Cayenne

[ETW 355]

I saw one up close in a parking lot and it looked pretty nice. I used to like them, but not any more. I mean, last time I checked, Porsche was making sports cars and exotics. But what ever, there pretty cool I guess. Its like a Boxster for a mom

[Jimster]

Originally posted by Neutrino



going on a dirt or mud road is not serious offroading......

and if you try with a cayenne any type of serious stuff like rock crawling......you'll rip it apart......

me and polygon we live close to moab and i've been there quite a few times .... the thought of taking a cayenne or x5 or touared or anything in that category trough the serious rocks out there is ridiculous

The Touareg and Cayenne have an EXTREMELY solid frame just as good as any truck frame- I was actually amazed when they launched the thing just how amazingly sturdy and well-engineered it was- it wouldn't cope as well rock climbing as the Touareg- but it still can foot it with the best- now all I have to do is steal a Cayenne and go away for the weekend......................

[Chris V]

Originally posted by Neutrino



going on a dirt or mud road is not serious offroading......

and if you try with a cayenne any type of serious stuff like rock crawling......you'll rip it apart......

Where did I say "dirt or mud road"? I said Moab and Rubicon. The Cayeene and the new VW Touareg are built from the same basic design, and serious offroading was part of that engineering process.









I love how the haters tend to work from theory, no matter HOW much proof you throw at them. Go ahead, leave reality to those of us living in the real world.

[2strokebloke]

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[Neutrino]

cris V your funny if you call that rock crawling....


this is rock crawling:

i bet this would not be fun in a cayenne



oh and btw look how they took the pictures you posted.....especially the second one....its made to look like its handling a much worse angle than it is....

the pics i posted are taken by amateurs and don't use any tricks to make them look cooler

[DeViL]

Regardless what pictures you show of this Porsche SUV thing going offroad, barely anyone would take it offroad. Porsche's aren't known as a built tough off-road vehicle, they are known as fast little sports cars, and thats the mentality of your driver. Expense has somewhat to do with it as well. However I would expect to see more Hummers with mud slung through their tires then Cayennes even though H2's are expensive themselves.

I'm not really impressed with the interior of this thing. After seeing it up close, a lot of the inside was made of the "cheap plastics" that magazine reviewers always bitch about in the Corvette . It was ok and the colors were nice but I thought Porsches were supposed to be so much better then that.

[crayzayjay]

i bet this would not be fun in a cayenne

what are you trying to say? it doesnt look like much fun in that jeep either

Those pics are of somewhat extreme off-roading. It's no surprise that pretty much all SUV's built today wont be able to handle this kind of challenge, but all that's rather pointless. Besides, the jeep in your pic couldnt handle it. 99% of people who buy off-roaders because they need one dont want to climb up the sides of mountains, and the Cayenne does a damn good job of tackling more real off-road challenges, i.e. mud, steep gradients. Plus it seats five in full comfort. Life is about compromise, and a machine like the Cayenne that can do a safe 150mph+ on the motorway, lap with an M3, and tackle the mud is a hell of an achievement. Possibly the greatest motoring achievement of all. Debate all you like whether it should have been built by a company like Porsche or not, but belittling its abilities is ridiculous.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by crayzayjay


what are you trying to say? it doesnt look like much fun in that jeep either

Those pics are of somewhat extreme off-roading. It's no surprise that pretty much all SUV's built today wont be able to handle this kind of challenge, but all that's rather pointless. Besides, the jeep in your pic couldnt handle it. 99% of people who buy off-roaders because they need one dont want to climb up the sides of mountains, and the Cayenne does a damn good job of tackling more real off-road challenges, i.e. mud, steep gradients. Plus it seats five in full comfort. Life is about compromise, and a machine like the Cayenne that can do a safe 150mph+ on the motorway, lap with an M3, and tackle the mud is a hell of an achievement. Possibly the greatest motoring achievement of all. Debate all you like whether it should have been built by a company like Porsche or not, but belittling its abilities is ridiculous.

what i mean with that picture is that the damage done to the cgayenne would had been way worse.....look how a rubicon is build and then look at a chayenne.....


the point of my pictures was to show cris v what rock crawling is.....he claimed that a chayenne can do rock crawling.....

also a chayenne lap with an m3....more like being lapped

[Ssom]

Originally posted by Neutrino



what i mean with that picture is that the damage done to the cgayenne would had been way worse.....look how a rubicon is build and then look at a chayenne.....


the point of my pictures was to show cris v what rock crawling is.....he claimed that a chayenne can do rock crawling.....

also a chayenne lap with an m3....more like being lapped

You have to see one of these things on a race track- they are amazingly quick despite thier weight- could easily run with an M3- and then go offroading with a Hummer H2 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. Rock Crawling is more of a hobby-type offroading- not many real-world situations require rock climbing.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Moss1O6GTi



You have to see one of these things on a race track- they are amazingly quick despite thier weight- could easily run with an M3- and then go offroading with a Hummer H2 and Jeep Grand Cherokee. Rock Crawling is more of a hobby-type offroading- not many real-world situations require rock climbing.

well it was cris v that claimed that the chayenne is a rock crawler....i just proved that he was wrong.....oh and btw H2 is a bad example for offroading

about the channeye keeping up with an m3 sorry but i just cannot see an suv being able to do that....till i see it on a video i'll have a hard time believing

