Fast 4 door sedans worthy of street racing

[Cbass]

Man, I seem to have stirred up quite a controversy here! My apologies, and please don't shut down this thread Spec2Girl!

Yeah, Duesenberg made DOHC cars back in the late 20s. The Japanese have made some very good engines. I am not disputing this. The Germans have made more really good engines, because they have been at it longer. Back when the Nippon Motor Co (nissan) was making cheap trucks for the Japanese army, Mercedes Benz was making street cars with OHC engines, that were fast, reliable, fuel efficient, and luxurious.

BTW, when Nissan first started exporting cars here, they called them Datsuns because they were ashamed to put their name on them.

[flylwsi]

whoa boys....

stop the train and back on topic


vw/audi 1.8t motors can easily be chipped for an extra 50+ hp with no mods. that was a question two pages ago. almost any tuner that makes anything for that motor has the chip and it's about 400 dollars.

off the top of my head, apr, tap1, neuspeed, giac, mtm, and many others have the chip available...

and technically, vw/audi does have that type of upgrade, as audi does have an aftermarket performance arm that carries those products...

or cheaper...
for the 150hp 1.8t, audi used a different ecu in the audi tt and go 180hp (in the base model tt)... so you could get that ecu and chip it...

however, intake/chip/exh on 1.8t is good for like 210hp easy... considering the chip is 50hp... not too shabby.

[Fliquer]

they called them datsuns because they were ashamed to put their name on them.

Who the hell told you that??

BTW, what does that have to do with anything.

[street_racer_00]

Originally posted by flylwsi
vw/audi 1.8t motors can easily be chipped for an extra 50+ hp with no mods. that was a question two pages ago. almost any tuner that makes anything for that motor has the chip and it's about 400 dollars.

I wasn't debating this part of it. I was questioning the fact that the dude who said this also said they could run high 12's with these mods......I was like whatever, nfw(no fucking way).

[Layla's Keeper]

Cbass, I don't think somebody gave you the whole story.

When Nissan was looking to expand into the American market, they saw it as a huge risk. One of things they feared most was being the disgrace of the Japanese auto market if they failed in the US market. They nearly didn't come over. One Mr. Katayama, or "Mr. K" as Z enthusiasts affectionately call him, pushed the company to sell a few token cars in the states, namely the Bluebird sedan (510) and Fairlady Roadster (Datsun 1600). In order to avoid possible disgrace if the effort failed, the cars were renamed as such and titled as "Datsuns". Ultimately, though, the cars were small successes, especially the 510 coupe after Katayama persuaded a few drivers to enter them in the SCCA Trans-Am for under 2L cars. The 510's won that year in the capable hands of John Morton and Pete Brock, and the next year, Katayama convinced Nissan to sell in the states a small, two seat coupe, priced between an MGB and a Corvette, with perfomance equally between, that would be reliable, fun, and even practical. In Japan, it was the new generation of the Fairlady. In the states, it was the Datsun 240Z.

One decade and two years later, Nissan decided that people should know just who really is making the car and owned up to their good fortune of being the first succesful Japanese car company in America.

[Fliquer]

Ok well thats different and understandable. But I still dont see how his post was relevant.

[Cbass]

Well, it was a side note from the whole comparison of Nissan to MB. They didn't want to send the Fairlady over, as it was too good for us. Mr. K actually almost lost his job over this.

Nissan sent their worst economy cars over at first.

Anyways, Octagon, I know all about Nissans early years in the states. Nissan is my favourite Japanese manufacturer! I'm especially familiar with the BRE Datsun 510. Do you know they were running 9" tires on that thing? Crazy, huh? The cool thing was, aside from a few specials like the 5 speed from the 240Z and a special differential, it was a showroom car! They just built the L18, acid dipped the body, and welded some extra metal into the suspension arms!

All in all, a few thousand into the humble 510, and it was dicing it up with the legendary 2002 and Alfa GTVs, which were the best under 2.5L sedans that Europe had to offer. BTW, the championship was TransAm under 2.5L

[Layla's Keeper]

John Morton Army #1782, that's me. God I wish I could mount a set of Mini-lite four spokes mags on my B like the set that were on the BRE 510's and later 240Z's. But, all I've got are 52 spoke wire wheels. Does anyone out there have a set of knock-off Halibrand Starfires that fit the stub axles of an MGB?

[Cbass]

Those were minilites on the 510? Hmm. Did you know Minilite is still making wheels? You can check out their website

http://www.minilite.co.uk/Products/products.html

http://www.minilitewheels.com/

[Polygon]

Originally posted by street_racer_00
5.Dodge neon SRT-4(yeah I know it's supposed to be fast and whatnot, but it's still a NEON for cryin out loud).

What kind of ignorant answer is that? You are going to judge a car by the name it carries and not what the car is made of? I get so sick of people with this mindset, making judgements on things they don't know jack shit about.

[Cbass]

I view this as a major problem. When it comes to brands, people get really offensive/defensive. I hear some Mustang owner going on about how bad Camaros are, and vice versa. We actually have iron heads arguing about how bad the other car maker is!

[Layla's Keeper]

Tell me about it. People who say "Oh man, that car sucks" just because it's "that car" tend to piss me off. There isn't any justification for that mode of thinking. In my experience, you have to approach cars the way you're supposed to approach people; one at a time. I'm not a Ford fan, but I like Merkur XR4Ati's, classic Mustangs, Torino Talladegas, and a lot of other cars of their's. By the same token, I'm a diehards Tifosi. My blood is Scuderia red, but you couldn't give me a 308GT4 (you know, the ugly Bertone wedge from 1975) and I'm not too fond of the styling of the Enzo, either. Each car as it comes should be judged on its own merits, and undoubtedly it will have merits, just maybe not the ones you're looking for.

[6kid]

Good choice of cars, but not fast cars. I driven all of them, trust me. If your looking for a sedan to take to the races buy the wrx like everyone else it's cheap and gets off the line quick, anyone can run a fast drag with it drop the clutch a 6g's and shift a the rev limit.
Here is what you really want, a car that you will be happy with right?!
Buy a 97 or 98 m3 sedan, they came in stick and auto, they have 240hp a 5.3 0-60 and will blow the doors off any other car anyone has mentioned in this post! You will be pleased! It is just an all around better car, better interior, better engine, better handling, better sound, just better. Oh, what can't afford look it up in the autotrader they go for about 22g's, and you will be able to sell it for more in three or four years than any of the other cars people have posted. Go test drive one, and you'll drive home in one! Trust me! Plus you'll own an m3!
E-mail me if you have any questions I'd be glad to answer them, I have driven just about every car you can think of from the buick century to the 355 f1.:smoker2: