YOUR definition of RICE

[pontiactrac]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


If you're a true car enthusiast, you'd have heard of the the different Touring Car competitions across Europe and, for a VERY brief while, here in America. In Europe, these races are just about as big as NASCAR here is. These cars are somewhat at fault for how "ricers" came up with their ideas. They all have body cladding, HUGE wings, 19-inch rims, AND are all mostly FWD. The difference with those cars of course, is that the body kits actually reduced drag and produced downforce, which the wing also did. The rims allowed for VERY low-profile tires that had barely any sidewall flex to allow for very awesome handling cars.

Another good example is the Mugen bodykit/wing for the Acura RSX. Mugen is one of the very rare companies that actually do wind-tunnel testing on their kits. Mugen kits cost about $4,000...compared to about $1,500 for a Wings West kit. The reason being that the wind-tunnel tested Mugen kit/wing actually reduces the RSXs drag coefficient, therefore increasing top-speed and gas mileage, while you'd just have to pray and hope, and be satisfied with the looks of the WW kit.

I appreciate the information. But i was not denying that a spoiler helps a front wheel drive car. All I was saying was to the person who said it was stupid on a firebird, that it makes more sense to have one on a rear wheel drive car. I was just making the distinction that there was more of a need on reardrv... not no need on a frontdrv. In the next post, the guy explained it only looked stupid cause it was a combat spoiler, which i could completely agree with.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by pontiactrac


I appreciate the information. But i was not denying that a spoiler helps a front wheel drive car. All I was saying was to the person who said it was stupid on a firebird, that it makes more sense to have one on a rear wheel drive car. I was just making the distinction that there was more of a need on reardrv... not no need on a frontdrv. In the next post, the guy explained it only looked stupid cause it was a combat spoiler, which i could completely agree with.

Gotcha.

The same situation applies for RWD cars, though. At higher speeds, it's not just necessarily the drive wheels you want to push down. If you are pushing down the back of your car, at speed, it's quite possible for you to lose some contact to your TURNING wheels...whether RWD, AWD or FWD. THIS is NOT something you want.

[B16EJ1]

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
hmmm...i would agree that if it were a list like that, then it'd be rice, but if someone goes ALL show, an not much go, then i don't really think they are rice. cars can have a ton of money into the exterior an jack shit in the motor, an i'd still think it was a nice ride. but, once again, i do agree that if u list things like "pedals/lighting" as a mod, an nothing else, then it would be rice.

I kind of agree w/ you. IMO I think that a show car should have both. You can to all the bodywork you can, buy the most expensive rims,
polish out the engine bay and still you don't have a show car. IMO a show car should at least have bolt on's when it comes to the engine. In fact I just went to Import Motion in Portland and they had cars with just an intake, bodykit, rims and an engine dress up. WTF??? No that is not a show car and I can't believe I had to pay to see that sh**.

[pontiactrac]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Gotcha.

The same situation applies for RWD cars, though. At higher speeds, it's not just necessarily the drive wheels you want to push down. If you are pushing down the back of your car, at speed, it's quite possible for you to lose some contact to your TURNING wheels...whether RWD, AWD or FWD. THIS is NOT something you want.

I understand that, but that is a different issue, im not talking about what's good and bad about spoilers all together. I'm talking about the benefits a certain drive car has over another with the addition of a spoiler- rear still has more of a need reguardless if turning ability is sacrificed. (That is something like you said happens to all dif. drives of cars, and is a universal problem with spoilers) but that's why you mentioned the body kits to fix this.

[inferno]

I'll keep this short and simple. Spoiler is used to keep the rear end of a car stable at higher speeds. Just because the drivewheels are in the front doesn't mean that there is no need for the rear of the car to be stable. I am getting the impression that you think that a spoiler will push the back wheels on the ground.

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Gotcha.

The same situation applies for RWD cars, though. At higher speeds, it's not just necessarily the drive wheels you want to push down. If you are pushing down the back of your car, at speed, it's quite possible for you to lose some contact to your TURNING wheels...whether RWD, AWD or FWD. THIS is NOT something you want.

thats why you get a front bumper spoiler too

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

Supra wings on anything other than a Toyota supra

Combat wings on Domestics

Wings on top of spoilers ie combat wing on top of the rear spoiler of a Trans AM (i have seen this)

Chromies

LED washer lights
LED tyre nozzle lights
Exhaust Tips
Stickers on a not so equiped car
NOS thats not connected (ie a NOS cylinder that is for show)

High School Emblem on Hood of Domestic

[kidrocket]

my chrome isnt rice

[BLU CIVIC]

a "ricey" car is just a car done up a way you wouldn't do it....people have a way of just calling a car rice b/c they don't like it.....retards...if you don't like it just say so....it's getting way to common now using the term rice...

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by inferno
I'll keep this short and simple. Spoiler is used to keep the rear end of a car stable at higher speeds. Just because the drivewheels are in the front doesn't mean that there is no need for the rear of the car to be stable. I am getting the impression that you think that a spoiler will push the back wheels on the ground.

You talking to me?

Just in case you are, the idea of a rear-wing, which is basically a reversed aerofoil (plane-wing) IS to push-down on wherever it's over, just as a plane-wing pushes UP on the whole plane to lift it up. THIS is how it's supposed to achieve stability...by making sure the contact patches remain firmly planted at high speeds. The stabilizer effect produced by the wing supports (besides the drag, too) and the side-wings are incidental, but can be used.

The way ricers are using (or I should say ABUSING) their wings nowadays, it's quite possible that they are literally pushing down on the rear of their chassis too much, causing lift on the front end, which will be further augmented by the air going under. If you've seen the vids of the CLK-GTR flying up in the air, you'll see how dangerous that is (getting too much air under the car).

[pontiactrac]

Originally posted by inferno
I'll keep this short and simple. Spoiler is used to keep the rear end of a car stable at higher speeds. Just because the drivewheels are in the front doesn't mean that there is no need for the rear of the car to be stable. I am getting the impression that you think that a spoiler will push the back wheels on the ground.

I agree with this completely. You guys... i didn't say that there is no need for a spoiler on a front drive. It does stable it at high speeds, that's the whole point of them. I just said it has more of an effect on rear drive since it does create down force improving the traction (since it's on the rear). Also, when the front end elevates cause of excessive rear down force, the front wheel drive car is going to coast while the rear wheel drive car will continue accellerating... THAT'S NOT TO SAY- that there is no need for a spoiler on a front wheel drive car though. I guess this is mostly an issue on drags.

[inferno]

That last comment wasn't for you carrrnuttt. The thing about pushing down for the rear tires is that of course it is going to help keep them planted, but it isn't entirely neccessary unless the car is rwd and extremely powerful. It helps prevent tire crowning(if you've ever seen a top fueler heat up its tires, you know what I mean). It is more for the suspension and chassis to keep them from bouncing up and down which would cause the rear tires to remove themselves from the ground.

[pontiactrac]

True, the traction is only improved if the car is really a powerful rwd. I know what you mean about the torqueing it before a run.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by inferno
That last comment wasn't for you carrrnuttt. The thing about pushing down for the rear tires is that of course it is going to help keep them planted, but it isn't entirely neccessary unless the car is rwd and extremely powerful. It helps prevent tire crowning(if you've ever seen a top fueler heat up its tires, you know what I mean). It is more for the suspension and chassis to keep them from bouncing up and down which would cause the rear tires to remove themselves from the ground.

Oh cool. That was just in case.

[CCCC]

definition? thats easy.

cars with bad-ass kits and damn loud exaust, but strugle to even do 17 or 18 second quater miles.

in other words, looks the buisness but no balls at all...