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#46
11-22-2005, 02:38 PM
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Re: GM may file chapter 11 banckruptcy
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sounds like gm wont be the one to go down...... so it has to be between ford and dodge which one????
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#47
12-04-2005, 10:01 PM
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Re: GM may file chapter 11 banckruptcy
I am am A GM/UAW member, and I take great offense to what has been said about Unions. First if anyone believes that if there where no unions big companys would still give the benefits and pay they do, they need to wake up. The reason they go over seas is no unions cheap slave labor. We as union members do work, just because we are in a union that doesnt give us a right to do nothing. Delphis pension under funded, do you know why, when GM spun them off (they still own 51%) they gave them the money to fully fund their pensions, delphi promptly took it and built a factory in Brazil, and china, they are allowed under their chapter 11 to continue to send money from their U.S. operations to the overseas operations. If GM where to stop paying what it does or cut medical do you really think it would not affect you, every company would follow and cut wages because they can, and would have to because off all the money that would stop flowwing from the employees. Then there is the complaint that when we are laid off we still get 95% of our pay, do you really think GM just gives us that. No we pay into what is called the sub fund, years ago we neg. that our raises at the time instead of getting it on our paychecks it would be put into this account, so every hour we work we are basically saveing in case there is a lay off, thats our money anyways. there are so many more things that I could go on about the misconceptions that i could write all night, but wont because most will only beleive what is in the paper and still believe that big business will take care of them without unions, so unless you know for sure what you are saying about unions please keep it to yourself or ask.
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#48
12-05-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: GM may file chapter 11 banckruptcy
Lets start with this little gem
Parking Feud By Kimberly Craig Web produced by Jenny Clark March 9, 2005 Some U.S. Marines say they were surprised by the decision made by Detroit auto workers about parking. It all started with the cars some Marines drove, and what was on them. The words that have some U.S. Marines in shock came from the man in charge of security at the UAW Solidarity House, on Jefferson in Detroit. For a number of years now, dozens of Marine reservists have been thankful to park in the UAW’s lot for weekend training with no problem at all - until now. Marines at nearby Marine Corps Reserve Center say on Tuesday morning, the director of security at the UAW told them that while they support the troops, Marines driving foreign vehicles or sporting a President George Bush bumper sticker were no longer welcome to park there. U.S. Marine Lt. Col. Joe Rutledge told Action News, "We received a phone call from the UAW, who support us by letting us park down at their facility. They called and said they weren’t going to allow or they would turn away some vehicles." A spokesman for the UAW released a statement to Action News which reads: "While reservists certainly have the right to drive non-union made vehicles and display bumper stickers touting the most anti-worker, anti-union president since the 1920s, that doesn’t mean they have the right to park in a lot owned by members of the UAW." As U.S. Marine Corps Capt. Lee Cooper explained, "We’re very appreciative, but on the other hand, it’s kind of discriminating between, let’s say a lance corporal going through college can only afford a 15-year-old vehicle and it happens to be a Nissan." Are these vehicles acceptable? Isuzu Ascender Mazda Tribute Mitsubishi Endeaver Toyota Corolla Mazda B Series Mitsubishi Raider Toyota Tacoma Mitsubishi Galant Mazda Tribute Mitsubishi Eclipse Mazda 6
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#49
12-05-2005, 09:14 PM
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Unions are a HUGE part of the problem. The pensions and health benefits that companies have been more or less forced to pay, b/c of strike threats, is a huge hit to the budget.
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#50
12-05-2005, 09:14 PM
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Lets start with wages. All of this information comes from the UAW website
All of this pertains to UNSKILLED labor So first you get a lump sum payment In a tough economic environment, the proposed agreement delivers solid economic gains to UAW workers at General Motors and Delphi through a combination of lump-sum payments and base wage increases. UAW-represented GM and Delphi workers who are on the active roll on the effective date of the agreement will receive an up-front payment of $3,000. This settlement bonus will be paid in the second pay period following official notification of the agreement’s ratification. In the second year, workers with seniority as of Sept. 20, 2004, will receive a lump-sum performance bonus equal to 3 percent of qualified earnings (including base wages, COLA, overtime, shift and seven-day operator premiums, call-in pay, vacation, holiday and other paid time off) over the preceding 52 pay periods. This equals approximately 1900 dollars Base wages will be increased by 2 percent effective Sept. 19, 2005, and by 3 percent effective Sept. 18, 2006. Examples of Total Hourly Wage Increases Janitor Assembler Base Rate - Contract End $22.95 $23.58 Skilled trades tool allowance COLA Fold-In 2.00 2.00 New Agreement Base $24.95 $25.58 Beginning COLA float .05 .05 1st-year COLA .32 .32 End 1st-year Base Rate plus COLA $25.32 $25.95 2nd-year COLA .40 .40 End 2nd-year Base Rate plus COLA $25.72 $26.35 3rd-year 2% base rate Increase .50 .51 3rd-year COLA .44 .44 End 3rd-year Base Rate plus COLA $26.66 $27.30 4th-year 3% base rate Increase .76 .78 4th-year COLA .36 .36 End 4th-year Base Rate plus COLA $27.78 $28.44 (Projected COLA assumes annual nonmedical inflation averaging 2.2%) So what does this mean Total economic gains from the proposed agreement add up to more than $18,500 for a typical assembler, based on a standard, 2,080-hour year. That figure includes the $3,000 settlement bonus and 3 percent performance bonus, Independence week shutdown pay, scheduled base wage increases and projected cost-of-living adjustments. It factors in the impact of pay gains on shift premiums and paid time off, but not on overtime pay. What about medical costs to the employee? At a time millions of workers are facing health care cutbacks, UAW members at GM and Delphi will retain full employer-paid health care: no cost-shifting, no benefit takeaways What about paid holidays? 2006 - 2007 Nov. 7, 2006 Federal Election Day Nov. 13, 2006 Veterans Day (Observed) Nov. 23, 2006 Thanksgiving Day Nov. 24, 2006 Day after Thanksgiving Dec. 25, 2006 ---------- Dec. 26, 2006 Christmas Dec. 27, 2006 through Dec. 28, 2006 New Year’s Dec. 29, 2006 Shutdown Jan. 1, 2007 ---------- Jan. 15, 2007 M.L. King Jr. Holiday April 6, 2007 Good Friday April 9, 2007 Monday after Easter May 28, 2007 Memorial Day July 4, 2007 Independence Day Sept. 3, 2007 Labor Day That’s 16 plus this gem Independence Week Shutdown Pay The proposed agreement maintains the Independence week shutdown at GM and Delphi. During the week of the Independence Day holiday, seniority UAW workers will receive four days (32 hours) off at their regular rate of pay, including shift and seven-day operation premiums. Eligibility for Independence week shutdown pay is unchanged from the prior agreement. Over the term of the proposed agreement, the 32 hours of shutdown pay are worth an average of $896 each year for a typical assembler. Your dues UAW dues are determined by UAW Constitutional action and are not a subject of negotiations. Dues are based on the principle that they reflect each worker’s cash income, normally two hours of pay per month. Lump-sum cash payments are subject to dues because they too represent cash income, and are assessed at the traditional rate of 1.15 percent, which is equivalent to two hours of pay per month. As a result, the 1.15 percent dues rate will be applied to the Settlement Bonuses, Performance Bonuses and Profit Sharing payments. What protections do UAW members have against being laid off? First, the terms of the 1999 UAW auto industry agreements provide that no worker can be laid off for more than 42 weeks for volume-related layoffs – a decline in sales or production – during the four-year life of the agreement. After that, he or she has to be called back to work. Second, the 1999 UAW auto industry agreements include a moratorium on plant closings during the life of the agreement. In addition, the SUB program, which requires substantial payments to laid off workers, makes it costly for employers to lay off workers, and encourages them to explore other options. What is SUB pay? SUB stands for Supplemental Unemployment Benefits. First negotiated in 1955, this program is intended to provide a secure annual wage for auto