Spe-V vs WRX

[SR20B12]

Originally Posted by nismo_pilot

thats weight on the crank that loses power, but your power to weight ratio will still suck if you have more weight, you just wont lose power, and again the fact that the wrx is 4wd hurts it from a roll, do we not understand thins? extra rotational mass means more drivetrain loss, PLUS it is heavier, thats two strikes against 4wd from a roll, and when have you broken your tires loose from a 45 roll? if you ever have then you shouldnt be wondering if youll beat a stock wrx, youd be up there with cobra mustangs and stuff, traction is not an issue from a roll, unless youre in a 1000whp front drive car or something, please re read my post before this, im sick of arguing with a brick wall, spec wins from a roll, done

Sorry, I was just trying to state facts.. if I don't have my facts in order please fill me in . I have had had both types of cars. so to me I see both sides of the fence. yes this is a dead subject.. Drama.

[nismo_pilot]

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?

[slideways...]

you are right but power to weight ratio doesnt matter as much as you think. i dont have exact numbers but im speaking from life experiences. all that aside, i dont know why people even start "car A vs car B in the 1/4" debates. there are so many variables that it doesnt even matter about what road and track says.
just consider hp, tq, drivetrain, and weight for starters, and form your own opinions.
i fuck with crotch rockets on the freeway because they are scared to take the curves over 100 so my old auto sentra could beat them.

[SR20B12]

Originally Posted by nismo_pilot

fact that 4wd loses more power through drivetrain loss, around 30%, fact that traction doesnt matter from a rolling start, fact that the wrx weighs more than the spec, fact that the wrx is quicker in the quarter only due to its 4wd launch advantage, if i pull a 2.2 60' time, and he gets a 1.7, theres your half second advantage in quarter times, if you plug power and weight into an equation, say the wrx pushes 230 at the crank, and loses 30% thorugh the drivetrain, it loses 69 horsepower to the wheels, effectively making its horsepower 161 at the tires, then the spec makes 175 at the crank, it loses around 15%, which is 26.25 hp loss, that puts the spec at 148 to the wheels, a 13hp difference, in theory the wrx should win due to more power, but how much more does the wrx weigh? 400lbs more, so if you make an equation of power to weight you get the spec at 18.24 pounds per horsepower, and the wrx at 19.25 pounds per horsepower, the spec's power to weight ratio is a full pound better than the wrx, although it will not murder the wrx, the spec will still pull it, there are your facts, now who wants to argue?

wow turbo... it's all good. I'm not arguing with you .I think you and I are saying about the same thing. this VS game will heat up about any body that posts on it. this thread shoud be closed.

[nismo_pilot]

*thread closed* lol

[daveshapellSVT]

i dunno man i'm still not convinced a spec v will take a wrx. i mean we need solid stats here. are we talking about a fully moded spec against a stock wrx? or are we talking a moded wrx and a moded spec. either way the more i think of this i realize how retarded this debate is. theres so many variables. either one of these cars could beet the other it just depends whats been done to them. now if its stock for stock i'm still going with the wrx. my spec v stock ran 15.1, and thats one of the faster stock specs out there. even with the whole AWD drivetrain loss debate in effect, with half a second slower from 14.2 thats still high 14's with out the awd advantage. the sentra still has to make up at least 3 tenths of a second in acceleration to match the wrx. I dunno i guess no one really hasd any proof or video evedence so i guess its all opinion so why argue no ones gonna change what they think. i think we need some high way race vids posted to really get this debate going cause right now this is just retarded.

[nismo_pilot]

just killed one last night, my intake header pulley vs his exhaust and intake, pulled him from 45, not by much but when we got to 80 he was a half car behind

[SR20B12]

I 'll see if I can get a hold of a friend in miami. he might have what we are looking for.

[daveshapellSVT]

you probably raced an impreza. base 170hp version of the wrx. i mean i don't wanna rain on any ones parade but a wrx will kill a slightly moded spec v. i know for a fact because i had a fully moded specv and it ran a best of 14.5 on stock tires. a wrx will run 14.2 all day. so even if the wrx has the advantage of awd, from a roll your not gonna murder a wrx. only way thats gonna happen is two things: it was an impreza, or the guy wasn't racing. end of story. i been around a long time to know this. i been to the track everyother weekend for the past two yrs and i cruise around and race a lot.

i'd like to also add that when everyone reads the mags and sees the quarter times for the wrx they should realize that the test driver isn't launching that awd to its full capacity. they are conservative. so really the wrx in the quarter that everyone reads about isn't benefiting much from its awd. you could freaking launch that thing at 5k and it would just go. Plus i read up top you had intake,header,and pulley, that will get you, at best, a 14.6 or 14.7. you still have to make up almost half a second to even line up and honk three times to a wrx. This arguement is stupid its as clear as day guys. i know cause i used to be a die hard spec v guy and i've owned one. i like the car but facts are facts. i've seen street races and track times i know what i'm talking about.

[nismo_pilot]

i wasnt racing him on the track, posting quarter times doesnt mean anything, it was a wrx for sure, talked to the guy after the race, wrx isnt that fast stock, everytime you post quarter times just remember, theres the awd launch difference, i raced him on the street from a roll, whatever time you post is irrelevant

[fugiot]

Yeah, it's really all about the launch. I Spec in the 14's can pull on a stock WRX from a roll. It's really simple. The only variable would be altitude. In a high city like Denver(haha very high now), the turbo has a power advantage in addition to the AWD launch. At sea level, a Spec-V should put up a good fight form a roll.

[nismo_pilot]

^^^^^
thank you sir......yeah ill get creamed from a dig, but the original question was from a roll and the wrx gets beat, you add any mods to it and it will walk the spec, but stock it gets beat, sorry to rain on teh parade

[slideways...]

everyone has their experiences. mine is that my buddy's wrx with CAI and cat back beat an evo(intake, up pipe, downpipe, exhaust) and an s2000 and a FD rx7.
i didnt personally witness the honda or 7 but i saw the evo race and he raced him 3 times and beat him all 3 by like a car and a half. no way a spec could do that.
oh and i seen him race various 2wd cars (RSX-S, eclipse v6, and others) and he pulls them hard as hell even after launch.

in my experience given equal mods, any mods, a wrx will beat a spec. even on a roll
(of course i mean equal drivers too...)

[daveshapellSVT]

yea theres no way a spec v can beat a wrx. i've seen slightly moded wrx's running 13's. No one launches those cars hard cause they don't wanna break shit. trust me a wrx pulls harder then a specv. check out the V-board. i have been a member on there for over a yr. it takes a lot to get a specv into the 13's. like full bolt ons an a shot of nitrous. i'm not calling anyone a liar i'm just saying a wrx if faster by far so there must be something we don't know.

[fugiot]

But barely anybody who owns a WRX and races leaves it stock. It's so EASY to just raise the boost and go. It's very rare that Spec will even have the chance to race a WRX on stock boost.