The Import Scene

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by USAKnight
Why don't you take a high-school look around? Every year, thousands of workers in the textile and other industries are left jobless because of NAFTA and globalization. Why don't you go down to Mississippi and tell those people left without a way to put food on the table for their children that "it's not American to buy American" and that other bullshit? I know why, because you would walk home with your riceburner hanging out of your ass, that's why. Or go down to your local VFW and tell those guys that used to hang around such wonderful resort locales as Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Tarawa, and Okinawa about how wonderful the Japanese are and how bad we are? Because you would soon have an unpleasant encounter with the business end of an M1 Garand, that's why.

Neutrino, you own an American car. Why are you defending these ricers?

As for the Jap PM calling us those names, it happened. Back when George Bush Sr. was president, around 1990, I believe.

As for why American companies don't put out superfast cars, have you ever thought about something called "insurance"? Every American V8 car that comes out is persecuted by the insurance companies until it ceases production. Insurance companies had as much to do with the death of the muscle car as did OPEC, so no, I'm not just pissed at the imports.

As for factories over here, where do you think the profit goes to? Back to Japan.

I'm not defending any ricers.....but i am graduating from my University with a international relations degree emphasis on Global Trade and Economy.....so I have a very trourough backround in economics.....and even though some people will suffer from trade the Fact is that if the US would become a mercantilistic country its economy would be destroyed and your standard of living would go way down....


this is true for any country that tries to be selfsuficient.....study Brasil in the 80's for example and see what heppned to their economy when they tried to produce everything themselves

I would recomend some readings....the basic liberal economics theories of Ricardo or Adam Smith would be a good start....when you'll understand the comparative advantage theory you'll see why trade is good.....

[USAKnight]

You still don't get it. I'm not against trade, I'm against a foreign nation attempting to overrun our culture and attempts to force global conformity. What do you think I am, some kind of communist? I know how the economy (or what Dubya has left of it) works. As for insurance, suddenly street racing and speeding in a four-banger riceburner is safer than driving a V8? Come on! World War II was a long time ago, huh? Well, 9/11 wasn't yesterday, either. Let's talk about how nice Isamic radicals are. Go tell a Jewish person we should forget that war. Liberal economics, the "L" word is the key, isn't it? A bunch of bed-wetting, whining liberals trying to destroy the US and everything it stands for. I knew that the Japs calling for stricter gun control over here was part of a larger plan. The entire population under 30, with the exception of a few, have absolutely no idea what our nation is about, or our heritage, or our culture. All they care about is what's new and what's popular. Keep it up, folks, and see how long our freedom lasts.

YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL.

"Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it."

[JekylandHyde]

Originally posted by USAKnight
What do you think I am, some kind of communist?

Yes. If you are intending to dictate from whom folks buy their goods from, you surely are closer to communist economic system than a free enterprise system.

Originally posted by USAKnight
As for insurance, suddenly street racing and speeding in a four-banger riceburner is safer than driving a V8?

When the numbers come in and 4-bangers start killing more folks than V8 I am sure the insruacne industry will respond. Maybe you should look at my street racing death page and see how many of those stories are Mustangs....

Originally posted by USAKnight
World War II was a long time ago, huh? Well, 9/11 wasn't yesterday, either. Let's talk about how nice Isamic radicals are. Go tell a Jewish person we should forget that war.

I really love debating with you Does that point really make sense to you? I would not tell you to forget about kicking somone in the nuts yesterday, but I would tell you to forget about someone who kicked your grandfather in the nuts 60+ years ago.... why would you take out on that guys grandchildren?

Originally posted by USAKnight
The entire population under 30have absolutely no idea what our nation is about, or our heritage, or our culture.

Well a big part of "what our culture" is about is the free enterprise system, which you seem to lack knowledge of.

Originally posted by USAKnight
Keep it up, folks, and see how long our freedom lasts.

Requiring people to "Buy American" would impose on freedoms... so apprently you ARE into getting rid of freedoms? You can't have it both ways. If you want a country with freedom, than folks will have the freedom to determine what products are best for them in the market place.

Originally posted by USAKnight
YOU CAN ALL GO TO HELL.

Funny how that kind of line is never said by the person winning the debate..... interesting.

You might want to look into a course on debate, in addition to that economics course. Hell, you might want to throw in a philosophy course too.

[USAKnight]

Did I say "The government should pass laws to make it illegal to buy foreign cars."? No. I said people shouldn't buy them, voluntarily. A boycott, if you will. I voice my views, you delete my thread; obviously someone has a problem with Freedom of Speech, A First Amendment right. I'm simply making an argument here. Did I say anything about restriciting trade? No. I am talking about a voluntary boycott and providing reasons to support it. If I had made a statement like "we should shut off all foreign trade and ban imports" then you would have a point, but I made no statement. Foreign trade is good, but when too much begins to harm domestic industry due to dumping, it's time to start looking out for number 1. I'm trying to stir a little pride here, get people to thinking. If I got some young people to thinking about the world around them instead of MTV and reality TV, I've accomplished my mission. I just hope that you are as concerned about civil liberties as you are about foreign trade. Do I think that Detroit has been sleeping on the job? HELL YES! Are all American cars inferior? HELL NO! I used to own a Mercury Cougar that had a rod knock at 130,000, but I also own a Chevy van that had over 325,000 on it without a problem until my dad let the Quadrajunk crap out due to poor maintanence. As for high-tech being the last word, look at a NASCAR Winston Cup car. NASCAR sucks since Earnhardt died, but those cars turn out 750-800 hp, and could, unrestricted, power those 3,400 steel cars to around 240 mph. They were running over 212 in 1987 before restrictor plates. That's carbs and pushrods in a smallblock. And how about NHRA? 7,000 hp/330 mph? I don't know why the OHC was so long in adaptation for production cars, both Chevy and Ford had them in their drag racing programs back in the 1960s. Look after your culture and how your honor the past, because everything that happens today happens as a result of the past. As for those guys at the VFW, seriously go thank them. Their sacrifice 60 years ago stomped out the most horrible tyranny the world has ever known, something that makes Saddam and his stooges look like mischievious Boy Scouts.


I still hate import cars, especially the riced-up ones. Because folks, when you put purple stripes and pink splatter paint, along with a huge wing and a primered air dam on any car, it just looks at best retarded, and usually just gay. And we don't need the American male to be anymore emasticated than boy bands and Barney have already made him.

[Neutrino]

do you think i like riced up cars no.....and i stand for the fact that domestic cars are as good as imports....of couse variations from model to model and from brand to brand exist.....but to boycot foreign cars is equivalent to blocking trade.....which again its harmful to the us economy.....


you mentioned dumping....problem with dumping is that its imposible to do over a long enough period of time to do harm....we've done the mathematical and historical proff of it in class.....several US firms actually went in front of the Supreme Court to acuse a case of dumping and they were trown out......

you really have to try to study in depth economics to understand all those facets of long term macro economic efects...its not something you can get out of newspapers or CNN

[JekylandHyde]

Originally posted by USAKnight
Did I say "The government should pass laws to make it illegal to buy foreign cars."? No. I said people shouldn't buy them, voluntarily.

You have a point. But would you not also agree that freedom would include buying a foreign car without being harrased and berated by my fellow countrymen?

Originally posted by USAKnight
you delete my thread; obviously someone has a problem with Freedom of Speech, A First Amendment right.

Actually "I" did not delete your post, I do not have that power on this board.
And freedom of speech does not apply to a private message board. The owners of the board and their agents can delete, edit and censor you as they wish.

Originally posted by USAKnight
it's time to start looking out for number 1.

Maybe #1 should work on being competitive at their own game? What kind of "person" designs a game and then wants to whine when others beat them at it?

Originally posted by USAKnight
As for high-tech being the last word, look at a NASCAR Winston Cup car.

rofl NASCAR is using push rod motors and you are referncing them as high-tech rofl

Originally posted by USAKnight
those cars turn out 750-800 hp,

Out of a nearly 6 liter engine.... CART was getting over 1000HP out of a 2.3 liter engine.

Originally posted by USAKnight
That's carbs and pushrods in a smallblock.

Whooo hooo ... blast from the past. Maybe we should go back to manual cranking our cars to start them up?

Originally posted by USAKnight
As for those guys at the VFW, seriously go thank them. Their sacrifice 60 years ago stomped out the most horrible tyranny the world has ever known

Yes of course..... but do you really think the people of Japan, Germany and Italy are proud of how their country behaved in the past? It is a new world. Get with the program.

You act as though the U.S. does no wrong. Tell you what, I am going to chat with our friends at the VFW while you go chat with some American Indians (if you can find one).

[USAKnight]

I DIDN'T REFER TO NASCAR AS HIGH-TECH, I USED THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OF LOW-TECH POWER! TRY READING MY POSTS!

Well, if we're so slow and backwards and ignorant, maybe next time North Korea or China rises up, let Japan handle them alone. See how long that lasts. BTW, the computer you're reading this on, wonder where it was designed and made? The next time you get sick, don't go and take advantage of our medical technology, go to Japan. Which nation was the first to fly? Hell, we had airliners back when the Japanese were first discovering coal! And dammit, that don't look like the rising sun up on the moon! Looks like the stars and stripes to me, been there 30 years, too. Seriously, how much technology do the Japanese get from us? If it wasn't for our pioneering efforts in mass production, you wouldn't have a car period, or much of anything else.

IF WE'RE THAT BAD, LEAVE! I'D BE DAMNED IF I STAYED IN A PLACE THAT BAD.

Globalization is leading to a world tyranny. Face it people. Today cars, tomorrow our government. Go check on the civil liberties enjoyed by people in Asia, if you can find any.
I tried to be civil in my last post, but I see that I can't.
DRIVE YOUR TINY JAP CARS. JUST WATCH OUT FOR THOSE BIG, MEAN AMERICAN 18-WHEELERS, YOU KNOW THE ONES WITH ABOUT A MILLION MILES ON THEM WITH LITTLE MORE THAN REGULAR OIL CHANGES. I HEAR THEY MAKE AN EXTRA NASTY MESS OUT OF A COMPACT.

