Souped RSX vs NSX

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

urg INDY? whats wrong with F1 ? the F1 engine is a V10 ? hehe no those things die after one race its a waste of time


developing an engine that has less horsepower would last longer and be more feasable than some stupid V8 from indy or V10 from F1


if i had a choice i'd take the F1 engine i love the sound and the amount of tech !!!!!!!!!!!11

[TerminalVelocity]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


I hope they base their V8 from THIS 2.6 Liter, 800HP Honda V8. Imagine doubling the displacement on THIS sucka:ylsuper ...



P.S. Did I mention it's naturally-aspirated? Or that this motor is LIGHTER than ANY of Honda's current V6's?

but see, then yall would have v8 pride, wouldnt that throw off the balance of the universe?

(just jokin around, noone take this as a hit )

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by Self


I hope they DON'T. I'm not a fan of teeny tiny v8 engines(except in Indy of course, or other areas where that's the best/only way to go). But for the most part, making a v8 engine super small and then forcing it to run like a v6 defeats the purpose of building a v8! Get some displacement in there! Let's see that TORQUE v8s are optimized for! I had heard talks of the new NSX having a 3.5L V8 engine...

That's what I meant by doubling the displacement...

...can you imagine a 5.2 Liter Honda V8 with around 1600 HP?

...or they can cut the revs in half (This V8 redlines at about 13000 RPMs) and still have a Honda 5.2 V8 with about 800 HP. You think that's enough?

[honda troll]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



Did I say an engine is the whole car? Though a very important part no doubt. I suppose they hammer the body panels out of lumps of raw material I was pointing out that being handmade is not so exclusive. Not that handmade is better, it leaves room for human error. Its basically a way to save money on vehicles made in very small numbers. Its much more expensive to set up the machines and robots.

They don't hand build them to save money. They hand build them because it's the pride of Honda's fleet. They hand build them because of the attention to detail and the care put into hand building a car. Save money on a car that is produced in small numbers?? lol. Did you know the Honda S2000 is hand built in the same exact factory? That's right, the 3000-5000 S2000's produced every year are hand built from the bottom up (including the entire engine) in Tochigi, Japan. It's not to save money.

[Self]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


That's what I meant by doubling the displacement...

...can you imagine a 5.2 Liter Honda V8 with around 1600 HP?

...or they can cut the revs in half (This V8 redlines at about 13000 RPMs) and still have a Honda 5.2 V8 with about 800 HP. You think that's enough?

Oh...But c'mon now, you know that's not how things work! Doubling displacement doesn't necessarily double hp, A 5.2L v8 pushing 1600hp NA is one of the craziest things I've ever heard, especially if you're talking about putting this in any sort of production vehicle.

[TerminalVelocity]

true, but how about a 600hp 5.2 stock

I wouldnt find it too hard to believe if I heard the new nsx had 600 hp if it had a honda built 5.2...course...then i'd feel weird having a engine built by honda with .2 cubes more than me

I'D DRIVE IT!

[BlkCamaroSS]

Hell, I've never driven an NSX, so if someone drove up with one and said, "Hop in and take it for a spin", I'd just say "Peace!!!" and haul some ass...

[Jay!]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Isnt that nice.

Umm... I think so.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
The 2003 cobra engine is handmade from bare block to finished running unit. And cost 30 grand less...

And I'm sure it's an incredible engine, but then they put it in the same plastic-y body that I see on eleventy billion V6 Mustangs everyday. Yes, I know there will be styling differences, and the whole 'sleeper' thing is totally attractive to me... But I just don't expect to be too impressed by the looks of it. (However, when I hear it... )

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
...as well as walk circles around the NSX in the 1/4, and no doubt be a serious contender on a road course.

I already said the NSX is not good for the 1/4 racing... That's no deal breaker for me, since I could care less, personally, for straight-line racing. I would certainly love to see the two do battle on a road course, though!

Originally posted by honda troll
Did you know the Honda S2000 is hand built in the same exact factory? That's right, the 3000-5000 S2000's produced every year are hand built from the bottom up (including the entire engine) in Tochigi, Japan. It's not to save money.

