Please Post D16A1 Swap Info Here

[87civicfranky]

www.effinmotorworks.com/Zeno_Writeup.htm....
check it out.. its a wagon...but its the same platform.....

[cvcc_wagon]

pretty cool. i'll add it to my first post

[hirevtunerz]

i am going to be doing a d16a1 swap from the 86-87 integra into my 87 crx si. i have been reading this post and some others. I know pretty much everything i need, so no problem there. my question i guess is will I or will i not have to modify my stock crx si harness? i have read that no modifications to the harness are needed and i have read(in this topic) that some pins need moved around. can anyone clarify on wether or not i am going to have to modify my harness? thanks

[lxndr]

Originally Posted by hirevtunerz

can anyone clarify on wether or not i am going to have to modify my harness? thanks

Most of my wiring research has been for the '88-'89 D16A1 motor since that's what I'm using. But I have checked out the wiring for the '86-'87 motor and it appears the same as the wiring for an SI. If I recall correctly, I think it's just the connectors for the alternator and emissions box that are different.

I had an '87 Integra ECU in my '86 SI and it ran perfectly with no error codes. All I did was pull out the SI ECU and replace it with the Integra ECU, no wiring mods at all. The D16A1 will even run off your stock SI ECU, but it is recommended that you swap it for a PG7-662 ECU for better performance.

[sunn]

If a had a 87 crx it realy good shape and a d16a1 it it bluh bluh bluh,
how much do you think i could sell it for if I needed to.



also
Iv read this whole thing and i just have a few siple clarification questions:

can I put a d16a1 from integra into my 87 crx (ew2, carb) with all the fuel pump linkage, intake etc?

will a 88 civic dx intake do anything for me here?

do I need the integra axles?

will the axles fit on the wheel assembly?

why is there so much hair on my back?

do I need to run all new fuel lines?

what is a charcoal box?

is it nessisary to do the whole steering rack, or just the knuckles? and why? (this part reallly confuses me)

will fenders from a 87(3rd gen right?) hatch fit on a 87 crx?

my 91 civic engine wont fit in a 87?

is the carb crx always an "hf" (im in canada), i ask because of all the ASS (he,he, bum) talk and the shift light becoming the error light?(clarification)

what would the weight be of a 87 crx with a d16a1?

thanks

[cvcc_wagon]

Originally Posted by sunn

If a had a 87 crx it realy good shape and a d16a1 it it bluh bluh bluh,
how much do you think i could sell it for if I needed to.



also
Iv read this whole thing and i just have a few siple clarification questions:

can I put a d16a1 from integra into my 87 crx (ew2, carb) with all the fuel pump linkage, intake etc?

will a 88 civic dx intake do anything for me here?

do I need the integra axles?

will the axles fit on the wheel assembly?

why is there so much hair on my back?

do I need to run all new fuel lines?

what is a charcoal box?

is it nessisary to do the whole steering rack, or just the knuckles? and why? (this part reallly confuses me)

will fenders from a 87(3rd gen right?) hatch fit on a 87 crx?

my 91 civic engine wont fit in a 87?

is the carb crx always an "hf" (im in canada), i ask because of all the ASS (he,he, bum) talk and the shift light becoming the error light?(clarification)

what would the weight be of a 87 crx with a d16a1?

thanks

holy hell that's a lot of questions. first of all resail vale is really determined by where you live and the overall condition of the car. to the right buyer i would say that having the d16a1 would put you ~$500 more then the same car without assuming that the rest of the car was clean and rust free. that's just my best guess however.

can I put a d16a1 from integra into my 87 crx (ew2, carb) with all the fuel pump linkage, intake etc?
there is a link in the first post of this thread from a fellow who put the FI motor into a carb CRX. you will have to use all the wiring and fuel system from either a CRX Si or an Intera.

will a 88 civic dx intake do anything for me here?
no

do I need the integra axles?
yes, the CRX axles are unequal length, the integra uses a intermediate shaft in the center so that each CV shaft is the same length.

will the axles fit on the wheel assembly?
i believe the wheel assy. has to be replaced with the integra ones. i can't remember if it is to take advantage of the bigger brakes or if it is because of a different spindle size, others can provide more info in this.

is it nessisary to do the whole steering rack, or just the knuckles? and why? (this part really confuses me)
just the knuckles (see above)

why is there so much hair on my back?
bad genes

do I need to run all new fuel lines?
you should, however i have heard of people using the stock DX/HF lines. ideally you would use either integra or SI lines. you could even go so far as to use steel braided lines but that could get a little expensive.

what is a charcoal box?
part of the emissions system, if you can figure out how to hook it up properly use it, if not chuck it.

