What’s wrong with Ford and the new Mustang?

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

Now for $45K+ I do expect a hell of a lot better than what the GT500 is. Hell it’s more expensive than the base C6 and the C6 is a far superior car. Ford just needs to wake up and realize it’s not the 70’s any more. A 2 ton brutish monstrosity such as the GT500 is laughable at that kind of price tag.

See, someone knows what they are talking about.

[01L2Cobra]

You know what's funny look at the advancements the Miata has had over the years then look at the Mustang.

I really think Ford needs to take a step back and learn a few things from the new MX-5.

Weight reduction in the bumpers, hood, trunk lid, and engine
Engine moved further rearward for better balance
Slanted radiator and redesigned fuel tank for a lower center of gravity

All of that and the price tag is still the same.

The MX-5 can be considered as being on one of the lowest rungs of the Ford ladder yet it has seen more advancements than most of the cars we know and love that wear the blue oval.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

You know what's funny look at the advancements the Miata has had over the years then look at the Mustang.

I really think Ford needs to take a step back and learn a few things from the new MX-5.

Weight reduction in the bumpers, hood, trunk lid, and engine
Engine moved further rearward for better balance
Slanted radiator and redesigned fuel tank for a lower center of gravity

The MX-5 can be considered as being on one of the lowest rungs of the Ford ladder yet it has seen more advancements than most of the cars we know and love that wear the blue oval.

It seems the LESS time Ford itself spends on a car the better it is.

Examples:
Mazdaspeed Protege was faster and handled better then the SVT Focus.

Mazda designed the new 2.3l Ford is basing the new cars on.

Ford spent years designing the Focus and it had one of the work recall/TSB rates in history, the Zx2 was a parts bin car and has 2 recalls.

The Mazda6/3/5 put the Taurus/Focus to shame in all aspects.

Best V6 in a ford was made by Yamaha or based on a Mazda, and best I4's are designed by mazda or Cosworth.

[01L2Cobra]

That’s true my first car was a tempo and for 200K miles the only problem was with a rubber O ring on the power steering.

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

That’s true my first car was a tempo and for 200K miles the only problem was with a rubber O ring on the power steering.

Ford pushed the 88(87?)Taurus as its next generation car. What happened? the tranny had a TON of problems with dieing before 60k (but they still used it till like 96 or 97) and the best motor it ever had was designed by Yamaha.

When ford tried to make there own version of the Yamaha they made a 3.4l v8 that unless you welded the cams it had SERIOUS problems. HA!

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

It seems the LESS time Ford itself spends on a car the better it is.

Some times...The GT was a rush job and look at all the problems it had in the first year. However I guess they can blame that on Saleen since they built it and they don't even really warranty their own cars. Well they do but about the only thing a warranty form them is good for is when your in the woods and it’s the only thing handy when you take a dump,

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by zx2srdotnet

what does the fact they are more then an escort have to do with anything? NOTHING

The fact you probably owened a 90's SOHC SPI doesnt have shit to so w/ a DOHC Zetec. If anything this convo proved you have no clue what an Escort can do.

a ZX2 and Escort has as much in comon as a SRT-4 does w/ a Neon. Name only.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

No I would never expect them to do that. But for that price I would expect a 6 speed not the shitty 3650 that has been nothing but a problem since 01. Also the D2C platform AKA S197 is utter crap compared to the DEW98 that it replaces.

Now for $45K+ I do expect a hell of a lot better than what the GT500 is. Hell it’s more expensive than the base C6 and the C6 is a far superior car. Ford just needs to wake up and realize it’s not the 70’s any more. A 2 ton brutish monstrosity such as the GT500 is laughable at that kind of price tag. In terms of weight and power it’s going to be inline with cars like the SRT-8s only the SRT-8s are around $5K+ less.

well 23k really isnt that much for a car. so i wouldnt necessarily expect a 6-speed. just curious... i have a T-5 so i wouldnt know, what is wrong with the 3650? but i think its still important to keep in mind price here, i think your asking to much for the car for its base price ( talking about the mustang gt and v6).

i agree the price tag on the gt500 is unfortunatly a little to high. the C6 is a better overall car, maybe not in a straight line but idk i havent seen them run, but overall theres no questions asked. but i thought that was around 50k? The gt500 is by no means laughable.

edit- question? do you hate your car or is it the only good mustang?

[SkylineUSA]

Originally Posted by 01L2Cobra

The GTO has the worst IRS I have ever seen.

Based on what?

Is that the same suspension on the Commodore? If so, have you seen the V8 series from the land down under? Pretty sure its not stock what they run, but if that is the case there is a big aftermarket for it.

Marcus Ambrose, anyone? That dude can flat out drive! Much better than watching NASCAR

[Joshta]

As inconsistent as Ford is before production, we may be a little to hard on the GT500 before we actually see what the finished product is like. I understand you can point out flows, but before we see it tested we really don't know sh*t. SVT didn't rush into this one and they've yet to let me down with the mustangs.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by Joshta

As inconsistent as Ford is before production, we may be a little to hard on the GT500 before we actually see what the finished product is like. I understand you can point out flows, but before we see it tested we really don't know sh*t. SVT didn't rush into this one and they've yet to let me down with the mustangs.

ive seen tests of it and it looked pretty damn impressive.

[Joshta]

Are there any videos on the net?

[zx2srdotnet]

Originally Posted by Joshta

As inconsistent as Ford is before production, we may be a little to hard on the GT500 before we actually see what the finished product is like. I understand you can point out flows, but before we see it tested we really don't know sh*t. SVT didn't rush into this one and they've yet to let me down with the mustangs.

As far as I'm aware SVT didnt design it, only produced/tested it, shelby did the designing from what Ive read.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

well 23k really isnt that much for a car. so i wouldnt necessarily expect a 6-speed. just curious... i have a T-5 so i wouldnt know, what is wrong with the 3650? but i think its still important to keep in mind price here, i think your asking to much for the car for its base price ( talking about the mustang gt and v6).

The 3650 has had more TSBs than any other transmission in the past few years. Many have had to be rebuilt with under 30K miles on them. There is an issue with the clutch cable stretching. Ford has changed the recommended fluid level at least 3 times. The list just keeps going. For $25K I do expect a 6 speed other manufacturers can do it why cant Ford? I mean hell the Eclipse offers a 6 speed for under $25K.

Originally Posted by TheStang00

maybe not in a straight line but idk i havent seen them run

Well the C6 has roughly 50hp less but it also weighs about 700lbs less. Honestly I think it would even have the advantage here.

Originally Posted by TheStang00

edit- question? do you hate your car or is it the only good mustang?

Nope I don’t hate my car and I don’t think it’s the only good Mustang. However for what I like to do it is still the best. The 03/04 may be a little faster around the track but they don’t handle near as well.

[01L2Cobra]

Originally Posted by SkylineUSA

Based on what?

The GTO uses a semi trailing arm (old out dated) set up. The camber and toe in/out changes as the suspension moves around. This is controlled to a degree by some toe control links.