If theres a heaven....

[Adam]

ok your crazy



but you are a little twisted

ppl made up evolution because they didn't want to accept anything to do with God. they turn their backs on him and dive into the world

[LakeMountLude]

im a big believer and god and heaven.. but a popular deist belife which is what i believe is that god made the universe, mad a unique set of physical laws and quantum laws and then pretty much hit the 'run' buttom and let things happen on their own!

[enzo@af]

Originally posted by Adam
ppl made up evolution because they didn't want to accept anything to do with God. they turn their backs on him and dive into the world

I actually laughed when I read that. Then, I went into the other room, got my mormon friend, and had him read it. He laughed to.

People do turn their back on Christ and God, and as a Christian I dislike it. I can't stand seeing my sister, or my 2 year old nephew not going to church and not being saved. It's horrible. But, you're turning your back on a tsunami of evidence supporting and proving evolution (as a force, not a means of creation). You're not paying attention to the peppered moth in england during the industrial revolution, or the fact that our little toes are slowly evolving...I mean, "magically going" away.

Evolution does not claim to say where all of life started....sure, evolutionary scientists claim that it came from small molecules in volcanic pools (see this month's scientific american....WONDERFUL article) and slowly grew to animals like us over millions of years, but evolution says nothing about the origin of life. People, please remember that because you just look silly using that as your only means of disproving evolution (not you though, Adam).

[Heep]

I most definately believe in evolution...micro evolution. Otherwise, everybody would be the same race, and there would only be one breed of dog, etc. I just have trouble understanding one species changing to another. I said it in the Evolution forum, but I'll say it here too.

The main reason I believe creation: I have trouble grasping the theory that we appeared by chance...just look at the complexity of the eye, brain, and even foot, and how they all work together so perfectly.

BTW: I'm moving to the evolution forum for my evolution related thoughts...this one's the heaven forum....

[LakeMountLude]

not true! people dont really evolve.. the better word is adapt.. natural adaptation and selection are the keys.. black people are black because of the way they lived for so long.. they adapted to the heat.. same goes for everyone.. there is evidence of evolution like tailbones etc but i feel that is because god made us all.. argue with him

[Lizard King]

You're not paying attention to the peppered moth in england during the industrial revolution, or the fact that our little toes are slowly evolving...I mean, "magically going" away

I've heard about the moth, but whats that about toes?

LakeMountLude: Remember, evolution takes a LONG time. The Earth has been here for millions and millions of years.
When you think that 1 million is a thousand thousand, and think about how long ago 1 thousand years was, it puts it into perspective a little more.

I know humans haven't been on Earth for millions of years but they've been here long enough.

[LakeMountLude]

Okay a simple example. Crocadiles and Roaches have been around since the dinosaurs, why do they still look the same? Why haven't they evolved? A simple answer would be the harder skin that both have developed, but in reality it is adaptation!!! The moths adapted not evolved.. Man I had a class that taught both these subjects but I have forgotten a lot.. once i find my notes ill post more..

[Lizard King]

Crocodiles and roaches are 'perfect', as in, they are perfectly suited to their environments. I can't remember the ins and outs but I've read about this stuff.

What would be the difference between adapting and evolving?

[Heep]

Adaptation = Micro-evolution = Adaptation

Macro-evolution (what most relate to the word evolution) is something different (changing species)

Anyway, I guess we'll just all have to die to find out who's right

Bonus for creationists:
If you and I both die, and evolution is correct, we die and never live again.
If you and I both die, and creation is correct, I feel good forever, and you feel stupid because of what you believed

[LakeMountLude]

haha yeah ill go with that... i mean cockaroaches etc made it through the ice age etc and they are still the same so those damn bastards were doing something right lol... but oh well like he said we are just going to have to die...

ANOTHER IDEA: I think also that god is testing us.. He knows that if he just came straight out and said he exists that it would be too easy to just accept us etc.. so he set up his master plan of "evolution" a way of testing peoples faith! that is my new renowned theorem hehe damn im smart lol.. j/k

[Adam]

adaption vs. evolution

NATURAL SELECTION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANY FORM OF EVOLUTION

micro-evolution is evolution that most ppl believe -- things evolve over millions of years

----remember all evidence points to a 6,000 or so year old earth

macro evolution is where ppl believe monkeys gave birth to cavemen -- and so on and so on. That is why they believe there are no 'missing links'

--the peppered moth was not evolution, it was natural selection, or survival of the fittest.

[LakeMountLude]

thank you that is what i have been trying to say! actually i think it is a lil older than 6000 years old.. i think the bible even says so.. hmm im a lil shady in that area..

[Lizard King]

----remember all evidence points to a 6,000 or so year old earth

I'd love to see this evidence.

[LakeMountLude]

well actually he is sorta right there is evidence that points to it.. ill see what i can find out...

[enzo@af]

Originally posted by Adam
NATURAL SELECTION IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM ANY FORM OF EVOLUTION

I see you've been educated from "the book of dipshits" by John C. Dumbass.
Natural selection, survival of the fittest, all that stuff are "evolutionary forces". They are the exact causes of evolution. If you're talking about the theory that all life derived from single celled organisms, that's something different (A different part of the evolutionary theory).