ebay seller : bboykorea

[drunken monkey]

are you saying that the seller has no responsiblity whatsoever to the buyer, to ensure that what is has paid for doesn't reach the buyer in the same condition as it left the seller?

[ZoomZoomMX-5]

Only an idiot would defend shipping model car kits across the world in only a paper-wrapped kit box. Kit boxes are for holding contents for sale on a store shelf, kits are not meant to be shipped in their boxes. They're shipped from the mfg. in case quantity in real cardboard boxes.

Sorry, but it's not the fault of the shipper, it's the fault of the seller.

At the very least the seller should make it perfectly clear to customers how their kits will be shipped. Of course they do not. They should offer stronger shipping containers, even if it increases cost. Make that option to the buyer. Of course, they do not.

No, this seller just takes the money, wraps in paper, and lets the customer suffer. Feedback means little if you read between the lines.

I can't fathom how anyone could continue to apologize for sellers that practice this sort of shipping without letting their customers know ahead of time how their items will be shipped. Unbelievable.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomMX-5

Only an idiot would defend shipping model car kits across the world in only a paper-wrapped kit box.

And only a very low human being would call others idiots just because they have a different opinion.

Originally Posted by ZoomZoomMX-5

Sorry, but it's not the fault of the shipper, it's the fault of the seller.

At the very least the seller should make it perfectly clear to customers how their kits will be shipped. Of course they do not. They should offer stronger shipping containers, even if it increases cost. Make that option to the buyer.

PS: Next time you send a letter by post make sure you put it in a titanium case, otherwise who knows what might happen to it because the post is not responsible for it according to you.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

are you saying that the seller has no responsiblity whatsoever to the buyer, to ensure that what is has paid for doesn't reach the buyer in the same condition as it left the seller?

I'm not sure I understand your phrase, but I'll try to give an answer.

What I ordered from bboykorea always arrived with all parts intact.
Yes it was only wrapped in a green paper. But it also had "Fragile" written all over it with big lettering.
Also all the parts in the kits were wrapped in bubble wrap and the body shells were also filed with bubble wrap and wrapped into a piece of it in order not to brake.

IMO the post is responsible for not throwing around packages that have Fragile written on them, and not to put heavy boxes on top of them either.
Do you really think that a cardboard box is enough protection against such abuse?!

I don't know how much he earns on the kits he sells but I'm rather sure that it is very little given the prices he offers.

And what I stress since ever is that people who want a kit on the cheapo should not expect to be treated like they were at the Ritz.

I'll stop posting in this thread as it is evident that everyone made up hi/her mind and some already went the full length of it and started being very rude, for whatever reason they have.

[drunken monkey]

Sending anything like a plastic model kit overseas without sufficient protection amounts to not much more than negligence.
If kits are being recorded as being damaged when it arrives in the sellers' hands, then that implies that the protection is not sufficient.

And stop with the hyperbole.
No one is asking for metal cases; just a sufficiently strong box in which you can put the kit box into.
As you are so eager to point out, this seller in particular sells thousands of kits.
He is also based in Hong Kong a place where if one so desires, one can order boxes commercially fit for purpose, for mere cents per unit as other online retailers such as HLJ does.

As was pointed out before, the box a kit is packaged in is not designed for heavy duty handling as may occur during the postal service.
Bubble wrap inside the packaging box is not much good because the box itself isn't strong.
If you have never had broken parts from him, fine, well done but that doesn't change the fact that the seller is being negligent.

The low cost isn't the issue here.
If you paid 50 cents for a burger, does that excuse the seller if you get food poisoning?
Would it be ok because not every one who eats those 50 cent burgers get food poisoning?

[misterjimmy]

So far I've seen the issues going back and forth with bboykorea. The one person i've been making my purchase on ebay is another seller in Hong Kong call icanucan his turn around time was about 2wk shipped to me from HK to So Cal. not to bad packaging is good. Seller pretty much bubble wraps his stuff so can't complain and everything I get isn't dinged up so I give a recommendation to him if you guys want another seller to look at.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

No one is asking for metal cases; just a sufficiently strong box in which you can put the kit box into.

Define "sufficiently strong box in which you can put the kit box into".

It will for sure be function of how it is treated by the post. So the strongest the better, thus I proposed a titanium case even though it might not survive an airplane crash and for sure it will be bboykorea's fault that the kit wasn't better protected.

The world isn't perfect and people should learn to live with it, this is my point.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by misterjimmy

So far I've seen the issues going back and forth with bboykorea. The one person i've been making my purchase on ebay is another seller in Hong Kong call icanucan his turn around time was about 2wk shipped to me from HK to So Cal. not to bad packaging is good. Seller pretty much bubble wraps his stuff so can't complain and everything I get isn't dinged up so I give a recommendation to him if you guys want another seller to look at.

I agree, he does an excellent job!

[rallymaster]

Originally Posted by jano11

The guy still has 98% positive feedback, and given how many articles he's sold, that he ships worldwide and all the rest I find that OK.

that's precisely this running argument that makes you ridiculous !!!

98% positive feedback is illusion, 250 negs are a reality !!!

Anyone not completely stupid would know and understand that this rate is artificial to catch naive people to his sales...
only you refuse to admit the reality...

one have to be really naive or crazy to pretend than such a negs rate is buyer fact (and not a problem when you sale so much) and pretend this seller is a nice recommended guy and defending so hard that point of view surely makes you so ridiculous...!!

everyone buying to this seller knows he has a chance not to receive his kit...
I don't care there are 1500 positive or I don't know how many, I see he has 250 or so negatives for not sent or broken etc reason...

