v6 vs import 2 liter

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

HP isnt what i care about, its 1320 time. And my 1320 time smashes a stock V6 mustang with the same amount of HP.

I noticed in your sig you have
[b]

-2001 2.4L Z24 Supercharged-
-1/4 Mile 14.7@91 MPH 2.068 60Ft-
-My Car Domain-

[b]
Your times are really not all that smashing.......


My 3rd time out in my 01 V6, still bone stock 04/05/2002 (I have driven other V6's at the raceway)

1st run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.188 60ft
2nd run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.013 60 Ft
3rd run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.009 60 Ft
4th run I pulled a [email protected] with a 1.978 60 Ft
5th run I pulled a [email protected] with a 2.089 69 Ft
Car weighed 3329lbs with full tank, and not stripped, or gutted, it has everything in it that came with the car.

On 04/06/2002, I dynoed the car at 172.8rwhp and 206.8ft-lbs to the wheels bone stock, comming right off the freeway 168miles from sacramento to the bay area at the Mustang Ranch. I exceeded the speed limited on more than one occasion. I arrived and had to wait about 10 minutes for them to get the car tied down at 11:30 in the morning. My car had 16489miles on the OD and was over due for the 4th oil change. I has the El-cheapo gas and paper air filter( that didn't get change durring the 3rd oil change)

On the way back from the dyno, I was cruising back, did a bit of hot dogging of the car. Miss-shifted from 5th to 1st blew the crap out of the clutch. On 04/12/2002 received my Tax return of $3482.

on 04/13/2002 placed order to various aftermarket supplies.....

Ordered
FRPP 3:73's and T-loc
FRPP Aluminum Drive shaft
Spec Stage 2 Clutch with lightweight pressure plate option
Spec Billit Aluminum Flywheel
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Steeda Clutch Quadrant
Steeda Firewall Adjuster
Mac Quasi Duel Exhaust
ASP Under Drive Pulley
Mac Cold Air intake
Maximum Motorsports CC plates
Eibach Pro Kit
I installed everything myself.

Ported and polished the upper and lower intake myself.

Then I bought a 65mm throttle body, and bought a Superchip, had it custome programmed, to correct speedo, tweak the fuel/air ratio and bump the RPM limiter to 6300rpms and bumped the top speed limiter to 135mph.

05/04/2002 went to sac raceway again...

1st run Pulled a [email protected] with a 1.989 60 Ft.
2nd run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.999 60 Ft.
3rd run pullde a [email protected] with a 2.101 60 ft
4th run pulled a [email protected] with a 2.119 60 Ft
5th run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.987 60 Ft
6th run pulled a [email protected] with a 1.962 60 ft

Not good times at all.......but a 4/10ths improvement from april.

Still no blower, no NOS, and no Turbo.
Now make your car weigh 3329 lbs with the same gearing and tell me if your going to pull the same times.

[neatofrito1618]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

are you kidding... cavaliers are all over the place, slow cheap and retarded. way more people have cavaliers than mustangs, i cant believe u even said that. a lot of people do have v6 mustangs though no doubt about it but the cavalier is almost as comon as the neon. and when did u get ur car? i got mine a year ago for 5grand, so that means it was 4 yrs old. not even that if u look at the production sticker. if the ones u were lookin at costs 11-12 then u were lookin in the wrong place...

are u crazy so many more people have mustangs then cavaliers.the mustang is 1 of the most popular cars.

[TheStang00]

are u crazy? the cavalier is a cheap fuel effiecient car. people without large budgets buy them all the time, that car and the neon are all over the place atleast in my area, hell i even had one at one time myself. and half of my friends have all had one too. its also one of the most popular cars for parents to buy their kids that just got their liscense. you probably notice the mustangs more because you have one, that does tend to happen. like i never saw any avengers out on the road until my bro got one, then i noticed them all the time.

[neatofrito1618]

i dont know that has a cavalier i havent even see anybody at my school with a cavalier but mustangs r probaly more popular in flordia.the v6 mustangs r also cheap and have decient gas milage

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by -Jayson-

all that much more money? I paid 10,500 total and i can beat on v6 mustangs that at the time i was buying my car, sold used for about 11,000-12,000. And who wants a V6 mustang anyways, just so ricers can try a race me all day?

I spent $8100 on my car. Mustang Gt. I eat mustang v6s and z24s all day (Obvious), I havnt encountered a s/c z24, but I dont think id have a problem. One you put in you new pulley you will be over 10.5k (about what you speant now). For the extra 2.4k I can be deep into 13s/scrapping 12s.

[duplox]

All I have to say is, to each his own. If he wants to spend his money on a cavalier, go ahead. Doesn't bother me none. Just don't bother us. If you don't like mustangs, don't come in the forum. I don't go trolling around the honda, chevy, or any other boards for that matter. I stick to the Mustang board and cars in general. I don't see the point in reading about cars I don't like and never will. Let alone posting about them. You have to realize coming into a car's forum that you arent going to convince anyone that their car sucks, unless they already hold that opinion. If I like a car or dislike a car that you don't/do, its not my problem and its not yours.

