which is your fav srt

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by GritMaster

That is a Quote by you (TypeS) on December 28 at 12:16 Th only previous mention to modified cars was also by you roughly two hours earlyer saying modifying an srt-4 could make it be faster than an m3 around a track (or something along those lines)

So ultimately it looks like you brought it up first.

I am truly sorry.

What does that have to do with the STi vs SRT-4? The point wasn't that a modded car can beat the SRT-4, but that anyone can make a fast FWD car that goes fast in a straight line, but it will not be better than the AWD STi.

I said "Can an SRT-4 beat an M3 around the track or in the straight line? Sure, if you put money in it." meaning a stock STi can do it but an SRT-4 can't unless you spend money.

So, stock for stock, the STi wins, once again.

Why don't we compare it to the Celica and Civic Si? It seems a lot more appropriate.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by GritMaster

And by the way. Streetracer, The STi Was designed and engineered for the WRC. The SRT-4 Was Designed and engineered as a quick economy car that still cost pretty damn affordable.
I wouldn't expect it to outperform a Rally bred-designed and tuned car. Would you?

You hit the nail right on the head. The STi is engineered to perform, the SRT-4 is a Neon with a turbo thrown in the mix to make it a quick little economy car, not to compete with the STi or Evo.

So, they're in a totally different class, case closed.

Thank you for proving my point Grit Master.

[GritMaster]

Why did I bring that up? Because you kept asking who brought up modified cars first.

Originally Posted by TypeS

Why don't we compare it to the Celica and Civic Si? It seems a lot more appropriate.

Because Class. As we should all know by Now.... Sti = Thorough Thrashing of Celica and Civic. Srt-4 = pretty close to Sti performance wise. Not quite up to par, but still pretty close. Hence we should be able to derive that Srt-4 = Pretty close to thorough thrashing of celica and civic. I.e. It's no comparison.

[Layla's Keeper]

Type S, you're the ignorant one here. Ignorant to the fact that Chrysler has been beating up on imports in compact car performance since a chicken farmer from Texas was turning wrenches on Omnis.


1986 Dodge Shelby Omni GLH-S
175bhp
177lbft of torque
0-60 in 6.5seconds
1/4mile in 14.8

AND .91g's on the freakin skidpad!

then while Honda was playing sporty with the Civic, Dodge was taking the Neon racing. And we're not talking about modifying street cars to compete from the factory, we're talking about building race-ready Neon race cars for SCCA Showroom Stock.

The infamous Neon ACR

Price: $16,235 (2-door DOHC)
Engine: 2-litre, DOHC 16-valve 4 cylinder
Drivetrain: Front-wheel drive, five-speed manual transmission
Brakes: Four-wheel disc, no ABS, 257 mm front, 270 mm rear
Wheels: 5-bolt, 14x6, alloy
Tires: 185/65-14 Goodyear RSA
Suspension: Koni adjustable shocks, front and rear sway bars

[GritMaster]

Originally Posted by TypeS

So, they're in a totally different class, case closed.

They are in entirely different classes yes. They are also entirely different platforms.

The thing is, The SRT-4 is still a decent competitior to hte Sti. And when the car is so out classed by the Sti (Sti is in a higher class) But it still performs close to it? and for 10,000 less? then you come to the point of this whole debate. Let me break it down.

1. Srt-4 costs 20k is an turbo charged front drive economy car.
2. Sti costs 30k is a turbocharged AWD rally car.
3. Sti Outperforms Srt-4 (as expected) but only marginally (Not expected)
4. Srt-4 Is surprising
5. Srt-4 costs. 2/3 of what Sti costs.
6. Sti is the better car
7. Srt-4 Is the better price.
8. Srt-4 vs. Sti, different class, but still comparable.
9. Srt-4 is NOT a Neon.
10. This thread is about Srt Cars Only. let's get it back on topic.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by GritMaster

Why did I bring that up? Because you kept asking who brought up modified cars first.







Because Class. As we should all know by Now.... Sti = Thorough Thrashing of Celica and Civic. Srt-4 = pretty close to Sti performance wise. Not quite up to par, but still pretty close. Hence we should be able to derive that Srt-4 = Pretty close to thorough thrashing of celica and civic. I.e. It's no comparison.

