Srt4 Vs Wrx

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by fatninja19

But the 04 already come stock with the "stage 1" kit on there. Bigger injectors and slightly more aggressive tuning(I think..). Plus a LSD. Is it a Qualfie unit??

Yeah it is.

[OoNismoO]

Originally Posted by Polygon

Just because it looks similar to a Neon does not mean that it is just a Neon with a turbo. I happen to think it looks pretty damn good just like the Evo looks a lot like a Lancer. That is like saying oh, it is still a Lance, or oh, its still an Impreza.

but the lancer evo, and the sti looks a lot more different to their base model counter parts, than the srt-4. like for the evo, its whole side is different, making it a wider car with wider tracks, and the front lights are wider. if you put an evo next to its base model counterpart, it looks a lot more different than an srt-4 next to a neon. i still think the srt-4 looks pretty good though.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

And the STi still pulled away, from a 60 mph roll even. No AWD launch, just a lot of drivetrain loss.

It pulled ONE CAR ON AN STi to 140mph, when an STi usually pulls an Evo 2-4 cars at those speeds. Also, we don't know if he ran an '03 SRT or an '04...'04's are the topic of discussion here, as it has been documented that '04s make more HP than the '03 SRTs.

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

When I see a stock SRT4 pull a 13.5 or quicker, then I'll concede that, in a drag race, it's at least in the same ballpark as an STi or EVO.

So what ballparks did the Evo guys that ran low 14's come from? Besides, the 2004s (the topic of discussion here) haven't been proven yet, as most of them are probably still in their breaking-in stages. I believe 13.7 has been achieved with a stock 2003 SRT...who knows how much the extra 20HP (up to) and the LSD will help the 2004s on a track.

Originally Posted by ldelaysionl

And "stage" upgrades aren't stock. They're Mopar parts, they don't come on the car from the factory. They're like TRD parts or Nismo or Ford Racing parts.

Like fatninja said, most of the S1 tune is already in the 2004s out of the factory.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by OoNismoO

but the lancer evo, and the sti looks a lot more different to their base model counter parts, than the srt-4. like for the evo, its whole side is different, making it a wider car with wider tracks, and the front lights are wider. if you put an evo next to its base model counterpart, it looks a lot more different than an srt-4 next to a neon. i still think the srt-4 looks pretty good though.

True, but put an Evo next to the OZ Rally Edition Lancer, they look quite similar.

[92teggsr]

I checked out evolutionm.net today and there are plenty guys on there that run low 13's in a stock evo. with $300 worth of mods they run mid 12's !! A lot of guys there are saying that learning to drive the EVO is key. So if some guy just bought an EVO and doesn't know the first thing about how to drive it then yes a SRT-4 is gonna beat him. But with equal drivers the EVO WILL beat the SRT-4.

[LjasonL]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

It pulled ONE CAR ON AN STi to 140mph

Tonight we went for it again, but this time, from about 60 (now my car has about 1600 miles). I was in 3rd gear at around 3k RPMs. We hit it and I pulled about a car in front up to 140mph when we shut down.

He's saying the STi pulled a length ahead, right?

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

So what ballparks did the Evo guys that ran low 14's come from?

Just cuz they can't drive the car right isn't the cars fault. I beat a Viper GTS with a bad driver who did nothing but sit there and spin the tires once, but I'm not gonna say it's a "drivers race" between me and a Viper.

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Besides, the 2004s (the topic of discussion here) haven't been proven yet, as most of them are probably still in their breaking-in stages. I believe 13.7 has been achieved with a stock 2003 SRT...who knows how much the extra 20HP (up to) and the LSD will help the 2004s on a track.

Like fatninja said, most of the S1 tune is already in the 2004s out of the factory.

Well, the '04's may or may not be a different story. But as it is, the only thing an EVO owner needs to worry about from a stock '03 is going from a hig speed roll.

[OoNismoO]

Originally Posted by Polygon

True, but put an Evo next to the OZ Rally Edition Lancer, they look quite similar.

the oz is still basically like the base model lancer. the evos lights, and fenders all around are still different.

[98MitsuTurbo]

Y does everyone always go off topic. Who cares what it looks like. The neon and ST4 are very simmilar, the Lancer and LANCER EVO look similar. Who the f*** cares . The point is an EVo would beat a SR4. Hands down. But the problem is the drivers. If the guy cant drive then it could go either way. The peopel on here argue more than my gf.
DAM

Tim

[Steiner]

Originally Posted by 98MitsuTurbo

...The peopel on here argue more than my gf.
DAM

Tim

I thought it actually sounded like more of an intelligent discussion irregardless of where people stood. People have been posting some good info to back up their opinions. You didn't though.

