Camaro Reliability

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Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
educating the ignorant is hard.. what can i say.. the NSX type S zero weighs in at around 2800 lbs runs the quarter in 12.7 and has similar performance to the NSX Type R, of course for some neanderthals that never leave their very limited habitat.. wouldn't realize that even a type S zero or R variation of the NSX exist... so you continue to wallow in your artificially constructed locus of distorted reality believing that all NSX's are 3100 lb behemoths with a 250 hp engine running the quarter in around 14 seconds.... of course i could mention that the supra was engineered to make 500 hp from the factory with minimal mods.. meaning boost control and bigger exhaust.. or i could tell you about the 500 hp NISMO 400 R from the mid nineties.. or the subaru 22b or silvia... but none of these things would make a darned bit of difference to those that relegate themselves as inhabitants of a dark misinformed opinionated yet unsubstantiated ignorant existence.. ..can't change the world.. all i can do is say what i believe and back it up with facts.. and.. 127 is not in the top 1% of the IQ bell curve more like the top 3-4 percent.. anyway.. if you are as smart as you say you are..then some of my comments will hopefully open your eyes.. if not.. well then.. some people will never learn

Since when is a SBC not able to be mod'd easily and cheaply to make big horsepower?

When you go to the dragstrip, the faster cars there...would you say more of them are domestics, or imports.

Now, the NSX is a nice car, but NOT WORTH THE PRICE TAG.

The supra is badass b/c it has a beefy bottom end that can hold lots of power. But guess what, internally stock LS1's w/ blowers put down over 500rwhp without problems (hell, guy around here got 544rwhp with stock heads and cam and just 9lbs of boost).

You wanna talk about buying respect, go buy a porshe or ferrari, you want performance get a vette or build something. The NSX is trying to be both, and 12.7 stock for a supposedly fast car at $80k isn't enough, and its not gonna get you respect (from those above or below you, just other NSX owners).

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BTW, i'll never like imports over domestics. I can respect some imports, but not all of them deserve respect.

To get small displacement engines to produce large numbers, you need lots of work, and you are pushing limits of the engine.

When you have more cu to work with, you don't have to push every part to its limit, and you have more freedom in modding.

Think about it, the bottom line is engines create power from the combustion of an air/fuel mixture, the more A/F mixture it can get through it the better. Big displacement engines with high flowing intake manifolds, heads, and exhaust will be more powerful than a smaller displacement engine with the same mods.

Well you say, put a turbo/blower on the smaller engine...very well, do it for the larger engine as well.

Why would you want a small engine where limits are so much lower? There is NO REASON to want a smaller engine when you can make a larger engine more powerful. You say then it weighs a lot...not true. My friend's firebird with an LT1 (iron block) has a weight of 2900lbs (no driver), btw...he runs 11.1 with the engine stock except headers, a cam, and a 150 dry shot.

Imports are cool sometimes...but don't bash domestics without thinking.

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Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
correction.. 400 hp.. nismo 400R with the 2.8 liter engine.. the one.. that displaces a volume of space slightly larger than a 2 liter bottle of diet coke.. and everybody knows diet coke sucks. so it must suck.. even though it runs a 12 something stock... and will handle the crap out of any american car from the same year.... .. of course... because it's from japan it sucks.. coz asians are stupid..and have slanty eyes.. and small members.. yes asians sucks and their cars sucks.. even though they last longer, look better, pollute less, and are more efficient..

Uhhh...12 something...ok, 12.what?

Actually, a 2.8L engine would displace nearly 3 liters, not nearly 2...rounding 8 usually goes up.

Guess what: stock LS1 + large cam + headers = 400hp. Cheap, easy, and lots of room to improve.

[DkShadow]

I cant believe i left without commenting on this...

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500

1) the viper.. no ABS.. no traction control..

2) 1996-00: If used in extensive track type testing or aggressive driving, steering rack mounting brackets can crack. 1996-99: If used in extensive track type testing or aggressive driving, differential mounting brackets could fail.