I also agree that there is no cheaper way to go fast than an american pony car. Cheap as dirt since there are so many of them, already come with very decent, big displacement engines that have unparalleled aftermarket support, and RWD.

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

are u crazy? the cavalier is a cheap fuel effiecient car. people without large budgets buy them all the time, that car and the neon are all over the place atleast in my area, hell i even had one at one time myself. and half of my friends have all had one too. its also one of the most popular cars for parents to buy their kids that just got their liscense. you probably notice the mustangs more because you have one, that does tend to happen. like i never saw any avengers out on the road until my bro got one, then i noticed them all the time.

For what I can tell, Alot of the young people here drive civic's, lancer's, Focus ZX3's, low end BMW's, Foxbody and up mustangs. 350's. Saturns's, Mazda's MX-3's, Jeeps, Camaro's Firebirds( but those are becomming fewer and fewer) Small SUV's in general. WRX's, SCion TC's. and celica's. I also think the average age of cars in my area is about 5 years old. I see alot of trucks and SUV's that tend to be older.

I rarely see the Normal Neon's, Tercel's Cavalier's, Escorts, Hyundai's in general except I do see alot of the Tiburon's. I also rarely see any Kia's or Daewoo's or Geo's. Now if I was to drive to the old parts of the town, then I tend to see those cars I listed above. Or if I go to WALMART I see those cars and old cars that are from the 80's. Typically the cars are beat, or not in good condition.

Cars that I have not seen in like forever, the Hyundai exells's, Geo Storms. Ford Escorts, Chevy Corsica's, Yugo's, Daihatsu's, Eagle's and Daewoo's.

[TheStang00]

well i live in ohio, and there are a lot of cavaliers around here lol trust me, one of my friends actually came over tonight to use some of my tools to change his sparkplugs on his cavalier. a lot of them are older ones to. the neons are slowly dieing out though and they were being replaced by cavaliers, now it seems like people around my area are starting to get civics a lot more. im talking mostly high school kids. now you do see mustangs everywhere definatly, but never a great abundance in one area from my experience, like i said theres two at my highschool (1200 students). and ill see one or two from other highschools if i visit them. but yeah civics are starting to overpopulate everything. but i think its kinda retarded to argue if a mustang or cavalier is faster... the mustang is obviously, the cavalier is an economy car, and that 4cyl in it isnt very good. i got another friend with a cavalier and he has put tons of money into body work and apperance and it actually looks pretty cool, but he bitches about it a lot now because its still not that fast. he actually wants to get a mustang GT now, thing about them is they already look really great without anything done to them and they are pretty fast.

[dampachi]

How the fuck did this turn into a Cavalier Vs Mustang comparison? Next you guys will be arguing about whats better..apples...or like..fucking grapes or something. Cool it guys. V6 mustangs, cavaliers, civics, neons, whatever else you guys said are all slow. Now STFU.

[ls1mazda93rx7]

I'd like to know what type of turbo,wastegate, cooler,heatsheild is used in this kit and at what psi. I'd also like 2 know how long the motor would last on the stock internals? hmmm no forged crank or pistons that would be cool but you would have 2 run at low boost. it might be cheaper and easier 2 have a rearmount turbo. I was just asking 2 learn more about this, my friend has 3.8 stang.

[ls1mazda93rx7]

ahh this is what i was aking about---------v

Originally Posted by Rod&Custom

Hang around 3.8mustang.com a little more often. There is a fellow on there running 400rwhp(custom turbo setup by him) with stock internals, and under $5,000 invested. I think he might start selling the kits for about 6k, so that would only be 1k off of the Cavaliers mark, and would eat him, v6s, v8s, and the superchard Cobra V8 for breakfast. So Stang00 was right.

[silverstangs]

Originally Posted by dampachi

How the fuck did this turn into a Cavalier Vs Mustang comparison? Next you guys will be arguing about whats better..apples...or like..fucking grapes or something. Cool it guys. V6 mustangs, cavaliers, civics, neons, whatever else you guys said are all slow. Now STFU.

dude chill and relax........ we're not tossing insults in here. It's been pretty decent and well behaved.

Now let me go start my GT up and feel the torque again.

[dampachi]

Mm, torque.

[HighRev87]

Originally Posted by silverstangs

Now let me go start my GT up and feel the torque again.

Originally Posted by dampachi

Mm, torque.

These guys read my mind!

[-Jayson-]

i didnt get a mustang cause i couldnt afford the insurnace on it. Im 20 and have a drinking and driving charge. Also at the time i was car shopping, v6 mustangs in the 2000+ model were about 12,000-13,000. I like mustangs, they are great american muscle cars without a doubt. The new ones make me cream my jeans everytime i see one. I didnt think the v6 mustangs were that fast stock, i nevr had a problem with one. Also my car is an AUTOMATIC. If i had a stick id be mid to low 14's. I just added a B&M shiftplus kit that should shave .1-.3 tenths of a second off my 1320, it was 40 bucks.