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Old 01-18-2005, 11:01 PM   #16
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

my buddy had an '03 sunfire... too many problems. so he traded it in for the Dodge R/T
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:29 PM   #17
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Re: Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

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my buddy had an '03 sunfire... too many problems. so he traded it in for the Dodge R/T
Yep, her car is an '03 too. She had an "in" at the Pontiac dealership and got a great deal on a poorly designed car. As soon as the warranty is up, it's gone! We're already thinking about it's replacement, which undoubtedly will be something from Japan.

Still, I just can't stop thinking...
If only I had tried harder to talk her into that Acura RSX!
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:35 PM   #18
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Japan is good, my dad's '02 Civic hasn't given him any trouble.

my buddys sunfire, <50k kms. brakes/rotors needed replacement. 3rd gear grinded on downshift. $3600 to fix (i should say replace 'cause they "can't" fix these trannys.) and other little quirks as well.
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:46 PM   #19
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

So, how 'bout those '71-'87 Civic/CRX's?
I hear they're pretty good cars!
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Old 01-18-2005, 11:58 PM   #20
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

except for the extra floor vents in mine, left front and right rear. they're letting water in in this weather. but that will be a summer project...
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:33 PM   #21
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Maybe CVCC_Wagon should talk to igor about being a mod... The 88-91 guys got a new mod... Might help a little bit if there is a mod that is more active in the forums.. I think I might just PM igor about it and recommend CVCC as a new mod...
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Old 01-19-2005, 12:35 PM   #22
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Or... I could just recommend that I become a new mod... *laughs evily* Then I could really feel the power!!!

By the way, do you guys recommend putting a b18 with a V-TEC b16 head in my 87 Si?? I had someone the other day tell me that I was "plum" crazy and that it would blow the valve cover off when V-TEC kicked in... Honestly, I just think he is an idiot, seeing he blew a rotarty motor (RX-7) off of the line the first time he raced it. Something about a 150 shot of N20 off of the line...
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Old 01-19-2005, 09:58 PM   #23
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Hmmm...

Seems like a bad idea to put a smaller head on a bigger motor. But I'm no B-series expert, so this raises several questions for me: What is the CR for the B16 and B18? What is the volume of the combustion chamber for the different heads? Does the B16 head have smaller valves than the B18 head? How do the two heads compare on a flow chart?

It seems that putting a smaller head that has smaller valves and less flow on a bigger motor would be like shooting yourself in the foot, even if it does have V-TEC. It seems that there would be more posential in the larger B18 head. But like I said, I'm no B-series/V-TEC expert, this is all pure speculation. Without knowing the specs for each head, It would be difficult to tell you if it would work. Maybe someone at RPR knows, or maybe here in the '88+ Civic forums.
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search LS/Vtec or some variation of that. the swap has been done many times with the newer gen guys. there is quite a bit of conflicting info on this site about it (search, lots of info in this site) apparently some guys love it, lots of power. i believe the Vtec head is comparable to the B18 head in design aside from the Vtec technology. from what i have read there is no issue with C/R or anything like that. while some guys love it others hate it with a passion, i read an entire (somewhat of a rant but quite educated) post about the con rod length in relation to the stroke i think. anyhow, the B18 block is not designed to take the power that the B16 head produces and it's a ticking time bomb to put a rod through the block. like i said, search and you shall find. as far as swapping a b- series into a 84-87, there is a mounting kit but every post i have ever read on the topic has at least one person pointing out the $3000+ price tag in the long run. i myself have never priced it out (i have a 2G, whole different story) but it sounds as though it's a pretty close figure even if you do come about a free motor.

mod eh... hmm
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Old 01-20-2005, 10:33 AM   #25
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

its an acura ls bottom block with an v-tech head...it dosent have to be a b16 head..as long as its a v-tech it will work. it can be from a teg gsr,a civic si or a del sol (the expensive one..b16a3 i think..) the ls block takes a wopping and it sure is damn fast...when i bought my 87 4 door i thought it had a d16 motor swap but to my surprize,it was a hybrid.it was an ls block with a delsol head...my bro gave me his nos system...i shot 75 up that baby...the last car i raced (witch we shouldnt be doing andshould be respecting all the traffic laws... ) as an sti that night it went all out...wasted all the nos,broke the v-tech controler,fryed the ecu and so what...i think i wrote it in a celica article...what i dont understand is the motor mounts tey used for the car...?crazy ass puertoricans and there super unsafe custom jobs.....