Is that why a stock Celica and Nissan Sentra Spec V beat the SRT-4 around the track?

I'd love to see an STi or Evo lose to a Celica!

Show me shoe me show me

While the Evo is being tested against Lamborghinis, the econobox turbo Neon is losing to a Celica and Sentra

[GritMaster]

Why? better handling.
Tell me Why the Srt-4 Keeps up with an Sti in that comparison Layla posted?

and only the FQ400 Evo is being tested with lamborghinis. that's pushing 400 HP. It's the only Evo that is.
Most range ffrom 265-350 or something.
And performance wise who cares. Basically all they did was tune an evo. I'm sure you could tune an SRT-4 to compete with a lamborghini. Hell I'm sure dodge could, and sell it like that.... call it the SRT-4LK but, that's not their purpose of doing this is it? they have the viper for that.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by GritMaster

Why? better handling.
Tell me Why the Srt-4 Keeps up with an Sti in that comparison Layla posted?

HAHAAHAA, better handling, LMFAO!



It finished LAST out of 7, when it came to handling. It finished last in the econobox competition in handling. Shouldn't that tell you something?

[GritMaster]

Ever take a reading comprehension class?

you asked why the sentra and celica beat it. I answered Better handling.

The CELICA AND SENTRA HAVE BETTER HANDLING.

[Layla's Keeper]

It's already been shown to you. Raw stats. Raw stats posted two whole pages ago!

Dear lord, you haven't posted anything to back-up your statement. No facts, no quoted articles with links for verification, nothing. Al you keep doing is going back to the same hearsay statement about the Dodge not handling.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

It's already been shown to you. Raw stats. Raw stats posted two whole pages ago!

Dear lord, you haven't posted anything to back-up your statement. No facts, no quoted articles with links for verification, nothing. Al you keep doing is going back to the same hearsay statement about the Dodge not handling.

What better thing is there than a direct comparison on the same track?


"In a comparison test in Road and Track's Spring 2004 issue of Speed"

The Spec V came in 2nd, being narrowly beat by the Celica.

Here are the Spec V results:

1) Second fastest car to lap the racetrack, losing to the Celica by only .24 seconds and beating the power-monster SRT-4 by .07 seconds

2) 1st in the Skidpad (lateral-g); 3rd in Slalom.

3) 2nd in 0-60 and tied with the Focus for 2nd in the quarter-mile (first for both tests went to the SRT-4).

4) 1st in 60-0 and 80-0 breaking

5) Tied the SRT-4 in points for best powertrain.

6) Second most fun to drive vehicle behind the Celica (based on points).

7) Reviewed as the most well rounded vehicle, placing at or close to the top of EVERY category!

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7th Place - 2004 Lancer Ralliart: Has a strong engine, a slick shifter, and predictable handling but its suspension really dislikes being pushed at the track. Reviewed as a good street car.

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6th Place - 2004 Honda Civic Si HFP: Has Neutral handling, good transmission, and excellent balance and grip but has no power and suffers from brake fade.

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5th Place - 2003 MazdaSpeed Protégé: Has a smooth engine, excellent braking, and exceptional handling abilities but suffers from mid-turn over-steer and touchy brake actuation.

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4th Place - 2004 SRT-4: Has incredible power, good exhaust note, and ery supportive seats but was rated as the worst handler out of the ENTIRE group.

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3rd Place - 2003 SVT Focus: Has the most well-balanced, idiot-proof handling of all the cars tested, as well as a lot of grip, but lacks low-end torque and seems disconnected from the road.

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2nd Place - 2004 S-Tune Spec V: Has torque everywhere, more than enough grip, excellent LSD, and is a consistent handler but has a redline that is set too low, bland styling, and a notchy shifter.

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1st Place - 2003 Celica GT-S: Has ultra-responsive chassis, tight gearbox, racy looks, quick steering, and was the most fun to drive but lacks low-end grunt, has a very small powerband, and less than supportive seats."

[Polygon]

TypeS can have the last laugh if he wants, but this is just beyond ridiculous.

