Pagani Zonda C12-s vs. Saleen S7 vs. Mclaren F1 LM vs. Lamborghini Diablo SE30 Jota

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
Oh you changed it from any street car to production car huh?

The S7 would be pretty close on the track ya know. It has better cornering and about equal in the quarter mile.

better cornering?? why cuz its skid pad was better...jeez... whatever..this is getting out of hand.

the lm does 0-60 in 2.9 secs, the s7 does 0-60 in 3.8...the 1/4 is not close...1 sec in the 1/4 is 10 car lenghts!!! besides you are looking at skid pad numbers of the standard f1, not even the LM!! the lM has a huge functional wing on it!! It probably pulls over a G....one look at it's 0-150-0 time...

i'm done with this thread. the s7 is a fine car costing 1/4 of the LM. I would take the carrera gt over s7 any day...and the lm over a carrera gt...i was talking about production cars, the whole time...if a car is street legal, it maybe faster in one area then the lm, but it won't be able to dominate it in all areas....

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Racer 20
I can understand if it was a money issue but an S2000??!!! lol Over a ZO6??? You got to be kidding! lol j/k The S2000 is a fun little car.

i almost bought a z06, but saved 16k with the s2000. I could have bought a Z06, but the extra money was not worth it to me...especially with the great re-sale value of teh S2000 and reliability. The s2000 will corner just as hard....just not accelerate as hard. Motor trend go there second fastest slalom speed and time ever with a production car in the S2000 at over 70 mph. The only car to beat it: Viper ACR at 71mph.

I love driving twisties...so for 16k less...the s2000 was the car for me!!
5.3 0-60, 13.6 1/4 mile (time slips from friends...i know mags got slower)
110 ft 60-0 (2.6 secs, over 1G...it feels weird...trust me..it kinds hurts!! )
for 32k...it can't be beat!!

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
Seen the supra one. And short-shifting, I've never heard that before. What is it exactly.

revving all the way...shifting before red line...they do it in the f40 too...to make it closer or something dumb. in the f40 the driver doesn't even put both hands on the wheel between shifts or during cornering...these dorks are part of the "drifting" sub-culture...not real race car drivers! tiff is sweet ass!!

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by enzo@af
McLaren = Diablo + 100something hp - a lot of weight.

McLaren LM = Diablo + 120 HP - 1700lbs + functional downforce wing!! + better chassis

[Z06Lover]

post whoreing!! lol

[Lizard King]

I can't be bothered to argue about the McLaren and S7 anymore.

I am too astonished to read that someone gave up the chance to own a Z06...damn! Its one of the best track cars you can buy. It has the Corvette name and heritage and Corvettes are reliable.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
I can't be bothered to argue about the McLaren and S7 anymore.

I am too astonished to read that someone gave up the chance to own a Z06...damn! Its one of the best track cars you can buy. It has the Corvette name and heritage and Corvettes are reliable.

you have never driven either the S2000 or Z06..i'm sure. I have .... you might read about numbers and say Oh the Z06 is sooo much better, even though numbers say it is only faster in a straight line...which it seems is what matters to you...since you kept talking about the lm's 1/4 times. the performance difference between the Z06 and S2000 isn't as much as you would think when you actually drive them...very different cars, but try to accomplish the same thing. The S2000 has a much, much better feel through the steering wheel...another thing you can't know...since you have never driven either. If you just wanna look at numbers, and quote numbers all day...fine, but that in no way translates or the experience of driving a car. By the way the Z06 is a reliablity nightmare....if you think it's not ....you obviously haven't researched it...the burning oil thing....is only one example. My car already has 1800 miles in 3 weeks....a lot of Z06's barely see over that many miles in a year.

By the way....corvettes haven't been good for a long time. The C5's are great, the Z06 is great...mind a few issues (that will hopefully be cleared up in 2002 so maybe i will buy a 2002), but before that corvette's were hardly sports car (muscle cars maybe). Some of the very early corvettes were great...then a long time passed while corvettes IMO...sucked...the C4 was a pretty good car...ugly as hell and too expensive, but a decent car...especially the ZR1...but not until the C5 was the corvette reliable at all. An American auto manuf. doesn't even make the JD Power reliability top 10 even the top 15...i think..i can't remember exactly. Until, the corvette is closer to as reliable as my S2000 will be..I"m not buying one. Maybe the C6...check out consumer reports on how reliable the corvette is....big black dot! Porsche, which as of now..only makes sports cars, was in the top 5 on the reliability list...so don't say...sports cars will never be as reliable.

This thread is out of control. I have no issues with the corvette or the S7, but with money not being an issue...there are better options. But, for the money the C5 and the Z06 are great cars...as far as bang for buck...i would say the S2000 and Z06 are pretty much tied.