3) 2000-01: Some of the owner's manuals for these vehicles are missing instructions for properly attaching a child restraint system's tether strap to the tether anchorage

4) Defect: Certain passenger vehicles used extensively in track types of racing events and subjected to aggressive driving conditions could experience cracks at the welds of the rear differential mounting bracket. The cracks could eventually lead to metal fatigue and dislodging of the differential mounting bracket from the frame of the vehicle. Separation of the differential mounting bracket could result in loss of vehicle control.

5) Chrome on the mag wheels started to peel.

6) The ride was extremely uncomfortable.

7) This car had never been abused, it was just a lemon from the start.

8) The 450hp sounds nice, but when you are only getting 10m/gallon...

1) Like DeViL said "Uncomfortable, hot, forces you to pay attention to the road or you'll regret it, no traction control, damn right no stupid traction control, the car isn't for pussies."

2) You play, you pay. Simple as that. Everyone should be aware of the consequences of doing it...

3) Haha, its a f'kin Sports/Supercar not a family vehicle

4) Read #2

5) Eh, alot of Chrome wheels sometime gets pits/peel

6) Again, its a f'kin Sports car with Sports tuned suspension... You dont buy it expecting it to be riding like a goddamn Lincoln

7) Alot of cars from different manufacturers come out of the assembly line as "fk ups." Yes even BMW has their share and Toyota, Honda, Nissan too.

8) Eh... 10 cylinders and you expect to get more mpgs?

Oh well... I cant wait to just log on later on today and read your comment on my posts.... Cant wait till then...

[BlkCamaroSS]

It'll just be a string of 4-5 posts with run-ons. There, now you don't have the check on the thread. You know the answer already.

[-The Stig-]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
educating the ignorant is hard.. what can i say.. the NSX type S zero weighs in at around 2800 lbs runs the quarter in 12.7 and has similar performance to the NSX Type R, of course for some neanderthals that never leave their very limited habitat.. wouldn't realize that even a type S zero or R variation of the NSX exist... so you continue to wallow in your artificially constructed locus of distorted reality believing that all NSX's are 3100 lb behemoths with a 250 hp engine running the quarter in around 14 seconds....

Yeah, I know there are Type-S and Type-R versions of the NSX.

But I'm comparing only what comes to America. I could care less what the car does over in Japan and other countries. Seeing as I'll never see a Type-S or Type-R version... why whould I care?

According to Acura.com highest model you can get is the 3.2 V6 with a 6spd. And it weighs 3153lbs with sub 300hp (Remember, Key word American version). Overall it's an OK car, just doesn't have the nuts to justify it's price tag.

[99' Z-28]

Can i ask, why the heck we are talking about NSX and some imports here? I noticed a viper was thrown into this. I mean, this started out with someone asking how reliable a camaro will be. No we get into arguements with power to weight ratio's and NSX Type R's. This is getting silly, where are the moderators?!?!?!? Lets stay the heck on topic here, looks to me that the name of this thread has lost its purpose.

[BlkCamaroSS]

It did go off topic, thanks the the skyline guy...

[skyliner34GT500]

you guys think the nsx can't break 300 hp... hah... in JGTCGT00 class it's been doing for the past ten years. 500 hp from a 3.2 liter.. ..the only reason japanese cars don't come with more than 300 hp from the factory is the gentlemen's agreement.. you see unlike america..japan is mindful of the ecology of the world and how pollution affects its delicate balance.. not wanting to drastically upset this balance they take every step possible..to exhist with minimal impact on the world when they can.. meaning. they recycle almost everything.. make the lowest emissions vehicles in the world... and limit horsepower on their cars.. or at least have during the 90's .. now it's starting to change so they can remain competitive.. ... of course..nothing i say matters to you most of you guys..so i don't know why i try...