Originally Posted by TypeS

I brought up the modded debate?

You're the one who said "for $2000 you can make it as fast as an STi"




Anyway, it's in Nissan Sentra's, Focus's and Celica's class, not the Evo's or Sti's.

End of story!

Originally Posted by TypeS

Right, let the Enzo beater get in on this

He brought up his "$2,000" more argument so that he can keep up with an STi, but you can show me where I brought up the aftermarket argument first.

But either way, now that we know what class to put the SRT-4 in (Celcia, Civic SI, Sentra Spec V) ...

It is true, you're not just ignorant, you can't read, and you're brain is completely devoid of firing neurons.

Why don't you go back to the second page where you posted that you could make a Civic faster than the SRT-4 for less. I responded to that with my $2,000 comment.

So yes, you brought up the modded debate first.

Also, it isn’t fair to compare the SRT-4 to the Senrta, Focus, or Celica since they can’t keep up with it.

Originally Posted by street_racer_00

Yes, I know that the Evolution is just a lancer and an STi is just an Impreza...duh...but I think you would have to agree with me that the impreza is a much better car than the neon...I'm sick of this "SRT-4 vs. STi" debate, because the cars simply aren't in the same class...sure SRT-4s are cleaning up in showroom stock SCCA categories, but that isn't quite the same level as the FIA WRC that the STi is a proven winner in (just ask petter solberg).

You can't be serious?!?!?

You are comparing the SRT-4 used in the SCCA and Pro Rally which has only safety modifications to a WRC STi which costs millions to build. The only thing that the STi that Solberg drives has in common with the street STi is looks. They aren't even close to the same car. That is just the worst response so far in this thread. Go take a stock STi and take it out and do what Petter Solberg does and see what happens. You wouldn't make it very far.

Originally Posted by TypeS

You hit the nail right on the head. The STi is engineered to perform, the SRT-4 is a Neon with a turbo thrown in the mix to make it a quick little economy car, not to compete with the STi or Evo.

So, they're in a totally different class, case closed.

Thank you for proving my point Grit Master.

Read what I typed above if you can comprehend that. However, based on responses thus far I don't think any of it will sink in. The fact of the matter is that you're just plain stupid and I don't understand why you keep on posting. Of course, street_racer_00, I simply don't agree with you and I don't think you're a moron just misinformed.

On a side note, Mopars might be my preferred choice for cars but I love all types of cars. What I don't like is ignorance, TypeS.

As for that Road & Track article; I know that the writers at SCC know how to drive but I can't say the same for the writers at R&T. I want some back-to-back tests done with a professional driver.

[TypeS]

Originally Posted by Polygon

Also, it isn’t fair to compare the SRT-4 to the Senrta, Focus, or Celica since they can’t keep up with it.

Is that supposed to be funny? 2 of those cars beat the Turbo Neon around the track, how can you even say they can't keep up?

Originally Posted by Polygon

As for that Road & Track article; I know that the writers at SCC know how to drive but I can't say the same for the writers at R&T. I want some back-to-back tests done with a professional driver.

Oh sure

If they didn't know how to drive, they wouldn't have been able to have the lower powered car like the GS-T or the Sentra beat the SRT-4.

But of course, since there's a source, it's not good enough. Nothing is good enough.

I wonder how many mods the SRT-4 would need to keep up with a Lamborghini around a race track because stock, it can't even beat NA 4 bangers.

[-The Stig-]

I'm closing this.


Everybody needs to chill the freak out. This thread has come short of name calling and direct flaming of ones character.

So, before the shit hits the fan. And to save face, we'll just walk away from it here.

If you must continue your debate, feel free to take it up in PMs. I really don't want it in my forum.



Polygon, Layla's Keeper, Neutrino... and any other mod. You may re-open this thread if you feel things can progress in a mature manner.

I find it doubtful it will. But your call guys.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by RedNeck383

Polygon, Layla's Keeper, Neutrino... and any other mod. You may re-open this thread if you feel things can progress in a mature manner.

I find it doubtful it will. But your call guys.

No, you're right, it should stay closed.