My S2000 will do 0-60 in 5.3,1/4 in 13.8-14.2, top speed of 158, and slalom at over 64-70 mph.
The Z06 will do 0-60 in 4.1, 1/4 12.4-12.8, top speed 171, and slalom at 63-66 mph.
S2000 = 32.345k
Z06 = 48k

which is a better deal?? i don't know..i saved 16k..maybe my next car. check out the resale value of the S2000 also...on autotrader or something..pretty amazing..search for used ones. The z06 has good resale too. Gas mileage is pretty close..but i do get about 32-35 mph on the freeway...the Z06 won't quite get that, but it's close enough...and the S2000 has to have premium...which sux!! And reliability totally goes to the S2000...even if the Z06 is more reliable then old corvettes...which it is...that's not impressive..the old ones sucked big time.... my friends dad had one..piece of crap.

Obviously you prefer american cars..i prefer the better car!! In this case the S2000 was the better car for me..after waying the options..i'm not saying it is a better car overall.

[Chris]

I am preparing a suitable response. But you gave up your dream!!! Oh well, both are good.

PS, that wasn't the respons I'm working on

[Adam]

lolol


conceptcars not good


60 mph form 0: 4.0 seconds for the zonda? i should say not!!

0 - 62 in 3.7 seconds... wouldn't 0 - 60 be less, not more...lol

the zonda and the S7 have same top speed, similar if not same acceleration, and exact same weight.. it comes to looks for those two

[Adam]

oh yeah, want better info and side by side comparisons?

go to http://zonda.hypermart.net/compare/

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Chris
I am preparing a suitable response. But you gave up your dream!!! Oh well, both are good.

PS, that wasn't the respons I'm working on

a dream is not a Z06.....i have been a porsche fan for my whole life. the carrera gt is more of a dream then a Z06...a 2002 Z06 or C6 in 2004 it a possible reality....a McLaren f1 Lm...now that is a dream...

to me the Z06 was just not worth the ext 350/month over the price of the S2000...i'll just leave it at that...when it is your money...you make the right choice for you!!

you guys should be comparing Zonda, S7, Diablo and the carrera Gt..that would be a close comparison
Carrera Gt, 2400lb, 560hp, V10, 8 capliper brakes...no real stats..all porsche will say is under 4 0-60, over 200 mph top speed..only available in a roadster.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Adam
oh yeah, want better info and side by side comparisons?

go to http://zonda.hypermart.net/compare/

the F1 or the LM were not even on there...whole different league.

[Adam]

I know,,, that is because I finally figured out the f1 isn't comparable.. that's the new compar I guess

[Lizard King]

lol I posted some numbers that show the McLaren isn't as supirior as you say. I realise that numbers aren't the whole story but my point was to show that a 427 isn't shit or lowly.

The Z06 hasn't been out long enough to start saying how many miles they do per year.

Corvettres are an icon, a legend. You might go off saying they're shit or whatever but I'll just laugh at you.

[Z06Lover]

Originally posted by Lizard King
lol I posted some numbers that show the McLaren isn't as supirior as you say. I realise that numbers aren't the whole story but my point was to show that a 427 isn't shit or lowly.

The Z06 hasn't been out long enough to start saying how many miles they do per year.

Corvettres are an icon, a legend. You might go off saying they're shit or whatever but I'll just laugh at you.

i could care less if you laugh at me...old corvettes for a long time were shit. there records as far as reliablity and any thing else other then straight line are shit. nothing you posted said the LM was in any way worse the S7...you were quoting numbers of the F1, not the LM....I never said the 427 or the S7 are lowly...jeeez...what crawled up you ass??

actually i routinely talk to people who drive Z06's on the the z06 message board. most of them by the time they have 1900 miles..which is what i have on my car, are burning 1-2 quarts per 1000miles (1 quart per 1000 miles is what chevy says is norma....that's pathetic.). A guy on there wanted to sell me his..cuz he bought an S2000...he was the one who told me to check them out!!

Look, it is obvious you have never owned a real performance car..and are just going by numbers you have read in magazines... get some money....buy a Z06 or whatever..and be happy with what you got..but stop quoting me numbers of cars you have never and will never drive. You will most likely never own an S7..nor will i own a LM, but if I had a choice ...LM all the way, carrera GT over S7...my choice...that is the way it is.... nothing wrong with the S7, but for 350k....no way....other cars i would rather have.

When I get my Z06, C6, or Porsche 911..i'm sure i will be happy with it, but for now..the S2000 is a perfect car for me...and it's a convertible...which i thought i would never want...but it's actually very cool. that is one very impressive thing about it...it can pull .95 g's on skidpad and run over 70+ in slalom...and it's a convertible!! pretty impressive....ya gotta admit...the x-frame construction...is very cool.