[DkShadow]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
first of all.. guy waiting to nitpick my posts.. it's obvious your analytical skills are not very keen.. if you had discerned the word "anecdotal" preceeding the info about the viper..you would realize that was "anecdotal" hence third party statements.. ... you are funny well although it may be fascinating to you that a 6 liter engine can take 500 whp without upgrading.. i find it even more fascinating that a 3 liter engine can take 700 whp without internal upgrades.. if its half the size.. and capable of significantly more horsepower than an engine twice its size.. that must be a testament to its precision and excellent engineering..anyhow.. regarding the point on the viper.. yes its faster than an NSX, but at what expense.. can you drive it everday without it rattling your eyes out of their sockets or breaking down.. no coz it is an american car... but can you drive the NSX everyday and expect the utmost in civility and comfort while still running high 12 second runs and have impeccably predictable while at teh same time extreme handling limits.. yets.. DOES YOUR MINISCULE CRANIUM FINALLY GET IT? probably not.. anyhow i think that's enough

Lets see... 03 Ford Mustang Cobra 350-70 to the wheels, around 415+ to the crank... Runs 12s all day with a good driver... Pulley, exhaust, chip, and gears ($2000 of mods at the most) youre on the 560rwhp+, around 650 on the fly... Slap on a Kenne Bell, crank the boost to 22+psi... and you have a 800rwhp+ with stock bottom end, internals, all for less than $45k. Im sure youre quite aware that theres 10 second 03 Cobras that are daily driven, not to mention a couple of them are in the 8s already... All this within one year of the car coming out. Also, arent the Z06s faster than the NSX, not to mention was handed its ass by it from one of your trustworthy mags, theyre definitely daily driven by some. I really dont get why youre trolling around here... its not like anyone cares... Youll probably retort with "Enlightening the misinformed blah blah blah",.. If you truly think we need to spend $80k to be Enlightened, You definitely need help.

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No, he thinks he needs to spend $80k for respect and women. I can't believe he actually put that in his post.

Z06 is a better car in my opinion as it out performs the NSX and costs less. I like GM interiors, the seats are comfortable (even in my lowly formula) and everything else isn't bad. Sorry i'm not wrapped in wood panels and supple leather...we are talking about performance.

The bottom line is when you buy an NSX here in the US (not some 1 off version with 500hp), you are wasting money.

Reliability? The LS1/LS6 is a VERY reliable engine, and at a very low cost.

A lot of R&D when into the LS1/6. Getting a 346cu engine to put out 300-310 to the wheels stock and pass smog and all of the other crap they have to get through to make it and be popular. How come with just a cam and 2 bolt-ons you can make 400rwhp. How come with JUST a blower pushing 6 or 9psi you can break 500rwhp for cheap.

[skyliner34GT500]

it's not like i care about a rustang anyway.. but this is what one tuner website had to say about the 99 mustang 4.6 engine..

As far as Hyland is concerned, the stock Cobra short block is good for 475 hp and 7,000 rpm continuous duty (as far as typical road racing, etc), while the GT block can sustain 400 hp and 6,000 rpm continuously. Beyond that, he says, you can experience substantial problems.

i'm looking up the max hp on a stock block for the 5.4 liter now... i seriously doubt your claim.. however even if the cobra can take 850 whp like you "claim" i'm not impressed... if you wanna impress me.. take a 1993 engine made by an american auto maker that can handle 850 whp on a stock block like toyota has proven... an engine nearly half the size.. that's what i call impressive... big freaking deal.. a ford engine made 10 years later and twice the size can take the same amount of max horsepower on a stock block... im looking up the 2003 cobra engine now... no matter the results.. i'm cynically unimpressed by a 5.4 liter engine making 800 whp REALIABLY... on a stock block... does anything register in that miniscule sized cranium of yours when a 3.0 liter engine made a decade ago..can take 800 whp some are even running 900 whp on stock internals.. RELIABLY.. that's what i call engineering.. heck ... Honda was making 1.5 liter 1300 hp F1 engines back in its championship run in the late eighties.. that's what i call impressive....dont' mention top fuel either.. coz they require rebuilds every 5 seconds..not what i call reliable

[BlkCamaroSS]

Since we're talking about being eco-friendly, how does fitting a gajillion people into an island the size of Florida or smaller make anything having to do with Japan good for the earth? The engine in the NSX is already almost tuned to capacity, why not buy something that responds more to mods?

