Souped RSX vs NSX

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


If handbuilt is a money saver, then why are Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Rolls-Royces, Bentleys...to name a few...so damned expensive? It is what adds to their exclusivity. Mass-production was invented to make products CHEAPER. This is one of the reasons why SALEENS are so expensive, if you think about it. Also, the latest Japan-only NSX-R runs the quarter in around mid-to-low 12's. That's with a naturally-aspirated V6...running nearly the same times as a BLOWN V8. Ruminate on that before you start getting back on your soap-box about how awesome the new Cobra is. Of course there is always the price difference...but we are discussing performance here.

I would like to see the '03 Cobra up against the NSX-R at the track...straight-aways or not.

Regardless of the price of the car, since as you said where not talking price. How could it cost more to handbuild then to equip a factory with a full array of specific tooled robots and equipment? If its cheaper for them to hand build rather then eqip a factory, then is it not saving money? Technology and namebrand as well as function and market, dictate price, not so much buliding cost other then to establish a basment for price building. Also, how about we talk about cars for sale in the USA, instead of some car from some country is better then some car somewhere. Who gives a care, you cant buy and drive it here. If you dont like my opinions, dont expect me to like yours.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Regardless of the price of the car, since as you said where not talking price. How could it cost more to handbuild then to equip a factory with a full array of specific tooled robots and equipment? If its cheaper for them to hand build rather then eqip a factory, then is it not saving money? Technology and namebrand as well as function and market, dictate price, not so much buliding cost other then to establish a basment for price building. Also, how about we talk about cars for sale in the USA, instead of some car from some country is better then some car somewhere. Who gives a care, you cant buy and drive it here. If you dont like my opinions, dont expect me to like yours.

Well, you talk like the Cobra is the end-all and be-all of cars. If you want to talk about cars sold in the US, let's talk about the new Lancer EVO VIII (VII in Japan) to be sold in the US...a blown 4-banger that will run low 13's and 500-dollar-or-less boost-controller away from running 12's...at a CHEAPER price, and 2 MORE doors than your Mustang...

...with probably a hell-of-a-lot better gas mileage.

I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad. The General boys can do it...whay can't you? Shit, even the claimed Redneck can show respect...think about that.

[Fly Rice Racer]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad.

1, 2, 3. He's out!

It's official, :flamer: 94svt5.0 :rocket: is down for the count!

*roars of applause fill the forum*

[honda troll]

Again, they make 3000+ S2k's a year. IT'S NOT TO SAVE MONEY!!! Get a clue. So you are trying to tell me that they hand build parts of the Z06 to save money? It is for exclusivity, and for the pride and workmanship that goes into a hand built car. Having a hand built car means much better quality control as well. It's easier to check the quality of a car as you hand build it through it's many stages. Rather than trying to check every 10th car on a factory line with machines.

[honda troll]

Originally posted by jay@af
I do not think the S2000 is fully handmade. I'd believe the engines are, but not the entire car. (Unless you can point me to something stating otherwise... ) The production numbers are just too high.

Ask and you shall receive.

[Jay!]

Originally posted by honda troll
Ask and you shall receive.

Me likey! They must be busy little buggers!

[Jay!]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences.

Maybe it's just where I live, but 75% of the V6 mustangs already have different/custom hoods, bumpers, spoilers, emblems, etc. (which are not always complimentary to the overall car. ) They all still look like Mustangs. I never said I woundn't be able to tell the difference, just that it wouldn't be enough of a difference.

[CustomWhips]

i hate this freaken thread i wish you guys would pick another one .

[inferno]

Everytime this thread starts getting back positive, someone has to flare up and start another arguement......I don't want to close this thread, but if it keeps down this path, I will.

[CustomWhips]

once again i was joking
i guess its just because i dont own a rsx. wish i did. i really wish i did i love those cars with aftermarket shit on em. they look so freaken bad ass. but bordom kicked in about 3 pages back..

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


Well, you talk like the Cobra is the end-all and be-all of cars. If you want to talk about cars sold in the US, let's talk about the new Lancer EVO VIII (VII in Japan) to be sold in the US...a blown 4-banger that will run low 13's and 500-dollar-or-less boost-controller away from running 12's...at a CHEAPER price, and 2 MORE doors than your Mustang...

...with probably a hell-of-a-lot better gas mileage.

I don't mind opinions that support your particular car of choice...it's just that you don't need to be putting down other makes while you're at it...it only makes YOU look bad. The General boys can do it...whay can't you? Shit, even the claimed Redneck can show respect...think about that.

You know carnutt sometimes I forget that only you are allowed to flaunt a particular choice of car, while putting others down. My bad I will try to remember that. About the EVOIII, sounds like its going to be a sweet car, but remeber alot of people dont give a darn about mpg when they buy a car. I know thats hard to understand for a civic driver. I wonder what motivates people to buy exotic cars getting 8 mpg? I bet they think about mpg. Also, are you flaunting 4 doors as a selling point? What are they catering these cars to senoir citizens? Trust me, the only one looking bad is YOU. I show my respect, you ignore it. I have never seen the lack of respect that is generly shown to domestic cars by import drivers. Somwhere along the way they got off thinking there economy cars where king. Going down the street I have stock civics trying to race me, because they read somewhere that mustangs are slow and heavy, and that powerfull economy car will walk it. Its really kind of sad, I see it on the street, in the pages of sport compact magazines and particularly on this board. And people like you carnutt are partly to blame, at least for the atmosphere of this forum. So, you want repsect? learn to give it first. Remember the domestics where here first, they where hopping up American cars back when they where still pedaling bikes in japan.

