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Old 02-13-2006, 03:13 PM   #106
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gionc
only few words:

AMAZING
WONDERFUL
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SUPERDETAILED
OhMyGod
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and at least really inspiring for all here, thanks a lot.
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Old 02-14-2006, 12:53 PM   #107
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

simply amazing!!
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Old 02-15-2006, 04:02 AM   #108
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Great progress as usual. This definitely has to be my favourite thread. Keep those updates coming.
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Old 02-15-2006, 01:03 PM   #109
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Le sigh.
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Another two weeks gone ( already ) and here comes a new update. I didn’t do a lot of bits but some really complicated and time consuming stuff! I finally had to tackle the rear suspension. I had kept working around this up to now because I knew it would be tricky:-)
To make things worse, while taking measurements I realized ( as I mentioned in my last update ) that the top of the gearbox was too low relative to the body parts that sit between the suspension arms and the rear end of the cowling. First I thought I could just raise the whole engine a bit to fix that but then the lower parts would have been too high relative to the undertray. O.k…..we’re talking of around 1 to 1,5mm but in scale that makes a difference. After checking around my pictures it turned out the “cast in” stiffeners of the box top could be a bit higher and still look right. So I raised those features with styrene bits.




Like this the suspension pieces would come higher as well and the rest ( if necessary ) could be fixed with them. I also found another thing to fix while doing all this reference checking.
In the Tamiya kit the rear dampers sit on the flat sides of the gearbox but in the top view of the real thing that comes a bit further down the post you can see there’s actually an indentation in the casing on both sides. I can’t tell from my pictures if it really goes all the way down but later this will hardly be visible anyway. Without it I would have had trouble soon after fitting everything together.
There’s a forward and rear subframe on each side that hold a turning element which connects them and the pushrods with the dampers. You can see the assembly on the real thing in this picture. This looks nice… but very complicated ( and heavy ) compared to the layout on current cars.





In the next picture you see the scratchbuilt model subframes. After my failed attempt to do them in brass I gave it a try with Ureol because that’s stronger than styrene. I then found out it’s also nicer to work with for this application and I think I’ll use it more often now.
The upper parts are the forward arms. I wouldn’t bet on their shape being correct because in my photos they are mostly hidden by other parts but that will be the same on the model so who can tell :-)




The arms are made from 0,2 and 0,4mm thick bits superglued together. This involved a lot of sanding and filing but ultimately worked out fine. The front and rear arms are built up from 13 and 17 individual pieces respectively….quite some work. This really put a miniature CNC-mill very high up on my wish list….. seems I have to start playing the lottery:-)
So far the pieces still look a bit messy in places but some primer and careful sanding should fix that.
In the next picture you see them sketch glued to the engine/gearbox that I finally primered in the meantime.




Next up is the top view of the real assembly that I mentioned before, taken from over the rear wing. There’s a lot going on!





My next step were the pieces that run longitudinally between the arms and connect the vertical dampers with the pushrods. I have no idea if they have some technical name but I guess you know what I’m talking about:-)
I had made these two already some time ago and of course now they didn’t fit exactly….
That’s the problem with scratch building these things….you basically have to build everything at the same time to make sure it fits or you have to change some pieces later on. I was lucky though and didn’t have to rebuild them. I could correct the boxy parts that hold the dampers and now they fit. Here you see them test mounted together with a bunch of other primered engine pieces.




Now I can also carry on with the rear dampers and fit them.
After that the exhaust pipe will follow but to know where this will go I turned my attention back to the undertray.
After rebuilding the rear end of it at the very beginning of this project the original “exhaust” was gone but it was crap anyway so now I had to rebuild it a bit nicer. Normally you don’t get to see this area of a F1 car ( especially these days ) but luckily there was one MP4/4 high up on display at Goodwood last year ( see the very first picture of this thread ).
I almost missed this opportunity at the show but late Saturday afternoon when they had closed the access below the display for the evening’s party guests I still managed to get a shot with a tele lens.





Funny enough the vertical diffusor fins are missing on this one but you get to see the exhaust heat shields and skid block in the centre.
I built the fins from 0.2mm sheet styrene using the original kit pieces and some other photos as reference. The skid block is a photo etched brass piece. The heat shields would have been obvious parts to be etched too, but when i did the photo etching I thought I couldn’t “pre”-decide the shape of the holes for the exhaust pipes without having the actual holes and that their elliptical shape would “develop” when drilled in the undertray. ( Jeeez that sounds complicated…but I guess you get what I mean ). Anyway I was wrong :-(
After drilling the holes they looked nothing like on the real car so I shaped them like on the picture with a lot of careful filing and sanding. The heat shields are made from 0.1mm nickel silver sheet and i had to be very careful not to bend them in the process.



At the moment they are polished but they’ll lose their shine later on and get some “rivets”.

That’s it for now. See you at the next update:-)
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Stunning work
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Old 02-27-2006, 11:34 AM   #112
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

I hate to just post "awesome" in this thread over and over but... awesome!
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come on guys,time to wake up!it's only a dream...
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Very impressive! Attention to detail and the level of styrene craftsmanship is something to behold. Keep it up!
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Old 02-27-2006, 04:57 PM   #115
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Stunning work. This ureol you are using seems to be a nice product. Where could I locate some of this?
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

*keeps eyeballs from falling out of their sockets*
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Mike

That's a bit difficult to say where you can best get the stuff. Your best bet would be a Design college if you happen to live near one or a local professional model/prototype building company.
The material is polyurethane and comes in various densities and is manufactured by various companies under different names. Ureol is the original name. "Necuron" is another one. Maybe you should google it and see what you get in your area.
The problem is that by most suppliers it's sold in massive ( and expensive ) blocks that will probably last you a lifetime:-) Design students ( and companies ) use it for their models and the school's workshops usually sell the material in small portions. Maybe you can even get some leftover bits for free from someone. The material doesn't come in thin sheets like styrene...you have to make them and that involves some machines....
I hope that helps a bit.
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Re: Eighties Contest Entry: 1988 McLaren MP4/4 (and Introduction)

Jaykay,

I've got an even closer shot of the undertray if you want it -PM me if you do. Very nice build BTW!

John S.

BTW Mike, I think the stuff is commonly known as Renshape in the US.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:44 PM   #119
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Very nice work Jay Kay... but then you knew that already.
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