Smothering stupidty

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

just to clarify:
to you, sexuality is ALL and ONLY about the sexual act, correct?

Yes.

For instance you hear all gay men are thin, single, and neat. While that could be true for most, I don't see that as a sign of being gay. It's in the sexual act.

[drunken monkey]

so if a man is 100% psychologically attracted to other men and wants to have sex with other men, is unable to have sex now with his wife that he married out of social protocol in the 70s but has never actually had sex with another man, would you consider him gay or straight?

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

so if a man is 100% psychologically attracted to other men and wants to have sex with other men, is unable to have sex now with his wife that he married out of social protocol in the 70s but has never actually had sex with another man, would you consider him gay or straight?

If a man wants to have sex with another man but never hasn't, is he gay? No.

I've never smoked weed before in my life but would like to smoke bricks of the stuff and get the munchies real bad. Does that make me a pothead? No of course not.

There are things like murder that people would like to do. Does that make them a murderer? No, as long as they don't do it.

Now of course we've opened a whole can of worms on people's thoughts and if it's alright to think as long as you never do, ect ect. That's for another debate.

[drunken monkey]

I see what you're getting at here but i'm not sure if sexuality is the same sort of thing as murder or pot smoking.

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Isn't it funny how wikipedia is wrong for something that backs up my point but for others it's a great tool for information? I'll help you out though

Still waiting for you to 'help me out'

Wikis are only useful for facts.You are spouting opinion.Learn to tell the difference.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

I see what you're getting at here but i'm not sure if sexuality is the same sort of thing as murder or pot smoking.

Sounds like an opportunity for a new thread in Philosophy.

So Muscletang, you're saying that a homosexual sex act makes one homosexual. I would say that a voluntary homosexual act, repeated, makes one homosexual.

I think the voluntary part is quite important. The repeated part is also important. If you smoked one cigarrette when you were 13 to try it out, are you then a smoker forever? Nope. Same thing here, though many find homosexual acts to be much more repellant than smoking.

[drunken monkey]

intention and desire also plays a vital role.

going back to the "people think about killing someone" point; while it is true that people humour the thought of killing someone, not everyone who does so, does it with the intention or desire (is there a difference?) to carry it out.

[fredjacksonsan]

Yes, intent DOES play a large part, for obvious reasons.

I'm sure that in moments of anger, many or most people have thought of killing someone but not acted upon it. We're getting a little into Philosophy here, but perhaps the difference is in the thought that goes into it. Some people act impulsively, while others know enough to walk away.

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

So Muscletang, you're saying that a homosexual sex act makes one homosexual. I would say that a voluntary homosexual act, repeated, makes one homosexual.

Wouldn't an unvoluntary sex act though be rape?

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

The repeated part is also important. If you smoked one cigarrette when you were 13 to try it out, are you then a smoker forever? Nope.

Not for ever but at one point you were a smoker. Was it brief and short? Yes. Being a smoker though is smoking right? If you were smoking at a point then you were a smoker correct?

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Wouldn't an unvoluntary sex act though be rape?

Yes, involuntary sex could be classified as rape. (and we may be agreeing here, I don't recall all the posts)

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Not for ever but at one point you were a smoker. Was it brief and short? Yes. Being a smoker though is smoking right? If you were smoking at a point then you were a smoker correct?

IMO it can be a fine line. I'd say at 13, "you smoked". How many smokes does it take to become a smoker? Do you have to be addicted? I think the same choice that led you to experiment is the same choice you make further and further down the line. I mean in this example you can't say that smoking is pleasurable, every person I've ever known that smoked said they coughed and choked and felt ill the first time, and those symptoms are generally seen to be unpleasurable.

I did a web search for "define smoker". The definitions varied from as simple as a simple single episode (Illinois law) to "a person 15 years old or older who smokes daily". There was also "habitual use of tobacco products". So there's a wide interpretation, depending on the view of the writer.

I can't see classifying smoking a single cigarette as making a smoker, for more than the time it took to try it. "I was a smoker for 5 minutes"

So in the same vein, does a single homosexual act for experimentation make a person a homosexual forever? Or does it, perhaps, fall under the experimentation, as did that one cigarrette? If someone has a homosexual experience, one time, and never again even thinks of doing it again, are they a homosexual, or someone who tried something they didn't like?