You love to risk your money buying to him ?! so what that's you're choice !!
but don't think we are stupid or naive and try page after page and post after post with such ridiculous argument to make us believe this seller is a kind of victim of unhappy or jalous buyers only because he still have 98%...
Some seller have 12000 sales and almost 100% positive if not 100% or even not 10 negs in their whole presence on Ebay !
that's why some of us think this is moreover riduculous, simply stupid !
because defending bad sellers only is encouraging them !

[misterjimmy]

Originally Posted by jano11

I agree, he does an excellent job!

crap better yet anyone is interested he has his own website and purchase w/ shipping is way cheaper then ebay by a few dollars. if I recall its kenncer.com sign up and get 10% off that includes shipping. if you buy 2 or more items he or she refunds you the shipping difference so thats a huge plus.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by jano11

Define "sufficiently strong box in which you can put the kit box into".

I already have.
have you ordered from HLJ before?
The boxes they use are more than up to the task of being thrown around by whatever postal service. And before you come up with some rediculous price for those boxes, have a look here for UK prices.

Originally Posted by jano11

So the strongest the better, thus I proposed a titanium case even though it might not survive an airplane crash and for sure it will be bboykorea's fault that the kit wasn't better protected.

Again, hyperbole does nothing for your argument.
As I put forward before that you conveniently ignored, does cheap food mean it's ok to get food poisoning from it?

Tell you what, how about I start selling kits for a quarter of their rrp, then randomly break half the kit?
Then if someone complains, I can say, "well, what did you expect? I'm selling you the kit for a 1/4 of rrp"


In case you weren't aware, I deliberately used terms that would be used in a court if this sort of case were to be taken that far.
Negligence, fit for purpose, responsibilty.

[jano11]

Originally Posted by rallymaster

98% positive feedback is illusion, 250 negs are a reality !!!

IMO 98% is reality and 250 negatives are relative.

250 negative, positive, neutral, white, black, pink, green, whatever you want means nothing, as long you don't put it into a context.

It's like saying that earning 10000 whatever a month is a lot without looking that you need 1 million to buy yourself a house for example.

Anyway, I lost enough precious time on this and I'm not willing to lose any second more.

You do whatever you think it's right for you and I'll do what I think it's right for me (without calling others ridiculous or idiots).

[jano11]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I already have.

No you didn't.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

have you ordered from HLJ before?
The boxes they use are more than up to the task of being thrown around by whatever postal service. And before you come up with some rediculous price for those boxes, have a look here for UK prices.

Yes I did, and their shipping prices are the highest I ever paid for model kits, so I did pay a couple euros for that nice box they use, it didn't come for free.
So I don't buy from them anymore, R10 has cheaper cardboard boxes.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Again, hyperbole does nothing for your argument.

It's still more than no argument at all, like you do.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

As I put forward before that you conveniently ignored, does cheap food mean it's ok to get food poisoning from it?

It wasn't my intention to ignore it, sorry.
I don't buy cheap food, I only buy Bio or Organic food.
Why is that? cause I'm not after buying cheap and than complaining on a board that is someone else's fault.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Tell you what, how about I start selling kits for a quarter of their rrp, then randomly break half the kit?
Then if someone complains, I can say, "well, what did you expect? I'm selling you the kit for a 1/4 of rrp"

Be my guest. If you manage to get 98% of them in good shape to me I'll buy them all.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

In case you weren't aware, I deliberately used terms that would be used in a court if this sort of case were to be taken that far.
Negligence, fit for purpose, responsibilty.

No matter the terms used, you doesn't have a case, to start with.

Have a nice evening.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by jano11

cause I'm not after buying cheap and than complaining on a board that is someone else's fault.

so are you saying it's not his fault that he doesn't package the kits better so they are better protected against the postal service?
i.e once the kit is paid for, he doesn't have to care?

The simple fact is, no matter what hyperbole you want to dish up, he doesn't package the kits in a manner suitable for the handling that occurs during posting.
He is responsible for their damage as it is his negligence in providing packaging fit for purpose.

Tell me why this would not be sufficient for a case?

[jano11]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

so are you saying it's not his fault that he doesn't package the kits better so they are better protected against the postal service?
i.e once the kit is paid for, he doesn't have to care?

Once the kit is accepted by the postal service it's their job to get it to the other end of the world in one piece.

You still didn't tell me what kind of packaging is strong enough.
Let's say it will be the lowest package in a pile of 10 packages each o those above it weighing only 2 kgs. Will it resist to 18 kgs? Maybe, under a static charge, but what if the lorry with the packages goes over a bump or something or what if the one on top of it is smaller and will brake the top of the cardboard box the kit is packed in?! How strong does that box need to be in order to be 100% sure it get's to you in good shape?

My point is that once someone brings a package to the post, it writes "Fragile" all over it and it pays for it to be delivered to the other side of the world, well it's not anymore up to him if someone will brake it.
Given that 98% of them arrived OK tells me that the 2% of broken or lost items are accidents that happen during the handling of the package.

This is my opinion, even after receiving squashed kits wrapped in paper sent from only 30 kms away, after getting paper wrapped kits in good shape from the other side of the world and also after getting squashed kits tat were packed in a cardboard box!

PS: What I find funny is how people went on and bought kits from him long after this thread existed, and than they come here and start moaning.