[crayzayjay]

Originally posted by Neutrino



what i mean with that picture is that the damage done to the cgayenne would had been way worse.....look how a rubicon is build and then look at a chayenne.....


the point of my pictures was to show cris v what rock crawling is.....he claimed that a chayenne can do rock crawling.....

also a chayenne lap with an m3....more like being lapped

Who cares which one sustains more damage – the fact is neither vehicle can handle those rocks. Its pointless to look at such an extreme course because if the person is clever he/she wouldn’t attempt it in the first place, rather than try and see who comes off less injured/damaged. It was wrong to bring rock-crawling into it, because even the most serious offroaders today aren’t made for that.
FYI, evo magazine lapped a Cayenne Turbo around a test track and posted the exact same time as an M3, driven by them, same track...

[afmsquid]

Originally posted by crayzayjay


Who cares which one sustains more damage – the fact is neither vehicle can handle those rocks. Its pointless to look at such an extreme course because if the person is clever he/she wouldn’t attempt it in the first place, rather than try and see who comes off less injured/damaged. It was wrong to bring rock-crawling into it, because even the most serious offroaders today aren’t made for that.
FYI, evo magazine lapped a Cayenne Turbo around a test track and posted the exact same time as an M3, driven by them, same track...

I think the point of the examples is to show that the Cayenne is NOT as capable off road as Porsches marketing want people to think. Claiming that the Cayenne is in the same league off road wise, as a Wrangler, Grand Cherokee, Land Rover, 4Runner, Land Cruiser, is ridiculous. The Cayenne uses independent suspension all around which limits its articulation during extreme off road maneuvers. Yes, the Cayenne has locking differentials, but lockers can be added to just about any SUV out there with straight axle suspension. I have lockers in my 89 4Runner, and the whole truck only cost me about $15000. That includes putting a Chevy Vortec engine, 7 inch lift, and 35 inch tires. Therefore, you cannot say that the Cayenne's off road capabilities are better than most SUV's, because they are NOT. As a road going station wagon, however, the Cayenne has excellent performance numbers, but if I wanted a fast station wagon, I would just buy a fast station wagon ie Subaru WRX with all wheel drive.

[Jimster]

wtf? Cayennes have gone offroad with the best of them before- the international motoring press have praised it offroad- NO current SUV can handle rock's such as that of Neutrino's post- so your point is null. The Cayenne is not the best offroader- but is is one hell of a capable one

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

well it was cris v that claimed that the chayenne is a rock crawler....i just proved that he was wrong.....oh and btw H2 is a bad example for offroading

about the channeye keeping up with an m3 sorry but i just cannot see an suv being able to do that....till i see it on a video i'll have a hard time believing

Actually, the point (for those too retarded to get it) is that the Cayenne can go places MOST SUVs and "soft roaders" can't. You didn't prove that I was wrong, only that SOME people with highly modded jeeps go to even MORE extreme places. (and fail at that). Falling off a mountain doesn't make you a mountaineer. But you dont' have to make it to the top of Everest to be a good hiker. You dont' have to compete in F1 to be a racer. (BTW, those are analogoies. Not my fault if you're too stupid to get them...)

The Cayenne shows what Porsche does best: engineering a vehicle to meet demanding engineering challenges: it has more than adequate off road ability (You're crap about the pictures notwithstanding), more than adequte towing capability (not many SUVs can tow as much), and still have a comfortable ride in a quality interior environment, AND handle as well as the average sports coupe on the track...



It's a perfect compliment to the Porsche race car already in the driveway, for those lucky enough to have that, and a great alternative to those that have to have something a bit more practical than a sports car...

As a road going station wagon, however, the Cayenne has excellent performance numbers, but if I wanted a fast station wagon, I would just buy a fast station wagon ie Subaru WRX with all wheel drive.

But will that Subaru effin' TOW anything? YOUR life requirements do not equal everyone ELSE'S, so putting a car down that exceeds YOUR personal needs is ridiculous.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Chris V

Actually, the point (for those too retarded to get it) is that the Cayenne can go places MOST SUVs and "soft roaders" can't. You didn't prove that I was wrong, only that SOME people with highly modded jeeps go to even MORE extreme places. (and fail at that). Falling off a mountain doesn't make you a mountaineer. But you dont' have to make it to the top of Everest to be a good hiker. You dont' have to compete in F1 to be a racer. (BTW, those are analogoies. Not my fault if you're too stupid to get them...)

The Cayenne shows what Porsche does best: engineering a vehicle to meet demanding engineering challenges: it has more than adequate off road ability (You're crap about the pictures notwithstanding), more than adequte towing capability (not many SUVs can tow as much), and still have a comfortable ride in a quality interior environment, AND handle as well as the average sports coupe on the track...


It's a perfect compliment to the Porsche race car already in the driveway, for those lucky enough to have that, and a great alternative to those that have to have something a bit more practical than a sports car...

But will that Subaru effin' TOW anything? YOUR life requirements do not equal everyone ELSE'S, so putting a car down that exceeds YOUR personal needs is ridiculous.

i'm glad that you showed your maturity and started calling me names.....shows how big of a man your are.....and btw you said that the chayenne can do rock crawling we have to still see those pictures....those were your words now back them up