GTR Racing Livery - Index

[Sami Aaltonen]

Thank you again very detail answer on #12R's history! GREAT!

Yep, Ueno Clinic is on the door when it won Suzuka's race. I didn't knew about the terms on this side "Gulf/UenoClinic" or the others, so again new things to me.

Ok so it was GULF which had no interest to to China, Marlboro was back then strong brand at motorsport like you mentioned, so maybe there is some connection, F1 and others. Maybe. Well atleast the Marlboro livery was one of the greatest at the end on shorttails.

And good details about JJ's history on #12R, I execpected that Zhuhai, it wasn't long race, only 4 hours. Well maybe there was some reasons which we don't know why he was getting third driver on the car.

As we know; J.J did magnificent work at FIA GT 1997 beating Mercedes drivers even that they had "racing car to the road" and McLaren was "road car to the track." Especialitely SPA was one of the highlight of the season.

And allmoust forgot.
Thanks the #19R Presentation images also!

[DocGTR]

I thought someone could like these ones too!

[hurstg01]

[Sami Aaltonen]

Originally Posted by DocGTR

I thought someone could like these ones too!

Thanks! I don't have really much images of #12R/#15R's Malboro livery!!

[Sami Aaltonen]

Hhmm now I have do this different way, sorry of that.

This is the case, what I have wanted to get very clear, completely clear for long time now. Suprise, it's case J.J Lehto's 1997 GTR's.

What informations I have allready:
Chassis #21R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - number #8 FIA GT:
Hockenheim 1st (Lehto/Soper), Silverstone 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Helsinki 1st (Lehto/Soper), Nurburgring 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Laguna Seca DNF (Lehto/Kox).

Chassis #24R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - Number #42 Le Mans 1997:
DNF (Lehto/Soper/Piquet).

Chassis #26R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - Number #8 FIA GT:
Spa 1st (Lehto/Soper), A1-Ring 3rd (Lehto/Soper),
Suzuka 4th (Lehto/Soper), Donington 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Mugello 1st (Lehto/Soper), Sebring 22nd (Lehto/Soper).

1. Are these completely right?

2. Why they used at FIA GT races two different chassis? Why also #26R were used? Something happended to #21R so they changed chassis? Or was is just question to take a new chasis/engine/gearbox to challenge the Mercedes?!

3. Why Laguna Seca's race KOX replaced the Soper?
In Laguna Seca; Soper was behind #23R's wheel with Ravaglia.
Why this order?

4. Is there is anything other important details connected drivers, chassis or detail changing of liveries; I'll would be greatfull to know those things.

5. I know that UT 1/18 Longtail #21R has one error on that model. The number #8 is not painted to the real car to the right front fender......

-Sami-

[DocGTR]

Originally Posted by Sami Aaltonen

Hhmm now I have do this different way, sorry of that.

This is the case, what I have wanted to get very clear, completely clear for long time now. Suprise, it's case J.J Lehto's 1997 GTR's.

What informations I have allready:
Chassis #21R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - number #8 FIA GT:
Hockenheim 1st (Lehto/Soper), Silverstone 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Helsinki 1st (Lehto/Soper), Nurburgring 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Laguna Seca DNF (Lehto/Kox).

Chassis #24R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - Number #42 Le Mans 1997:
DNF (Lehto/Soper/Piquet).

Chassis #26R:
BMW MOTORSPORT - Number #8 FIA GT:
Spa 1st (Lehto/Soper), A1-Ring 3rd (Lehto/Soper),
Suzuka 4th (Lehto/Soper), Donington 3rd (Lehto/Soper), Mugello 1st (Lehto/Soper), Sebring 22nd (Lehto/Soper).

1. Are these completely right?

2. Why they used at FIA GT races two different chassis? Why also #26R were used? Something happended to #21R so they changed chassis? Or was is just question to take a new chasis/engine/gearbox to challenge the Mercedes?!

3. Why Laguna Seca's race KOX replaced the Soper?
In Laguna Seca; Soper was behind #23R's wheel with Ravaglia.
Why this order?

4. Is there is anything other important details connected drivers, chassis or detail changing of liveries; I'll would be greatfull to know those things.

5. I know that UT 1/18 Longtail #21R has one error on that model. The number #8 is not painted to the real car to the right front fender......

-Sami-

1: Should be as many different sources state the same
2: Most likely the latter
3: To give Lehto/Soper a change for the championship if other car fails to finish
4: I warmly recommend reading/acquiring the Driving Ambition book to answer all the questions 1-4 and to give more detailed view on these matters. There's no point copying all the text here.

5: UT does not state any particular race with the model of the 1997 season, so it is just a thematic model. The "Fina 8" car changed a bit race by race so as long as there's no particular race mentioned, it is hard to point any particular errors, if the details still existed in one or more races. Even the Le Mans models are quite same on this, just e.g. during 1996 Le Mans 03R changed so many times that one could do easily ten different models of it, and all could be correct. So the UT model can be either 21R or 26R, depends on the viewpoint. Also that 8 on the front right fender was there on some races and then on some not.

From the UT/Minichamps I think the Minichamps 1/43 Monza'95 Davidoff #8 is the most accurate; from the photos I have, the only error I have found on it is the lack of the engine cover groove leading to the middle air vent. All the Minichamps 1/43 GTR'95s have the same error, as they have the engine cover similar to the road car. Also the air vent itself is copied from the road car and therefore too small compared to the real one.