A mod you say..... hmmmmmmm.......




................nope i suck....cvcc would be a greate mod.....
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Here's something I've started to research:

Taking into account that an '88-'91 D15 head will fit on an '84-'87 d15/EW block with very little modification, and also knowing that you can put a '91+ D15 V-TEC head on and '88-'91 block (called a mini-me swap). It seems entirely possible that someone could put a '91+ d15 V-TEC head on an '84-'87 D15/EW. The ECU would have to be swapped along with the rest of the electrical, but it seems that it could be done with relative ease.

I'm also wondering if the same V-TEC head will fit on an '84-'87 Civic wagon AWD block. This way the '86-'89 Integra transmission could be used with this mini-mini-me swap. The benefit of the Teggy trans is that it is geared better and has equal length CV shafts which eliminates torque steer. The AWD motor is the only SOHC D-series motor that will accept the Teggy trans. The block can also be bored to fit D16 pistons. This would essentially be a SOHC D16 V-TEC W/a better transmission!

I'm thinking about ditching my D16A1 swap and going this route. I just need to figure out the head compatability issue.
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

Dude... You rock! Go for it! I want to do the "Poor man's type R" thing with the b18 and the b16 head... But I guess I'll need to do more research.
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Dude... You rock! Go for it! I want to do the "Poor man's type R" thing with the b18 and the b16 head... But I guess I'll need to do more research.
Wish I could have had more insight for you on the B-series question, but I haven't done much research on the topic of B-series mods.

I guess I'll still shove the D16A1 in my 'ol Rex just because I'm already half way there and because it desperately needs a new motor, but I am seriously researching the SOHC D16 V-TEC option. If I can find a way to make it work, I'm definitely going to try it. I'll keep y'all posted.
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

eldo on redpepperracing.com is doing something similar. he has the 88-91 D15 head in his shop modified to fit the EW block, still untested as to how it will actually work tho. he also has a vtec head which has yet to be modified but that will come soon. he is planning on using the vtec with a carb, basically off for the street with a stage 2 cam profile and on for the track with some crazy grind. one thing you should know lxndr, the D16A1 has the same head bolt pattern as the EW/D15. there is some sort of oil passage issue that prevents the 16 head from being put onto the EW block, there is also the DOHC timing belt tensioner issue but theoretically you could put a '91+ d15 V-TEC onto a D16A1 block and bypass the boring out if the AWD motor. and start thinking about throwing the vtec head onto your D16
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Old 01-21-2005, 01:53 PM   #30
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Re: passenger brake doesn't work! Help please!

The reason I am aprehensive about using the D16A1 block is because of the timing belt tensioner issue. The tensioner is in a slightly different position to allow clearance for the DOHC. I'll have to do a mock up in order to find out if I can get a SOHC VTEC head on the D16A1 without too much modification.

I have also compared the head gasket from a D15A3 to the block of a D16A6 and it looks like the heads can be swapped rather easily. The D16A6 head will bolt on to the D15A3 block but there needs to be a little modofocation to what looks like the rear oil passages. This modification looks simple and would only take about 2 minutes with a Dremel, but I'll need to have all the parts in front of me to know for sure.

Anyway, since the D16A6 head will fit on a D15A3 it seems that a D16Y8 VTEC head will also fit on a D15A3 since it is a direct bolt on for the D16A6 block. Wheew, try saying that 3 times fast!

If all else fails, maybe I'll bore out my D15 and use a VTEC head. Since I've already got an '88 Integra ECU and wiring harness to run the motor, all I'll need is a VTEC controller (available from A'PEXi).


I'm goin' to the junk yard today to hunt for parts!
cvcc_wagon, I'll let you know if I find a 1G civic.
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