industry workers. Government-funded unemployment benefits typically replace only 1/3 to 1/2 of a laid-off worker’s former wages. SUB payments supplement these benefits, and are structured such that when added to government benefits, a laid-off UAW-represented worker will receive a gross income of approximately 95 percent of his or her take-home pay for a 40-hour week, less a deduction of $25 for work-related expenses not incurred. SUB pay is fully taxable; state unemployment compensation is subject to income tax, but not Social Security and Medicare (FICA) taxes. After taxes, when qualified for unemployment compensation and receiving SUB pay, the worker in this example would receive gross benefits equal to about 75 percent of his or her gross pay for a 40-hour week. UAW Supplemental Unemployment Benefits Sample: Michigan resident with two children UAW assembler hourly wage $ 25.63 40 hours gross pay 1,025.20 Federal and state withholding 213.65 Weekly after-tax pay 811.55 95% of weekly after-tax pay 770.97 Work-related expense deduction 25.00 Gross pay under SUB $ 745.97 Workers with at least 10 years seniority also continue to receive employer-paid health insurance while they are on layoff status, for up to 25 months. Dental coverage is not included. Workers with less seniority are eligible for health coverage for a correspondingly shorter number of months. As of the second quarter of 2003, a UAW-represented assembler earns $25.63 per hour of straight time The labor cost figures cited by the companies include overtime, shift premiums and other expenses associated with having a person on a payroll. This includes the costs of negotiated benefits such as health care, pensions, education and training and prepaid legal services. It also includes statutory costs, which employers are required to pay by law, such as federal contributions for Social Security and Medicare, and state payments to workers’ compensation and unemployment insurance funds. The UAW has been losing members for many years and their stranglehold on business is falling apart. Soon the UNSKILLED UAW worker will enjoy the same pay, benefits and lack of job security that the rest of the American workers enjoy. You will see that the American worker doing the same type of work (UNSKILLED Labor) receives 6-7 dollars and hour and no health care. The majority of American workers have to pay into their healthcare, enjoy no lump sum bonuses or cost of living increases nor are they guaranteed any type of pay over unemployment if they are laid off. And I haven’t even mentioned the JOB BANK that the Big 3 have to keep . You know the one where they have to pay workers who do nothing but sit around. Notice I am directing this at UNSKILLED workers,,not the SKILLED Journey men/women who are union members.
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#51
12-05-2005, 09:21 PM
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Re: GM may file chapter 11 banckruptcy
But lets not make this a union only issue.
The problem is if GM doesn't align itself to the "global" economy and business enviroment, it will have a devistating affect on the ENTIRE country. Not only will it affect the union workers, but every little town that has a GM dealer, supplier and any other business that aligns itself with GM in it
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Why do you never have enough time or money to do the job right the first time, but enough time and money to do it again? Got all the certifications 25 years ASE Certified Master Technician GM WCT Yea..I work at a DEALERSHIP....got a problem with that? Want to diagnose cars like the Pros? FOR SALE: OTC Perception 2 channel Labscope (badged as a Matco Reality) This is my personal labscope that I use to diagnose waveforms, like new, comes with leads and training video PM Me for details
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#52
12-06-2005, 12:17 AM
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ok your pretty good at quoting stuff from old contracts and leaving out other stuff. We can now be laid off for 48 weeks, and as stated before we are the ones who pay into this sub pay every hour we work. Those the lump sum payments only where paid if you got your 1700 hours in for the year, if you didnt get 1700 hours then you did not receive this benefit. the lump sum was cheaper for GM as it was a one time payment, not an addition to our hourly rate. You also forgot to mention that we just voted to give up the rest of our raises and cola(cost of living adjustment) for the rest of the contract so that money can be put in an account to pay for the retirees benefits. If anyone thinks that it would be a good thing for unions to go away you are living in a fantasy world. Big companys will pay even less and give even less benefits if GM can get away with it. The only reason GM and FORD spun visteon and delphi off is