will fenders from a 87(3rd gen right?) hatch fit on a 87 crx?
civic fenders will not fit the CRX

my 91 civic engine wont fit in a 87?
Hasport makes a D-Series mounting kit but completing a D-Series swap in your 1G will probably set you back $3000 by the time you are finished so most opt. not to do it. there is more to it then simply mounting the motor in the engine bay.

is the carb crx always an "hf" (im in canada), i ask because of all the ASS (he,he, bum) talk and the shift light becoming the error light?(clarification)

there are 2 carb versions, the DX which is 1.5l and the HF which is the 1.3l. the HF is an econo. car which is why it has the shift light and whatnot. the shift light tells you when to shift to get the best gas mileage, not when toy get the best performance. if you rev it past the shift it may give you an error reading. having the HF is of some advantage as the integra motor uses the same speed sensor technology as the HF and with some modification you can use the HF dash unit with the integra motor. The HF is also lighter then the DX or the Si but i don't know the exact weight if the car or the car/motor combo.

[sunn]

if I had a complete integra and a complete crx 1.5 then I have everything i need right? 1 engine, 1 harness, 1gauge cluster from integra, etc. what problems will I run into?

[lxndr]

Originally Posted by sunn

if I had a complete integra and a complete crx 1.5 then I have everything i need right? 1 engine, 1 harness, 1gauge cluster from integra, etc. what problems will I run into?

Yes, you will have everything you need. But you won't need the gauge cluster (it won't fit in the Civic anyway).

The only reason you would need the gauge cluster is if you are swapping in an '88/'89 D16A1. This is because the '88/'89 ECU uses a VSS (vehicle speed sensor) that is located in the speedo. But if you just swap the Integra speedo into the Civic gauge cluster, the speedometer will not read accurately. If you are planning to use an '88/'89 D16A1, track down a CRX HF gauge cluster since it already has a VSS installed. You won't have to swap the speedo at all if you use an '86/'87 D16A1.

Also, you'll need to stiffen up the front torsion bars to accomodate the added weight. You can either swap the whole Integra crossmember/T-bars or locate a set of 24mm T-bars. If you've lowered the car, you might consider 27mm T-bars to keep it from bottoming out.

BTW resale value is determined by the condition of the car, market and location, not the sum of it's parts. Some potential buyers may feel that a D16A1 swap actually lowers the value of the car. This is because most people want a well maintained, unmolested car. Also keep in mind that you'll never get the money invested in the car back out of it. IE: say you bought your car for $1,000, you spend another $1,000 rebuilding the engine, $500 on suspension, $1,000 on bodywork/paint, $500 on interior, $200 for a BIGAZZ spoiler, $500 on a superpimpfullofscoopsandstuffthatruinsaerodynamics body kit, $1,500 on wagon wheels and rubberband tires, and $200 on neon lights, strobes and anything else to attract attention because you were neglected as a child and have low self esteem. In the end your car may only be worth $3,000 on a good day.

Not to say this is how you plan to build your car, or that you have an inferiority complex, this is just an exmple. I have rarely seen tastefully built 1G CRX's sell for more than $3,000, so don't be concerned with the value of the car and just have fun with it! Drive it until you wreck it, then reuse the parts to build another one!

[lxndr]

will a 88 civic dx intake do anything for me here?
It won't fit on the D16A1

will the axles fit on the wheel assembly?
The splines are different. You need to swap the Integra knuckles too.

why is there so much hair on my back?
Because you're a monkey.

what is a charcoal box?
If you're a hippie, hook it up. But you don't need it, and you'll still pass the sniff test without it. However, if you live in an area where you have an underhood emissions inspection you will probably need to have it installed. The Integra uses a different emission system configuration, so when you swap the motor just swap the emissions crap too. If you decide not to use the emissions box, the only part that you need out of it is the MAP sensor.

my 91 civic engine wont fit in a 87?
Not easily, You will have to fabricate your own motor/tranny mounts, and swap all the same parts that you would need for an '88/'89 D16A1 swap, plus you won't get as much HP as you would with a D16A1 swap. This is why most people don't bother to swap in newer D-series motors. However you would gain by swapping in a B-series motor.

[cvcc_wagon]

i think lxndr needs to start taking his pills again

[sunn]

whats the harness mods, if any, if I swap the engine, computer etc?

[cvcc_wagon]

you won't be modifying it, you'll be installing it

[sunn]

so Its "plug and play" esentially?

[lxndr]

Originally Posted by cvcc_wagon

i think lxndr needs to start taking his pills again

I got new ones! They're a pretty blue color!

[cvcc_wagon]

Originally Posted by sunn

so Its "plug and play" esentially?

assuming you have the integra harness