[fatninja19]

Originally Posted by 98MitsuTurbo

Y does everyone always go off topic. Who cares what it looks like. The neon and ST4 are very simmilar, the Lancer and LANCER EVO look similar. Who the f*** cares . The point is an EVo would beat a SR4. Hands down. But the problem is the drivers. If the guy cant drive then it could go either way. The peopel on here argue more than my gf.
DAM

Tim

Appearance became another topic due to phrases like "... but you're still driving a Neon."

[98MitsuTurbo]

A neon is a neon and a lancer is a lancer. There in different states of tune but they are the same vehicles, despite modificatins to there apperance and mechanicals

Tim

[Steiner]

Found a good, credible post in the SRT forums. The race is a stock '04 SRT-4 vs. an EVO 8. Somebody in the EVO apparently videotaped the race, but I doubt that tape will materialize.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...threadid=28002

Sounds like EVO from a dig and SRT-4 from a roll.

[Neutrino]

well there are several videos of srt4 just murdering evos...true they were a bit modified...but srt4 take so well to mods its ridiculous...1500 $ and you'll be almost mid 12's

still if i would have 8k more available i would get the evo

however between an srt4 and a wrx i would get the srt...i drove them back to back and the torque curve on the srt is so smooth its not even funny plus its very nimble and brakes amazingly

the wrx on the other hand was more composed on the freeway but if felt just a bit too heavy for my tastes

[quicksilverevo]

To stay on topic--
An Srt-4 will walk a Wrx (stock for stock). From a dead stop a Wrx will jump out to a .3-.5 sec lead to 60 feet.

Actually '03 Srt4's put out more hp to the wheels than they were rated at(according to Jackson racing and I believe SCC Mag.). So I'm not convinced that Dodge gave the '04 too much extra power.

As for the Evo--any true Evo owner/enthusiast will tell you that this car wasn't truely made to be a drag racing car. This car handles unbelievably--the steering is light, short and crisp, and the gearing is very short for a turbo car. When going to the dragstrip, my trap speeds are very close to SRT4's; but my ETs are .3-.5 secs quicker due to the launch. It's a great feeling to launch an Evo and hook up right away-the Srt4's were peeling out almost all of 1st gear.

By the way--my Evo looks almost exactly like an OZ Lancer---except for:the bulging fenders, Enkei 17's, Brembo calipers, hood, intercooler, front bumper, front grill, rear window wiper--otherwise-it looks the same.

[Steiner]

Originally Posted by quicksilverevo

To stay on topic--
An Srt-4 will walk a Wrx (stock for stock). From a dead stop a Wrx will jump out to a .3-.5 sec lead to 60 feet.

Actually '03 Srt4's put out more hp to the wheels than they were rated at(according to Jackson racing and I believe SCC Mag.). So I'm not convinced that Dodge gave the '04 too much extra power.

As for the Evo--any true Evo owner/enthusiast will tell you that this car wasn't truely made to be a drag racing car. This car handles unbelievably--the steering is light, short and crisp, and the gearing is very short for a turbo car. When going to the dragstrip, my trap speeds are very close to SRT4's; but my ETs are .3-.5 secs quicker due to the launch. It's a great feeling to launch an Evo and hook up right away-the Srt4's were peeling out almost all of 1st gear.

By the way--my Evo looks almost exactly like an OZ Lancer---except for:the bulging fenders, Enkei 17's, Brembo calipers, hood, intercooler, front bumper, front grill, rear window wiper--otherwise-it looks the same.

You own a nice car man. I love those EVO's. As far as the differences between '03 and '04 SRT-4's: The '03 puts down about 215-220 whp out of the factory. The '04, like mine, puts down about 225-235 whp out of the factory. The SRT-4 got a LSD for '04. The '04 already has the Mopar Stage 1 injectors from the factory, but an '03 w/Stage 1 (injectors and ECM) will beat an '04 in the 1/4 mile by about .2 or .3 seconds depending on the driver. That being said, an '04 with Mopar Stage 1 (just the ECM) will beat an '03 Stage 1 SRT-4 by about .1 or .2 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Stage 1 costs about $350 despite the year of the car. The beauty of Stage 1 isn't neccesarily the horsepower gains (about 15-25whp depending on the year of the car), but rather how the engine's torque curve is broadened.

How is the aftermarket support so far for the EVO?