[JekylandHyde]

Originally posted by USAKnight
BTW, the computer you're reading this on, wonder where it was designed and made? The next time you get sick, don't go and take advantage of our medical technology, go to Japan. Which nation was the first to fly? Hell, we had airliners back when the Japanese were first discovering coal!

You really do not understand free enterprise do you? I will buy my products where I find the best value, regardless of who produced it. Did I ever make a blanket statement that ALL Japanese products are better value than U.S. products?

Originally posted by USAKnight
If it wasn't for our pioneering efforts in mass production, you wouldn't have a car period, or much of anything else

So I should buy a U.S. built car because we pioneered an assembly line 100 years ago?

Originally posted by USAKnight
IF WE'RE THAT BAD, LEAVE! I'D BE DAMNED IF I STAYED IN A PLACE THAT BAD.

Please show me where ever I said that we are bad? I love my country. I love living in a coutnry where I can freely buy a Japanese car of my choice.

Originally posted by USAKnight

Funny how that kind of line is never said by the person winning the debate..... interesting.

You might want to look into a course on debate, in addition to that economics course. Hell, you might want to throw in a philosophy course too.

[USAKnight]

YOU PUNKS THINK EVERY THING IS SOLVED WITH A COLLEGE COURSE! SO FREE ENTERPRISE IS BUYING EVERYTHING EXCEPT PRODUCTS MADE IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY, FREE ENTERPRISE IS BASHING YOUR HOME COUNTRY, AND FREE ENTERPRISE IS ALLOWING A FOREIGN NATION TO TRY TO DICTATE DOMESTIC POLICY. DAMN, THAT'S A LOT.

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A COURSE IN KISSING MY WHITE, AMERICAN, ASS. WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, LOOK IT TAKING ANOTHER COURSE IN FUCKING YOURSELF.

[JekylandHyde]

Originally posted by USAKnight
YOU PUNKS THINK EVERY THING IS SOLVED WITH A COLLEGE COURSE! SO FREE ENTERPRISE IS BUYING EVERYTHING EXCEPT PRODUCTS MADE IN YOUR HOME COUNTRY, FREE ENTERPRISE IS BASHING YOUR HOME COUNTRY, AND FREE ENTERPRISE IS ALLOWING A FOREIGN NATION TO TRY TO DICTATE DOMESTIC POLICY. DAMN, THAT'S A LOT.

WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A COURSE IN KISSING MY WHITE, AMERICAN, ASS. WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, LOOK IT TAKING ANOTHER COURSE IN FUCKING YOURSELF.

[LancasterWannaBe]

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WHY DON'T YOU TAKE A COURSE IN KISSING MY WHITE, AMERICAN, ASS. WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, LOOK IT TAKING ANOTHER COURSE IN FUCKING YOURSELF.

Yeah I'm proud to be an American just like you....
Grow up, or leave, just drop the name calling crap cause it makes you and everything you stand for look like crap.

Muscle Cars never died, they just modernized.
Corvette - one of the MOST advanced cars in the world.
Viper - common, it's a viper.

But you know what USAKnight, we can't forget WW2, you're right. Hell everyone's driving around with those 9/11 stickers that say "never forget" or "always remember." Why then should WW2 be any different.

Israel didn't even have a nation until after WW2 when we and several other nations decided to give them one. Unfortunately, it was on land belonging to other peoples. And thus we have the modern conflict. It would be pretty hard to support Israel if we all forgot WW2 wouldn't it.

9/11 branches directly from WW2, as did the cold war, which included the Korean War, Vietnam, Bay of Pigs, Cuban Misile Crisis.... Basicly the last 60 years has been full of conflicts due to WW2.

But guess what WW2 came from. Thats right, WW1. Conflicts were never put to rest, and nations were bitterly broken and thrown into poverty. Which is why Germany hated the French so much, look at the demands France laid down for the Germans (see it's the French, lol).

WW1 came from the 19th century's politics and the fact that almost every European nation was mass producing weapons.

Before that look to the French again and Napoleon.

Look back further and you'll see, people never forget, so then nor should we. We're probably still fighting wars that were started by the Egyptians 5000 years ago.

We should NEVER forget WW2, but we can't continue to hold it against Japan.

If the US wants to work on some of our economics we have many other places to start.

We have our own oil, we have vast sections of land from growing crops that could be distilled to methanol, We have oceans all around for producing Hydrogen and Oxygen to be used in fuel cells.

If you asked me what we should do next, I say stop depending on the Arabs for oil. They can mess with our prices, or threaten not to supply us anytime there's a conflict.

Right now there is a deal in the works between Alaska and California that would supply us with oil at 1/4 the price! I know because I did the audio at a meeting concerning it. Lets just hope dumb ass AMERICANS dont mess it up.

Tell me something, when you were young, how many of your toys said made in China?

[HiFlow5 0]

OK guys I'm sick of reading your bickering in this forum. These topics you have all brought up are way out of reach of the drag racing aspect that this forum is meant for. If you all wish to keep this argument going, please keep it to PM's, or an appropriate forum.