I'm gonna go burn off my rear tires on some 108 octane gas and shoot some baby seals in the head with my Desert Eagle.

[DkShadow]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
it's not like i care about a rustang anyway.. but this is what one tuner website had to say about the 99 mustang 4.6 engine..

As far as Hyland is concerned, the stock Cobra short block is good for 475 hp and 7,000 rpm continuous duty (as far as typical road racing, etc), while the GT block can sustain 400 hp and 6,000 rpm continuously. Beyond that, he says, you can experience substantial problems.

i'm looking up the max hp on a stock block for the 5.4 liter now... i seriously doubt your claim.. however even if the cobra can take 850 whp like you "claim" i'm not impressed... if you wanna impress me.. take a 1993 engine made by an american auto maker that can handle 850 whp on a stock block like toyota has proven... an engine nearly half the size.. that's what i call impressive... big freaking deal.. a ford engine made 10 years later and twice the size can take the same amount of max horsepower on a stock block... im looking up the 2003 cobra engine now... no matter the results.. i'm cynically unimpressed by a 5.4 liter engine making 800 whp REALIABLY... on a stock block... does anything register in that miniscule sized cranium of yours when a 3.0 liter engine made a decade ago..can take 800 whp some are even running 900 whp on stock internals.. RELIABLY.. that's what i call engineering.. heck ... Honda was making 1.5 liter 1300 hp F1 engines back in its championship run in the late eighties.. that's what i call impressive....dont' mention top fuel either.. coz they require rebuilds every 5 seconds..not what i call reliable

Are you stupid? Since when do the 03 Cobras have 5.4 li engines? Theyre 4.6s. Dont believe they can handle the power? X2C Motorsports has made a kit for the new Cobras that has 800+rwhp at 24psi. You truly are ignorant... Nothing short of it... Wow... Great that a car that would never be sold to the general public makes 1000hp+ off one liter and the all powerful NSX makes 500hp on the JGTC... Hmm... Do you own one? Have you driven one? I seriously doubt it... the most youve done is probably squeeze one out looking at them... I would rather believe what I see than what some fat dick says over the computer or some magazine... End of discussion... that pretty much sums it all. Besides, Im not the "Hardcore Muscle Head" as your dumbass perceives me to be. Im into alot of imports but just because I own a domestic means im stupid and youre somehow greater because youre sending your cash to some jap company. Funny how that works... Oh and great quoting Sean Hyland Motorsports... he builds fucking engines for godsakes, ofcourse hes going to list what the stock capabilities are! Besides those arent for the 03s... If you would have known the 03s are built a little differently than their predecessor.
Also, youre including FI into the equation. Add any FI into a 5.7 or a 4.6mod and youll see the results, its already showing in the Mustang. And as much as youd want to think, the smaller engine wont ever make the same amount of HP as a domestic Naturally Aspirated and sell well competitively. You bring up the fabled 3.0 that handles 800hp internally, wow my god i wonder what that could be?!? DID THAT FUCKING CAR EVEN SOLD WELL??!?! It was too expensive which caused it to fuck over and die. You get too goddamn nostalgic when it comes to these ricebuckets.

[DkShadow]

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
Since we're talking about being eco-friendly, how does fitting a gajillion people into an island the size of Florida or smaller make anything having to do with Japan good for the earth? The engine in the NSX is already almost tuned to capacity, why not buy something that responds more to mods?

I'm gonna go burn off my rear tires on some 108 octane gas and shoot some baby seals in the head with my Desert Eagle.

Too bad we wont read his response

i'm done with this thread.. won't respond to any more posts

What a fucking loser