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Old 01-13-2012, 05:27 PM   #16
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Speaking of PE parts, I'm also wondering what to use to attach them to paint?

I don't really use expoxy much so not sure what type would not harm paint and be cleanable\workable?

I was also thinking slow-drying superglue or white glue?

Any further advice?

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Old 01-13-2012, 07:17 PM   #17
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

I've been wondering about that myself... no idea as of yet.

What I did just now:

Cleaned up the mirrors.








Also decided to circumvent the wheel problem - I'll just use the wheels from one of the other kits and tackle the problems with this set of wheels when the time come to build the other kit, lol.

Mounted up the wheels.









NOT satisfied with how it sits.

The rear sits uneven, one side is lower than the other and the wheel also sticks farther inwards on the driver's side.

And on the front the whole axle sits too far back.

We'll see how I'll tackle these problems...


And I'm dreading this part of the build... this is the supplied roll cage. No instructions pertaining to this included. I have no idea yet how this is supposed to go together.

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Old 01-13-2012, 07:24 PM   #18
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Epoxy won't damage paint. To clean up any excess it helps to time it right. If you don't wait long enough the glue is still gummy and you make your mess worse and too long and it gets hard. @ 20min - 1hr is the best time. Make a chisel with a sharp edge from a toothpick and gently work the edges of the epoxy blobs from all angles.
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Old 01-13-2012, 07:57 PM   #19
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Dr.AK, as 914joe said epoxy won't hurt the paint. The best way I found to attach mirrors is to use a short piece of wire as a locating pin to help positively locate the part.

As for swapping the rims, just make sure the PE BBS inserts fit first - hopefully they will. Now is also the time to get the ride height the way you want it and to correct wheel placement.

The supplied roll cage is a generic plastic set, I had the exact same one in Provence Moulage Porsche GT2 but I was lucky that I had a Tamiya GT2 to copy the general layout of the cage - ie not correct but looks convincing enough. I suggest try google to get the general idea and make it fit or just leave it out.
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

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Dr.AK, as 914joe said epoxy won't hurt the paint. The best way I found to attach mirrors is to use a short piece of wire as a locating pin to help positively locate the part.
That's what I was going to do, you can actually see the tiny holes I drilled into the car body, but I'm a bit nervous to drill the mirrors themselves, as they are so thin and delicate. Maybe I'll try this once I've received my set of micro drills. Smallest I have right now is 1mm.

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As for swapping the rims, just make sure the PE BBS inserts fit first - hopefully they will. Now is also the time to get the ride height the way you want it and to correct wheel placement.
Yes, I checked - the barrels of the wheels are exactly the same, only on the original set the bore for the axles is way too small.

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The supplied roll cage is a generic plastic set, I had the exact same one in Provence Moulage Porsche GT2 but I was lucky that I had a Tamiya GT2 to copy the general layout of the cage - ie not correct but looks convincing enough. I suggest try google to get the general idea and make it fit or just leave it out.
Thanks! So just try & error, then. What about bending some pieces - should I heat them up a bit first? Wait... this is plastic, of course I should heat them up.
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Normaly the generic rollcage sprue supplied in PM/Starter kit is enough to build the entire rollcage, but that's makers opinion !!
they are usefull to complete the rollcage but except on my very first 1/43 kit I never only use it to build a rollcage.
They don't need any heat to be bent or worked, but it you have too heavy hands you may brake it !
some parts can be usefull to avoid hard bending work, but by experience most of it has to be replaced by electric wire or metal rods.

Nice to see a 1/43 model here, they are not so common.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:46 AM   #22
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

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Normaly the generic rollcage sprue supplied in PM/Starter kit is enough to build the entire rollcage, but that's makers opinion !!
they are usefull to complete the rollcage but except on my very first 1/43 kit I never only use it to build a rollcage.
They don't need any heat to be bent or worked, but it you have too heavy hands you may brake it !
some parts can be usefull to avoid hard bending work, but by experience most of it has to be replaced by electric wire or metal rods.
Thanks for the tips!

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Nice to see a 1/43 model here, they are not so common.
Yes, sadly... I've always liked this scale - don't really see why it's not more popular even if its a bit more fiddly...


Got the problems with the wheels sorted!







I moved the opening for the front axle forward by 1 mm and to make it a tight fit again, so the axle wouldn't wobble, I glued a strip of 1mm plastic to the rear of the opening - so it was basically just moved 1mm forward.





And the rear wheel solution is still in progress, but I know how to get them sitting right now, at least... a 1mm spacer for the passenger side will fix the issue. I did a small test using some plastic in which I drilled a 2mm hole for the axle. This will get some more work, currently it is just a test.



If anyone asks, yes, that is plastic from a tic tac box
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Nice work!
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Old 01-14-2012, 03:35 PM   #24
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

I've got a question...

Some of the tiny photo etch parts need to be painted (i.e. door handles in white). What is the best way to paint these? While still on the sprue? Or cut them out and then just... I dunno, lay them out somewhere and spray with a really low pressure so they don't fly away?

Theoretically both ways should work... The rear side doesn't need paint anyway.

Maybe I'll just try a few methods, see what works for myself.

I want to tackle the roll cage tomorrow and then get everything ready for primer.
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

On the smallest 1/43 PE part I use to paint them off the sprue with a brush after a coat of Citadel primer.
Sometimes I even glue them in place unpainted (just primed) and directly paint them with the final color once glued on the model. That's what I do with antennas for example.
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Hi there, as a fan of the mid-'90s touring cars, I've been following your build.

So far so good!

Here are some images of the roll cage of a similar 318i, that might help you out:





Hope these help. Can't wait to see it finished!
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Wow, thanks, that's really helpful.

Also love that site, superb infos and pics there.
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

So, today I started with the roll cage. Challenge accepted, as they say.

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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

This supplied roll cage universal kit thing is complete and utter crap. Or I'm too stupid to work with it. I just can't get it to stick together at all.

I'll get myself some 1mm brass rod and bend the cage out of that. Any tips for soldering the individual parts of the roll cage together? Can I just use a soldering iron or a normal lighter?
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Re: 1/43 BMW E36 318i A. Heger '94

Never used a lighter or open flame to solder, but I should think a normal soldering iron and some flux would work fine. You'll probably need some kind of jig or third hand to position the pieces prior to soldering. After you get some of the structure built, you'll need to take care that soldering a new joint does not heat the existing rod enough to melt your already completed work. Pics!

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