[94svt5.0]

Originally posted by jay@af
Maybe it's just where I live, but 75% of the V6 mustangs already have different/custom hoods, bumpers, spoilers, emblems, etc. (which are not always complimentary to the overall car. ) They all still look like Mustangs. I never said I woundn't be able to tell the difference, just that it wouldn't be enough of a difference.

Hmmm sounds like 90% of the civics around here. Under all that plastic and chrome pipes, theres still just a civic.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0

You know carnutt sometimes I forget that only you are allowed to flaunt a particular choice of car, while putting others down. My bad I will try to remember that. About the EVOIII, sounds like its going to be a sweet car, but remeber alot of people dont give a darn about mpg when they buy a car. I know thats hard to understand for a civic driver. I wonder what motivates people to buy exotic cars getting 8 mpg? I bet they think about mpg. Also, are you flaunting 4 doors as a selling point? What are they catering these cars to senoir citizens?

I was pointing out that the car NOT ONLY kicks ass, but is utilitarian as well. What? Did that hurt your feelings? JEEE-SUS.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Trust me, the only one looking bad is YOU. I show my respect, you ignore it. I have never seen the lack of respect that is generly shown to domestic cars by import drivers. Somwhere along the way they got off thinking there economy cars where king. Going down the street I have stock civics trying to race me, because they read somewhere that mustangs are slow and heavy, and that powerfull economy car will walk it.

Two things about this paragraph:

1) Thank you for helping me make my point about putting down other cars. How do you know they weren't provoking you because they loved your car and wanted to see what it could do? I've done it before.

2) What the hell do these morons have to do with me or anybody else in these forums? If you're so damned offended by these punks, then ignore them instead of proving that your car is faster? What? You don't want them thinking that they beat you huh? If it's such common sense that economy cars are slow...as your sarcasm makes a point of...why waste your gas? Oh wait...you don't street-race...you don't bite, right? Then why care? I could attribute the Camaro driver's action last Tuesday(I guess he got offended because I passed him on the freeway on CRUISE CONTROL at 85 and he was going 75...and he HAD to prove that he had the faster car by blasting to about 100MPH and cutting a van off) to domestic drivers being assholes with a need to prove they have enough testosterone...because they don't. You know what? I don't go to the Camaro board saying this shit. I mind my own damned business and even in my own forum, don't say anything about it...it's cool. That was just a random asshole that happened to drive a Camaro. I'm sure he would've done the same thing if he were driving a Honda or Mitsubishi.

Besides who cares?

I guess you do...

Originally posted by 94svt5.0

Its really kind of sad, I see it on the street, in the pages of sport compact magazines and particularly on this board. And people like you carnutt are partly to blame, at least for the atmosphere of this forum. So, you want repsect? learn to give it first. Remember the domestics where here first, they where hopping up American cars back when they where still pedaling bikes in japan.

If you wanna get technical about it, the car was invented by a certain Mr. Daimler, who happens to be from Germany. Uhm, if you take apart your CURRENT car, how many of your electronics do you think will have Japanese names? Also some of your car is assembled in Mexico...Don't talk about american cars, because your's isn't completely one. Just like the people in here with Accords have a car that's built in America themselves.

You must pretty desperate to resort to such rhetorics...

[CustomWhips]

:monkeypis :bathroom:

[TerminalVelocity]

I'd say the biggest reason us domestics come here isnt because its honda, its because it has a racing fourm thats active.

Other than that....SVT, Carnut with alot of extra letters, lets both chill alright? Theres assholes in v-6 mustangs talking of how they can walk those slow [H] S2k's and theres civic punks saying they can walk on those boats known as cobras

You both cool people who know a hell of alot about cars, this isnt even about the race anymore, this is about two people trying to be right, but if both say the other is wrong, then noone is right.

SVT, you know I got your back, and Carrrnnnuuttt we talked and we cool now *I think? :toothless*, but I gotta tell you both i've seen good points outa both of you, SVT your outmatched here because theres alot of those civic punks here *not pointing any fingers* and alof of savy [H] owners.

I personally dont like the S2k...yes...its great that it was hand built....
same with NSX

Our Cobra R was I believe 90% hand built, just the same as the others. Engines hand built, pannels put on by hand, even the lug nuts tightened by hand.

These are all sweet machines, can we at least agree on that?

I'm exculding the lancer here because you can go on forever bringing up car after car to beat other cars, i'm just tryin to stop the hatin and maby create some peace before somethin bad happens, like carnutt having a heart attack or SVT gettin baned.

My 302 cents... :bandit: