Economic Stimulus

[HotZ28]

Today, the U.S. House of Representatives approved another $787 billion dollar "drunken sailor" spending spree by a vote of 246-183; however, no Republicans voted for it. Barack Obama and his team of self interest democrats, made a mad dash to cram this political payoff called a "stimulus bill" through, in an effort to prevent opposition from organizing and responding to this shameful waste of taxpayer money. Most of them did nothing more than glance at the 1000 page package! Welcome to the "Change you can't believe in!"

[VR43000GT]

Eh, I never had my hopes up to begin with. Even from the start it never really was a stimulus plan. Things like 300,000 + going towards STD prevention as a stimulus package? I'm sure it will lift us right out of this slump.

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

Things like 300,000 + going towards STD prevention as a stimulus package? I'm sure it will lift us right out of this slump.

Yeah, the entire stimulus I expect to see from STD prevention monies, will probably be no more than a quick link to this site; Click Here

Notice the “bulk discount” to non-profit organizations! I really hope that would apply to Rev. Wright’s "God damn America" church, as well as the members of ACORN!

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Today, the U.S. House of Representatives approved another $787 billion dollar "drunken sailor" spending spree by a vote of 246-183; however, no Republicans voted for it. Barack Obama and his team of self interest democrats, made a mad dash to cram this political payoff called a "stimulus bill" through, in an effort to prevent opposition from organizing and responding to this shameful waste of taxpayer money. Most of them did nothing more than glance at the 1000 page package! Welcome to the "Change you can't believe in!"

Regardless, the burden is now on the Democrats because the trillion dollar question is Will It Work? At least the members of Congress with the (R) after their names can sleep peacefully ay night and did the will of their constituents which was to vote NO!

I'm looking forward to seeing people that voted for Obama and the Demo Congress in the soup lines in the near future. Then who are they going to blame.

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by BNylor

Then who are they going to blame.

Well, when they see that their Messiah did not allocate enough money for them to buy a "big screen" then of course, who else can they blame but BUSH!

[CL8]

I called all 7 Democrats who voted AGAINST the bill, and left them a message of thanks for voting against it.

[CL8]

How about calling the corporate offices of those companies taking the stimulus money (like GM and Ford among others) and telling them you won't buy any of their products because they took money stolen from the taxpayers??!!

[mudslinger88]

Originally Posted by CL8

How about calling the corporate offices of those companies taking the stimulus money (like GM and Ford among others) and telling them you won't buy any of their products because they took money stolen from the taxpayers??!!

I would like to be able to do that, but the only two vehicles I own are Ford and Chevy. I don't want them to go under but, on the other hand, the manner of staying afloat is, as you have stated, stolen from the taxpayers. Now if there was a way I could buy parts that weren't funded by this circuis of a political party called 'The Change We Can Belive In', I would buy them. The problem is, I'm to lazy to find that crap.

Now we see which political party has the grapes to keep this country going. Yes a Republican was in office when that day happened, but honestly, Bush was a dang good president, especially considering the times. Now if it had been a Democrat in office when 9/11 happened, there would be a sour taste towards Dems. That's all it is. It's hard to prove that one wrong. That's my opinion and I will stand by it. I do like a good argument. I DO NOT agree with any of this 'stimulus' bullcrap but I will do what my Commander-In-Chief tells me to. I may not like it but what he says goes.
~JD~

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

I'm looking forward to seeing people that voted for Obama and the Demo Congress in the soup lines in the near future. Then who are they going to blame.

No offense, Bob, but we can't afford that thought process. I don't like BO and I don't trust the Democratics at the helm, but I'd really hate to see soup lines and hardship for anybody. We can't afford to have this government fail.

That being said, I let my Senators (Casey and Specter) know what I thought of their votes.

For anyone who only wants to blame Bush for all this, I say you will have to blame Reagan, Clinton, and Obama as well. You cannot have it both ways. You cry about blaming Clinton, but now the Bush camp can say the same thing. If Clinton couldn't be blamed when Bush was in office, then neither can Bush now that BO is the big cheese. There's no difference in my opinion.

Credit or blame can be attributed to the guy in charge. Hazards of command and all that. BO's supporters had him walking on water. Let's see how well he swims now with Pelosi and Reid for ballast. To be perfectly honest, those 2 concern me far more than Obama does, but we're stuck with all 3 at the moment.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

No offense, Bob, but we can't afford that thought process. I don't like BO and I don't trust the Democratics at the helm, but I'd really hate to see soup lines and hardship for anybody. We can't afford to have this government fail.

You're probably right Doug but I really don't care about my fellow Americans anymore. Lets face it this country is polarized even more than ever and it is a dog eat dog world. When you have people that have a delusional mentality like the lady in this Youtube video hard to have pity for them but disgust, anger and hatred prevails. Most people that voted for Obama really do not know why they voted for him. Because he is cool? As far as I am concerned you reap what you sow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

Most people that voted for Obama really do not know why they voted for him. Because he is cool? As far as I am concerned you reap what you sow.

I'm glad you didn't take offense. None was intended. I want to throw up my hands and just say, "screw them all", but you know darn well it will do nothing but bring the rest of us untold amounts of grief, and it may require us to actively defend our lives and property. (if anyone doesn't know what that means, I can't help you.)

As usual, the honest, tax paying citizenry of this country will take it in the shorts and suffer far more than those getting massive handouts.

That video was probably one of the scariest things to come out of this past campaign. I, too, feel no pity, only disdain for such an ignorant and dangerous mindset. I think everyone should also follow the links at the bottom of that video to hear Stern's piece on the interviews with the voters in Harlem. THAT should definitely give you pause to consider BO's support base. It is glaringly obvious none of those people had the slightest clue whatsoever concerning Obama's positions, but they darn sure were voting for the man. They thought Sara Palin was his running mate, for crying out loud.

However, if they end up in soup lines, this country will never recover. It may happen anyway, with our present leadership.

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Well, when they see that their Messiah did not allocate enough money for them to buy a "big screen" then of course, who else can they blame but BUSH!

Exactly what is going to happen. If he gets things right he'll look like a hero and if he doesn't the dems will turn their head back at Bush. Even though he promised "CHANGE we can believe in," it will be put back off on to W if nothing changes.

I like how nobody here is even attmepting to defend Obama at this point either.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

.................and if he doesn't the dems will turn their head back at Bush. Even though he promised "CHANGE we can believe in," it will be put back off on to W if nothing changes.

At that point, if the Republicans don't keep reminding people that the majority party jammed this down our throats, they will deserve whatever happens to what's left of the GOP.

Somehow, it's OK to keep bitch slapping the Republicans for every ill in this country, but it's not OK to hold the Dems responsible for their failures.

Wrong. Time to take the gloves off and kick some ass. If they go down, go down swinging. Make the Dems EARN every victory they get from now on. Make darn sure the public knows what's in every single piece of legislation the Dems propose from now on. Take out full page ads in the paper if need be. The very existence of this country depends upon it.

Obstructionist? Damn right. Deal with it. A lot of that porky pig spending NEEDS to be obstructed.

[HotZ28]

Great Depression Soup Line

[thrasher]

At that point, if the Republicans don't keep reminding people that the majority party jammed this down our throats, they will deserve whatever happens to what's left of the GOP.

Somehow, it's OK to keep bitch slapping the Republicans for every ill in this country, but it's not OK to hold the Dems responsible for their failures.

Wrong. Time to take the gloves off and kick some ass. If they go down, go down swinging. Make the Dems EARN every victory they get from now on. Make darn sure the public knows what's in every single piece of legislation the Dems propose from now on. Take out full page ads in the paper if need be. The very existence of this country depends upon it.

Obstructionist? Damn right. Deal with it. A lot of that porky pig spending NEEDS to be obstructed.

We could easily get into a wasteful spending war here, and I'm pretty sure the Republicans will not fare well either. Characterizing pork spending as exclusive to Democrats is absurd. Of course there is pork in this bill! They're politicians in the United States. I'd be hard pressed to believe that anyone is arguing against this bill as a matter of principle about earmarks and pork spending, because that is something that has been happening for a long time, in Republican and Democrat congresses and administrations. I don't recall seeing any Republicans on this board up in arms about the hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money used to pay for abstinence only sex education that was known at the time to be ineffective against teen pregnancy and STD rates. In fact, abstinence-only sex ed caused a RISE in teen pregnancy rates for the first time in 15 years...yeah, taxpayer money well spent. I could go on...

I wish people could see this for what it is, which is a simple matter of partisan politics playing out... business as usual in Washington. Did anyone actually expect Republicans to get on board with the stimulus plan?

The Democrats did well to make some concessions, but they didn't make enough. There needs to be more cuts in payroll taxes for the middle and lower class (to get them spending again), more mortgage relief, and more home purchasing incentives in the way of tax credits. Increasing foreclosure and ignoring the housing market is only going to exacerbate our problems, despite what people think about personal and commercial "irresponsibility" in the lending crisis, because it's bigger than that now.

As far as Obama is concerned, how could any leader possibly be doing better in his position? He is pushing for increased personal responsibility for all Americans as well as serious review and slashing of ineffective programs (Reagan anyone?) He wants to require welfare recipients to earn their keep through public service. And he wants to create millions of jobs by investing in public works and infrastructure. I've said this before, but all 3 of the biggest economic booms in modern times (Germany WWII, US post WWII, and China recently) have been associated with massive infrastructure and public works projects. This money HAS to be spend. Cutting taxes alone will not do the job.