so they could cut wage. nobody seems to look at the part about delphis underfunded pension and the fact they used the money to build the plants in china and brazil. Do you honestly think that if they cut the unions wages and benefits that the price of there cars and trucks would drop, less then 5% of the cost to make (not the cost of a vehicle) a vehicle is for labor to produce it. Can you explain to me why Delphi feels it ok to cut our wages but offer over 500 million in bonuses to there top executives.Yes we do make a good living , but I also work 60-70 hours a week. then there comes the perceived quality of american cars and trucks, they claim toyota is one of the best well guess what GM makes alot of them here and abroad inside GM its called NUMMI so for all that people think they know about the UAW and the big 3 ( actually there are only 2 american car companys GM and FORD, as its now Chrysler is now owned by Benz) they are actually lacking, yes I wish everyone had a chance for the same job and same benefits but as long as people think that the big companys are going to take care of us without someone looking out for us or us sticking together, it will never happen they will continue to send jobs over seas and charge the same price and get richer. Just look at wal-mart they really take care of there employees.
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#53
12-06-2005, 06:06 AM
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#54
12-06-2005, 06:52 AM
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All the information came off the UAW website.
Don't make your life as a union worker sound so tough, you got it better than most American workers. And don't give me that "I work 60-70 hours a week" stuff like you have to work that long...you should be saying "I get 20-30 hours of overtime a week" I come from a Union family (Skilled labor) and I know the games that are played behind the protection curtain of the "Contract" Just for clarification what do you do at GM? Are you Skilled or Unskilled labor? Do you honestly feel that you are being paid equal to the job you do (think of this as a business owner..would you pay someone the same as what you get paid for the same job) How much per hour do you set aside for SUB? Tell everyone about the Job bank. What do you think about the UAW Solidarity House, on Jefferson in Detroit. treatment of the brave men and women that protect our country so you can enjoy the protection of the contract? You said ask questions, so here they are. Like I said " The problem is if GM doesn't align itself to the "global" economy and business enviroment, it will have a devistating affect on the ENTIRE country. Not only will it affect the union workers, but every little town that has a GM dealer, supplier and any other business that aligns itself with GM in it" Do I like the fact that corporations are sending more and more jobs over seas..no Do I like the fact that more and more Americans are losing their jobs..no But you have to look at the big picture here and the high cost of labor is one of those items. To save GM, America and your job, maybe agreeing to more reasonable pay and benefits instead of entitlements might be the answer.
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12-06-2005, 07:43 AM
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#56
12-06-2005, 09:46 PM
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New Pontiac Solstice Saturn will use the same Kappa chassis as the Solstice, but it will have more standard features so it will cost more. 2007 Saturn Sky GM has revised plans for rwd cars. check this link RWD coming Cadillac's CTS, STS (has awd), and XLR have rwd. The Cadillac V series also has rwd. Cadillac V series Dodge is going to make a new Challenger. They will have a concept at the 2006 Detroit auto show. New Dodge Challenger The rwd Ford Shelby GR-1 could be made after production of the mid-engine GT is done. Ford Shelby GR-1 Every Panoz ever made has had rwd and the Saleen S7 has rwd.
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12-06-2005, 09:59 PM
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12-07-2005, 05:28 PM
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"The only reason GM and FORD spun visteon and delphi off is so they could cut wage." YES, SO THEY COULD MAYBE STAY IN BUSINESS! "they will continue to send jobs over seas" AGAIN, TO STAY IN BUSINESS. There once was a time when the unions may have been a benefit but now there are enough laws in place to protect the American laborer, that unions have long out-lived their usefulness. BTW, you don't think the UAW is just another mega-corporation making money off of you? 
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12-07-2005, 07:16 PM
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12-07-2005, 09:19 PM
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