html So it's all a myth.

[gonenuts15792]

In response to Jimster:


"I'm taller than you HandodDoom and I get into most cars comfortably, I've owned many small cars, from a Prelude to a Yugo, to a Corolla and so on and I fit in them pretty damn comfortably thank you, there is absolutely no need for an SUV for the case of passenger room."


Thats your opinion. As for me I am 6 foot 5 inches and can't comfortably stretch out on long trips in small cars like the Corolla.


"My BIGGEST problem with the Escalade is that it has absolutely no purpose, it has about as much off road ability as a CTS, has an obnoxiously high center of gravity, is prone to roll over and bleeds the earth of it's fuel, due to the fact that it's heavy and has a pointlessly large motor."


It isn't made for heavy off roading, it is made for light off road use. It is more useful for towing and hauling large loads.


"Now for the price of an Escalade, as a matter of fact cheaper, you can get a VW Touareg V10 TDI, have a hell of a lot more Torque, pull as much as a Ram and go offroading with the best of them, oh and it's diesel, so with sensible driving 25 mpg would be easily possible. Oh and it has an excellent on-road ride as well."


The Toureg isn't offered as a diesel in America as far as I know. So here the Escalade has a more power.


"The Escalades survive only on the premise that"

"1. They are aimed at middle aged men trying to extend thier ego, because they can't extend a certain thing down low."


We don't need to know your own personal problems.

"2. Rappers and Wiggas who want to be bling bling y0!!! and waste thier money on crap."

Cadillac did a good job in advertising. They held parties for celebrities and let them drive the vehicles.

"Or dumb suburban bitches who have two kids, who are weedier than most kids whose parents drive Geos and want to waste precious parking room and waste everybodies time."


Those dumb bitches drive bigger vehicles because they need room to carry grocery and kids around. Anyways the parking spots in America are big enough to accomodate bigger vehicles.


Questions Jimster, do you have anything good to say about American made vehicles.

[gonenuts15792]

In response to Jimster:


"The sole purpose of these big things is to be taken offroad, if you want a luxury car, what is wrong wth a Deville??? Or one of the even better German marques luxury saloon??? Not only are you being more considerate to others around you, you're probably drinking less of mother natures resources."


Many SUVs are not made to be full fledged off roaders. "Or one of the even better german marques luxury saloon" get this out of your head, there are better cars out there than the German and Italian made cars. Cadillac is just as good in quality if you look at the new vehicles coming out.


"The most stolen vehicle in America is the 1988 Toyota Camry, are you going to call them desirable???"


Ironically the Escalade is actually the most stolen vehicle in America.


"The Maybach is pointless, as is the Veyron, as is pretty much any car over 6.0 liters, 5.5 meters or 2200 Kg's."


Since when did we start talking about cars.


and it's not safer than any car out there, roll it over and unless you have a roll cage, then you're more than likely to be dead or seriously injured and yes, you can roll any SUV, no matter how many ESP programs they stuff into them."


The land rover is recorded to roll over more than the Escalade"

[Ssom]

Yeah right, Suburban Soccer-mums really need the space to carry groceries and kids. Newsflash Einstein- My mum has been getting around with Honda Civics for a good while now takes more than enough groceries and has lugged around our family of 3 kids effortlessly. Well us kids have now become Teens and my dads VW Passat sedan handles the family transport stuff easily.

There are not better cars than German or Italian cars- There is no luxury car better than an Audi RS6 or Mercedes Benz E55 AMG. Or the Maserati Quattroporte. Yet alone an S600L or 760Li.


And there are numerous SUV's better than an Escalade- almost all of them as a matter of fact.

[HandofDoom]

Posted by Moss1O6GTi - 02-04-2004 at 12:50 AMI don't get it, there is honestly no point to this car- Cadillac already have a full size luxury car, so why jack one up, make it completely obnoxious and inconsiderate to other users???

The SUV concept is for off-roaders- always has been- always will be. It screams out "Small dick!!!" The drivers think they can use thier tank to push other drivers around- but I don't fall for it- if they hit me- thier at fault, they pay.

Ever had an SUV come up behind you with the lights on, making looking in the rear view mirror impossible?? I have, ever seen an SUV crash into the back of a car and cause senseless damage to the other car??? I have. Don't get me started on the dangers they pose to pedestrians.


They are not safer than normal cars, at all- the NRMA, Euro NCAP and NHTSA all have crash tested SUV's, I haven't seen one do as good as a Volvo, Saab or Renault. The Escalade ESV onlt holds a three star rating for passenger-side frontal-impacts and an EXT- a three star for frontal drivers-side impacts- as you see here- http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/testi...s/2004SUVs.html So it's all a myth.

Did you even bother to read my other posts where me and Jim discussed this?Some people like huge SUV's rather then cars.You know,Merc and BMW have full size luxury cars,and they build a SUV,but nobody bitches about them.Why is that?They may not be as big but there still quite large.And how is it obnoctious and inconsiderate to other users?They don't bother me at all.

I guess you can say that Cadillac invented a new genre on SUV then.Because they did not build this to be a off-roader.Like it or not,they didn't.And I will mention this again,because you didnt read any of my other posts,either that or your just ignorant,but show me a person that has taken their Escalade off-roading.Like I said,you want to go off-roading?Get yourself a Land Rover or Hummer.There made for off-roading.One more thing,Im sure anybody that hits you with their Escalade,Im sure the repairs would be pocket change for them.

Ok,next,I have had ALL KINDS of cars come up behind me with there high beams on.Its not just a Escalade driver thing.Thats why they have that little nob on the mirror,what you do is push it and it puts the mirror at an angle so you can see just fine.Or if you have a luxury car,such as a Caddy,it dims the mirror for you.Now that you know how to do this you no longer have nothing to cry about.You are not the brightest thing that ever walked the earth are you.Ive seen freakin Aspires rearend cars.Again,its just not a Escalade driver thing.They call these people dumbasses who shouldn't be allowed to driveAnd what auto doesn't pose dangers to pedestrians?Infact,ready for some common sense?Infact,your more likely to be hit by a small car then a Escalade.Reason being,you can probably see a huge Escalade comming around a corning or whereever better then you can a small car.

So your saying you would rather go head on with a Ford Excursion in a Honda Accord rather then a Escalade?Or be side swiped by a Excursion in a Accord rather then a Escalade?Or be hit by any other tye of vehicle in any other car rather then a Escalade?God help you then.

And gonuts,you basically restated everything I had already said,may I ask why?