What Mclarens do you have pictures of?

[cabrio92]

Bravo leman !

Do you know if it's possible to share this program please ?

Phil

[Le Man]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

Bravo leman !

Do you know if it's possible to share this program please ?

Phil

Most certainly Phil, I shall send you an email later, Thanks.
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Many thanks Greg, You should have a pic of 005 + 006 in build, if not I shall post it for you!!
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So no one wants to speculate on the chassis#!!!

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by Le Man

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Many thanks Greg, You should have a pic of 005 + 006 in build, if not I shall post it for you!!
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I'll have a looksee when i get in from work, i'll let you know

Originally Posted by Le Man

So no one wants to speculate on the chassis#!!!

I'll go with #033; The dates fit in (1995) and we have yet to see a decent verified interior shot of #033 -would be nice to see the whole red interior - very PIMP

[hurstg01]

Le Man I don't have pics of #005 and #006 in build - would you post them up?...

[Le Man]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

Le Man I don't have pics of #005 and #006 in build - would you post them up?...

Here you go Greg,



Red car 004 (rear wing, just in pic) 005 Black, 006 Silver. Then again I could be colour blind!! This pic was first published in Performance car mag.

The red interior car is not #033 Greg, Try again. Erik must know, I am sure its closer to him, than to us.

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by Le Man

Red car 004 (rear wing, just in pic) 005 Black, 006 Silver. Then again I could be colour blind!! This pic was first published in Performance car mag.

Nope, didnt have that one - cheers

Originally Posted by Le Man

The red interior car is not #033 Greg, Try again. Erik must know, I am sure its closer to him, than to us.

I thought about this after my previous post - it looks like in your pics of #033 that the interior isnt red at all,so i may ahve to do some more searching...

I take it you have an inkling but need confirmation?

[hurstg01]

ok, lets do some refining -
Its a 1995 car, making the chassis numbers to be #031 through to #046.
Of these, chassis #033, #037, #038, #040, #042, #044 and #045 could be in the frame due to the cars exterior colouring -
#033 you have discounted (as have i now)
#037 it isn't due to the dashboard colouring
#038 - this is before Dan Kennedy got his grubby mits on it and its not red inside -

#040 it's not as it has high mirrors and wasn't red inside (dodgy picture, sorry.........) -

#042 isn't red inside -

#044 isn't red either (well, the gear knob isn't) -

#045 seems to dark a colour on the outside to be considered -

and again doesn't have a red interior -

unless its the famed car, chassis #039, Creighton Brown and he's showing off his own car?.....
Am I getting hotter / colder to your guess?

[Le Man]

If the red interior car which is shown crashed in DA, Is the same one pictured in the vid clips I posted, It makes it an early 95 car at least before the weekend of 31st of may 95, If thats any help.

What was with the story about an owner in Germany, crashing and writing off his car with very few kms on the clock, whilst racing a friend in a 911. Then going back to the factory and ordering a new F1. His old car must have been repaired!!...... Then sold on. (In perfect condition, I must add!!)

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

#038 - this is before Dan Kennedy got his grubby mits on it and its not red inside -

Sorry Greg - That's most certainly not #038. With 99% certainty, that is chassis #070. Maybe you meant to post something else, but I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.

I have no idea on the red interiored car other than to suggest once again that the silver cars we haven't found are #006, #010, and #033. All the other road cars built up to chassis #039 (save #029) are accounted for in my book.

>8^)
ER

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

All the other road cars built up to chassis #039 (save #029) are accounted for in my book.
>8^)
ER

Do you have pics of #039? This car is one of my holy grails......

[cabrio92]

Hello,

interesting and difficult this puzzle.
so, three questions come in my mind :
1) which is the first F1 refitted and when ?
2) which is the first F1 to recieve HDF on a refit ?
3) Do F1s go out on HDF brand new ?

Thanks to answer please

Phil

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

Sorry Greg - That's most certainly not #038. With 99% certainty, that is chassis #070. Maybe you meant to post something else, but I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.>8^)
ER

Nah, my mistake - that is what I wanted posted, but i didn't look into it enough to see the other cars in the shot and should've realised it wasnt #038 - I was on my own with Thomas last night and he was crying as i was teaching him about the F1 and downloading the picture at the same time (teach them at an early age ! say!! ...

[Le Man]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

Do you have pics of #039? This car is one of my holy grails......

Erik, Do you have pics of #038 in its original base silver as well??

[Peloton25]

Sorry Greg - no shots of chassis #039 or chassis #029 for that matter.

Originally Posted by Le Man

Erik, Do you have pics of #038 in its original base silver as well??

As stated earlier, I don't believe I have seen any photos that can conclusively be identified as chassis #038 before Dan purchased it and had it refitted.

>8^)
ER

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

Hello,

interesting and difficult this puzzle.
so, three questions come in my mind :
1) which is the first F1 refitted and when ?
2) which is the first F1 to recieve HDF on a refit ?
3) Do F1s go out on HDF brand new ?

Thanks to answer please

Phil

I'll do my best...

1) This one is easy - XP4 would have received the earliest refit so far as I can tell. I don't know exactly when it went from being a subdued grey/green to the bright electric blue, but it must have happened early on in the process - sometime between July 1993 when it was seen at the Coys Historic Festival and whenever AutoCar Magazine got their hands on it for the May 11th 1994 article.

For production cars I wouldn't really have an answer I could base on anything conclusive.


2) Chassis #011 could have been the first - the Christies auction info for #011 claimed the 'High Downforce Package' was added to that car in 1998. Chassis #023 is another possibility as it was apparently resprayed silver in 1997, but 'was sent back later for the Downforce Package to be added' before it's second owner sold it in 1999.

Unfortunately I'm not certain when chassis #020 or the silver F1 assumed to be #059 received their HDF Kits in relation, but either of those could have possibly occurred sooner than both F1s listed previously. If we could get some dates from your friend Phillipe for when some of his #059 shots were taken that might help figure it in or out of the equation.

The other HDF cars I know of (minus one, which I'll get to in a second) - #069, #073, and #018 - should have occurred later based on what I know of their histories.


3) The only HDF kitted F1 I know of that may not have been done on a refit is chassis #072. All the other HDF kitted F1s I am aware of started life as standard road cars. Unlike the other late chassis numbers, I don't have any evidence of #072 showing it without the kit. I can't guarantee it was built that way, but it does still have the original paint color which is what leads me to believe it could be original with the HDF Kit. I could of course be wrong about that though.

Interesting questions.

>8^)
ER