support the Marine acused of murder

[Neutrino]

Actually i see were Heep is coming from. I'm at a big university with lots of international students including quite a few canadians. And most americans do make fun of them. Most canadians I've spoke with were quite upset about that.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

And for good reason, who'd care about a poor little country with no WMDs when you live in a giant country thousands of miles away? The only country that got a wild hair up it's ass about Iraq was the United States.

Of course they didn't Iraq wouldn't attack China with anything. China would lob every nuke they had at them and turn the country into glass. The US would enough of the population demanding negotiations through the UN if Iraq had attacked and killed everyone in New York.













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[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by Heep

Edit: Haha, that just reminded me of a lady I met in Alabama who said "Yeah, we're real nice people down here, and so are you Canadians, it's just all those damn Yankees in between!"

Yea, thats one of the situations that some people actually talk shit about that I've been around. All the people from up North I've met are nice as hell and just plain cool to talk to. My parents went up there 4 out of the last 5 years. They said everyone was great. They even went a month after September 11th and said it was so crazy yet, amazing.

My dad's from New Jersey originally as well. And one of my friends is from New Jersey too. Damn, I never thought about that. Crazy.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Of course they didn't Iraq wouldn't attack China with anything. China would lob every nuke they had at them and turn the country into glass. The US would enough of the population demanding negotiations through the UN if Iraq had attacked and killed everyone in New York.

But it wasn't Iraq who attacked, for that matter it wasn't any nation in particular that attacked America. It was a group of radicals/extremists/terrorists etc... And plus I think America poses a bigger threat to Iraq than China....so I'm sure they would have that much sense to more afraid of the States then China or any other country.

[crzyCollegeKid]

at least his method of self defense was a lot cleaner than what he would've done to the guy pre-geneva. he followed his training to the dot. how do i know?? simple, i've had 3 family members serve, and they teach you to react in that exact same manner. if he moves, and you haven't walked by him yet. kill him. why won't the marines or armed forces back him up?? cuz people are stupid and would believe anything they see on tv, and they just hear the word murder, but they forget the word war. this isn't about whether we should be there or not, we are, and theres nothing we can do about that.

oh, and for those who want to know what would have happend to the insurgent in the old days, he would've been disabled by a bayonet stab to the back of the neck. don't know about you, but a double shot to the head is much more preferable.

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by crzyCollegeKid

at least his method of self defense was a lot cleaner than what he would've done to the guy pre-geneva. he followed his training to the dot. how do i know?? simple, i've had 3 family members serve, and they teach you to react in that exact same manner. if he moves, and you haven't walked by him yet. kill him. why won't the marines or armed forces back him up?? cuz people are stupid and would believe anything they see on tv, and they just hear the word murder, but they forget the word war. this isn't about whether we should be there or not, we are, and theres nothing we can do about that.

oh, and for those who want to know what would have happend to the insurgent in the old days, he would've been disabled by a bayonet stab to the back of the neck. don't know about you, but a double shot to the head is much more preferable.

1. The mosque had been taken care of the previous day by a group of marines, they treated the victims and left them there.
2.If this was procedure then every single soldier, captain, seargent should be backing him up with his actions
3.How much do we know on what was going through his head at that point? Nothing, so why not go with the trial if he thinks he's innocent, if he thinks that he followed precedure?

[-Josh-]

Lets all take a moment and try to put ourselves in that marines shoes....

You've just fought a huge battle against a formidable oppenent. You're doing a sweep of the city(keep in mind your the average marine who might not be informed of the whereabout's of all the "innocents") You go into a temple unknowing what's waiting for you in every corner or room. You look down at what appears to be an injured person(not knowing whether they're civilian or military you are skeptical). Then you see some slight movement out of them(you've seen plenty of your comrades die from enemy suicide's or enemies faking death) so you make an instinct decision and put a few rounds in him before he can do you harm.

Who knows if that's accurate; I still stand by my first statement that our soldiers shouldn't even be in these situations, they should be at home with their families right now celebrating the holiday's.

[2strokebloke]

Lets all take a moment and try to put ourselves in that marines shoes....

Alright... I made a bad mistake, now I'm going to let people use pyscho-babble to defend my mistake.

Next time I screw up, I'm just going to blab on about recent experiences and bad memories.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by syr74

You wouldn't know the Geneva convention if it bit you on the ass. Here is a Centcom report from five day before the Marine shot the insurgent. It is one of many like incidents happening in the country. Of course, you will state that Centcom is not good enough for you, but what you fail to realize is...nobody over here cares about your standards.