I do not think the S2000 is fully handmade. I'd believe the engines are, but not the entire car. (Unless you can point me to something stating otherwise... ) The production numbers are just too high. NSX production numbers have been ramping down from ~3100 in 1991 to ~250 in 1998. I know the Tochigi plant makes all the Type R engines, too, so that can account for some displaced capacity. I also read (on Temple of VTEC, IIRC) that when the S2000 went into production, they slowed the NSX line to one unit a day.

Also, from everything I've read, (including an L.A. Times article naming American Honda's Executive Vice President Tom Elliot as a source) it seems to me that Honda wants to develop its DN-X (a.k.a. Dualnote) concept into a production car. If you're not familiar with it, it's a 4-door mid-engined car that uses Honda's IMA (Integrated Motor Assist) technology (hybrid, like the Insight) to couple a 300hp V6 w/ an ~100hp electric motor. Without any specific stats, I'd expect the 300hp V6 to be some type of derivative of the NSX's current engine (perhaps smaller?). The electric motor, which would essentially be there to provide torque on demand, and the V6 are coupled to an AWD drivetrain.

[94svt5.0]

Let me say it again. Handbuilt is a way to save money. No need to make the tooling for very limited production vehicles. And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences. And yes, I would love to see the new cobra take on the NSX on a road course, but if there are many straight aways the cobra would have an advantage. Regardless they are two very different cars.

[Frostbyte]

ok first of all when it comes to drag racing V8's are not even in the same class as the 4-bangers. Why are we even talking about this? Who was it that said that they think it is funny when someone brags about what thier stock CRX ran? Again as I said we are in a whole diffrent class of drag racing so if someone gets a 15.5 on stock CRX that is pretty damn good for what he has. Why do you have to be the fastest thing that drives in a straight line anyways? Let people be happy with what they have without being an ass to them.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
Let me say it again. Handbuilt is a way to save money. No need to make the tooling for very limited production vehicles. And to -jay@af If you think the v6 mustangs look anything like the new cobra then you have to be blind or ignorant or maybe both. Different hood, front bumper, back bumper, spoiler, emblems, interior and rims just to name a few differences. And yes, I would love to see the new cobra take on the NSX on a road course, but if there are many straight aways the cobra would have an advantage. Regardless they are two very different cars.

If handbuilt is a money saver, then why are Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Rolls-Royces, Bentleys...to name a few...so damned expensive? It is what adds to their exclusivity. Mass-production was invented to make products CHEAPER. This is one of the reasons why SALEENS are so expensive, if you think about it. Also, the latest Japan-only NSX-R runs the quarter in around mid-to-low 12's. That's with a naturally-aspirated V6...running nearly the same times as a BLOWN V8. Ruminate on that before you start getting back on your soap-box about how awesome the new Cobra is. Of course there is always the price difference...but we are discussing performance here.

I would like to see the '03 Cobra up against the NSX-R at the track...straight-aways or not.

[BlkCamaroSS]

I nominate myself for driving that NSX-R on the track when the time comes, anyone like to throw one in there for me to drive? Anyone??

[-The Stig-]

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
then i'd feel weird having a engine built by honda with .2 cubes more than me

I'D DRIVE IT!

.2 more cubes? They're talking Liters here TV. So for you, it would be 16 more Cubic Inches.

5.0 liters = 302ci (if we want to be technical, they'r really 4.9liters so 299ci, The Chevy 305 is a true 5.0 but nobody is caring about the damn Chevy 5.0 right?)

5.2 liters = 318ci

Basically if Honda made this motor, they made a Japanese version of the Dodge 318. Hahaha, except for they like the whole DOHC thing.... pshh like that'll ever catch on

[carrrnuttt]

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS
I nominate myself for driving that NSX-R on the track when the time comes, anyone like to throw one in there for me to drive? Anyone??

I'll let you borrow mine as soon as I win in Powerball...

[BlkCamaroSS]

Originally posted by carrrnuttt


I'll let you borrow mine as soon as I win in Powerball...

Excellent, I'm gonna hold you to that...