It is always some sort of balance seeking with the models: accuracy vs. costs, and many times much of the costs come from searching the photograps of the originals as the older the car, the harder it is to find enough photos from different angles to make the complete model. And sometimes it is even better to have a model with some errors than no model at all. Depends on how you value the things.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Thank you very specific answer!
I wish I had that book, but I don't have it and I have heard it's very expensive today.

Good to know, I wasn't fully wrong of anything what I asked.

And what comes taht UT model; I assumbed the case it might be exactly that. As we all know; speciality 97 season GTR's were much more aerodynamicical than last years shortails, so it's clear that the cars changed race by race depening racetrack. At Helsinki was big rearwing and maxium aerodynamics on the front end. Monza or Spa were different case.

I don't know really, but McLrens could have totally different front bumber including all the aeronymanics on the front, changing that the car had new aerodynamics depending on the track.
I don't know was it like this way but could be?

But still, even there is number #8 a wrong place, it could be #21R or #26R, I tell my friends defenitely "this was the car, which won Helsinki 1997".

[Sami Aaltonen]

So next is up the case of #06R, one of the most legendary GTR's.

Things I know so far:
- Livery is taken from Ayrton Senna's helmet. Honour to Ayrton Senna.
- Still same livery even it's road converted

Racing numbers :
1995 Le Mans Harrods : #51
1996 Le Mans Harrods : #29

1995 BPR GT Harrods : #9
1995 BPR GT Harrods? / San Miguel: #9
1996 BPR GT Harrods : #3
1997 FIA GT MVR : #19

1. Are these racing numbers correct?

2. All races BPR GT 1995 season was driven number #9?
- All races BPR GT 1996 season was driven number #3?

3. All Races 1997 FIA GT was driven number #19?
(Hockenheim, Silverstone, Helsinki DNF)

4. No races season 1998 or future?

5. I believe; I have right driver and race informations, taken from McLaren Guide site. No errors there?

If there is anything else, what is missing here, every information will be nice!

[DocGTR]

Originally Posted by Sami Aaltonen

So next is up the case of #06R, one of the most legendary GTR's.

Things I know so far:
- Livery is taken from Ayrton Senna's helmet. Honour to Ayrton Senna.
- Still same livery even it's road converted

Racing numbers :
1995 Le Mans Harrods : #51
1996 Le Mans Harrods : #29

1995 BPR GT Harrods : #9
1995 BPR GT Harrods? / San Miguel: #9
1996 BPR GT Harrods : #3
1997 FIA GT MVR : #19

1. Are these racing numbers correct?

2. All races BPR GT 1995 season was driven number #9?
- All races BPR GT 1996 season was driven number #3?

3. All Races 1997 FIA GT was driven number #19?
(Hockenheim, Silverstone, Helsinki DNF)

4. No races season 1998 or future?

5. I believe; I have right driver and race informations, taken from McLaren Guide site. No errors there?

If there is anything else, what is missing here, every information will be nice!

Livery is still basically the same as the original, current decals are a mix of LM'95 and LM'96, body is similar to the LM'96, but the rear wing is what they used in BPR'96, not the tall and shallow of LM'96.

1.-3. Racing numbers correct, unless someone shows photos that prove otherwise! (photoshopped ones not counted!)

4. After Helsinki '97 race, MVR replaced the aging 06R with a Lotus Elise GTR, so no records of real racing for it afterwards.

5. For a bit more reliable list of drivers please check the complete results of 1995 and 1996 from here.

[Sami Aaltonen]

Thanks again Doc!
That BPR link was new to me, have take it some closer look when I have more time. But anyway; good to know I had quite correct details allready.

[Sami Aaltonen]

It's been a while now, time to get new GTR history on the table!
The case : #07R

I have collected these informations allready:

Giroix/Jacadi Team - Le Mans 1995 5th. (Giroix / Grouillard / Deletraz)
Racing number #50.

Jacadi BPR GT Championship 1995, Racing number #7
- Jarama 5th (Giroix/Grouillard),
- Nurburgring 2nd (Giroix/Grouillard)
- Donington DNF (Giroix/Grouillard)
- Suzuka DNF (Giroix/Deletraz/Yoshikawa)
- Zhuhai 3rd (Giroix/Deletraz)

Questions:

1. Giroix/Jacadi Teams name? Was it this or longer one?

2. Racing numbers, drivers, races correct?

3. No races 1996 BPR GT Championship? Why?

4. "Upgraded 2000/'01 by McLaren to full LM specification".
Where this car was almoust 6 years before this modification?
Today located still at UK?!

Thank you again for all information!

[DocGTR]

Originally Posted by Sami Aaltonen

Questions:

1. Giroix/Jacadi Teams name? Was it this or longer one?

2. Racing numbers, drivers, races correct?

3. No races 1996 BPR GT Championship? Why?

1: GRT = Giroix Racing Team
2: You have them already right there (LM'95 #50, BPR'95 #7, drivers, etc.)
3: 11R replaced it from the season '96 start at Paul Ricard

[Sami Aaltonen]

OK, all clear. Thank You.

So I quess, the #07R was "somewhere safe" during that time until 2001 and is now seen at public roads.

[Peloton25]

This seems like the most appropriate place to stick a couple of photos from the 1995 1000kms of Suzuka. Click and scroll down...

http://minkara.carview.co.jp/userid/...104/photo.aspx

Click the link to the left below the last image twice and you'll find pics from the 1997 race as well.

>8^)
ER

[DocGTR]

Good spotting - especially 03R, 08R and 19R! All from unseen angles!