Have a nice day

I don't normally bother to debate finer points with those who just come to this forum to mouth off, but for you I will make an exception.As a former servant of her Majesty in the Royal Navy, with active duty experience,I am fully familiar with the Geneva Convention.If you dont believe that the Marines should be following it in Iraq you are a spineless coward who supports state-sponsored terrorism.Please dont tell me to have a nice day,I'd rather you crawled back under your rock and died slowly.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by Flatrater

Another post like that and you will get a vacation from AF.

And like i give a shit? Iraq is my backround...u can expect my anger towards this whole war. I dont have to agree with that idiot cody cool or whatever.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

And like i give a shit? Iraq is my backround...u can expect my anger towards this whole war. I dont have to agree with that idiot cody cool or whatever.

Just be.........mellow.
Not everyone in this forum supports the 'shoot first,don't ask questions later' mentality of the unthinking 'patriots'.

If half of these people were as 'patriotic' as they claim to be, they'd never have voted for a party that has bastardized everything good that America used to stand for.'Peace,freedom and free speech' used to actully carry weight as concepts.Under this President,they are just words being used to justify a thoroughly vicious and immoral land grab.

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

And like i give a shit? Iraq is my backround...u can expect my anger towards this whole war. I dont have to agree with that idiot cody cool or whatever.

Then I suggest you try me.

I never said you need to shower hugs and kisses but attacking another user is grounds for a ban. You have the right to disagree with another poster but you don't have the right to tell anyone to fuck off.

We debate in this forum not everyone shares the same opnions and you need to respect the other posters. If you can't add to the debate stay quiet.

BTW some don't agree with you.

[mellowboy]

Ok fine i apologize. I just get a lil crazy when i see the video how that man got shot. I never did say anyone has to agree with me but i do expect the majority of this civilized world to realize what that marine did was wrong. I simply see no excuses on why he did it. I've seen videos on how the soldiers treat the Iraqi detainees. One guy was makin fun of arabic language and kicked the dude in the head! All the soldiers were laughing as if they were see'n Dave Chappelle stand up comedy show! That really pissed me off! The guy was tied up and he wasn't in no position to do anything! You go on and tell me whats the reason why they do these things to Iraqi ppl? Atleast Iraqi soldiers treated american soldiers very well when they where prisoners. It just shows how uncivilized our american troops are.

[Heep]

Originally Posted by crzyCollegeKid

at least his method of self defense was a lot cleaner than what he would've done to the guy pre-geneva.

That is very true. However, this is post-Geneva, and we must go by the new rules now.

Originally Posted by Z28Josh

Lets all take a moment and try to put ourselves in that marines shoes....

I fully agree that it must have been very stressful and difficult for that marine, especially since he had just been shot a day (a few?) before. However, I still see no reason why he should not be tried. If he indeed was in the right, then he's free to go.

I'm not in support of either his guilt or innocence, I just want to see a trial and investigation carried out.

If I get very annoyed and stressed with someone, and lash out, I still admit my actions were questionable and go back and apologize the next day...

[codycool]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

Ok fine i apologize. I just get a lil crazy when i see the video how that man got shot. I never did say anyone has to agree with me but i do expect the majority of this civilized world to realize what that marine did was wrong. I simply see no excuses on why he did it. I've seen videos on how the soldiers treat the Iraqi detainees. One guy was makin fun of arabic language and kicked the dude in the head! All the soldiers were laughing as if they were see'n Dave Chappelle stand up comedy show! That really pissed me off! The guy was tied up and he wasn't in no position to do anything! You go on and tell me whats the reason why they do these things to Iraqi ppl? Atleast Iraqi soldiers treated american soldiers very well when they where prisoners. It just shows how uncivilized our american troops are.

There you go, use the examples of 15 POS reservist soldiers to blast the entire U.S. military. I am in total aggreement with you on how these soldiers acted. They sleep in barracks and get 3 hot meals a day and all they have to do is babysit some Iraqi POW's. But for some reason they thinks its justified to abuse their power. But these marines are not those soldiers. You say Iraq is your background, well ask the people of Ad Diwaniah* how the marines treated them. They loved us, they hated it when the Spanish took over after we left. We would constantly get letters from them telling us how much they preferred our presence.

Like I said, if you havent been in combat then you have no idea what its like to decide in a split second to shoot or not. I dont know what i would have done in that situation?