Oil

[movin2stereo]

Get over it tard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by movin2stereo

Get over it tard!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look everyone, we have exclamation boy here.

His goal is to see how many exclamation marks he can put behind his pointless statements.

Like, omg dude, like you are so, like a tard bro, like, man, like I can't like take it when people like say I am wrong like so I like start to like post aimless like shit so I can like look like a total like teenager like omg!

[movin2stereo]

Originally Posted by BlazerLT

Look everyone, we have exclamation boy here.

His goal is to see how many exclamation marks he can put behind his pointless statements.

Like, omg dude, like you are so, like a tard bro, like, man, like I can't like take it when people like say I am wrong like so I like start to like post aimless like shit so I can like look like a total like teenager like omg!

Like whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What do you call this pointless shit then?????????????????????????????I think we found our teenage bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlazerLT]

Thanks for proving my point.

[movin2stereo]

You done with this stupid shit now?

[BlazerLT]

I believe you asked yourself a question.

Now answer yourself......

[movin2stereo]

Good

[sector95]

[quote=BlazerLT]First of all, don't take me as being rude, but I do have to correct some of your general statements.



Yes it does, if you are changing synthetic oil every 3000-4000 miles of course synthetic will be expensive and a huge waste of good oil. The thing is, you don't change synthetic that often. Synthetic's properties do not breakdown like the conventional oil.

Nah, you see right there, you are putting forth an opinion and not a factual claim. You are more or less saying that all oils are the same if the grade is met and this is completely untrue.

The API standard is the "bottom of the barrel" requirements for an engine oil to meet so it can be classified.

Additive packages are different in all oils and that is what makes them different, better or worse.

Again, this is your opinion and is not even close to the truth. If the oil has the same API rating, it is only meeting the "basic" requirements for that standard.

Travel here and tell me all oil is the same.

http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/...DaysPrune=1000

Different oils have different additive packages and different cleaning and lubricational properties.

Your Tech2000 has been tested to have a poor additive package and not really the greatest overall protection on the market and that is why it is cheaper.

If you think your Tech2000 is just the same as Castrol GTX, you have another thing coming.

I am not being rude to you, I am just making you aware of the broad general statements you are making and how they can completely steer people in the wrong way if they knew nothing about motor oils.

Will you get better fuel economy? Yes, I gained 2mpg when I switched to synthetic. No bullshit, this is calculated over six 20 gallon tank fulls over the same road and conditions.

You are completely correct about the better flow characteristics in colder conditions. Conventional oils have to use low temperature flow additives to make the oil flow better in the cold and they wear out after a while. Also, conventioanl oil has WAX, yes WAX and this leads to the gelling of oil in really cold temperatures.

Synthetic has not wax whatsoever and is practically suited for colder climates as a basestock. They actually have to make it thicker for 10w30 or 15w40 grades.

If you were changing synthetic every 3000-4000miles, OF COURSE it would be more expensive. But you see, you are supposed to use longer oil change intervals that offset the difference in cost. YOU "DON'T"CHANGE SYNTHETIC EVERY 4000MILES



Blazer,

Okay...I've been on this board now for maybe a couple of weeks. I am a member of a few other automotive interest boards and each one of them has a guy just like you; an "expert" in everything automotive and a man placed on this earth to bring guys like me out of the automotive darkness and into the light of enlightenment. Please, I'm not trying to be rude here or anything, but you have an inate ability to, how shall we say, rub folks the wrong way. With respect to this oil stuff, if you want to split hairs and argue theories and chemistry fine, but the mainstream ideas expressed about oil are relatively conservative and therefore fairly*SAFE*. Yes, a synthetic oil will probably last a lot longer than a dino oil and if you want to get into a cost analysis benefit have at it. If all of this extended drain and alternate filter changes are so wonderful, why haven't the automakers jumped on this bandwagon? Cars have become so maintenance free these days you'd think the last vestige of the "old days" would be laid to rest: that of the 3K or 7.5K oil and filter changes. Could it be that maybe the "Big Three", with all their immense research and engineering might, don't agree with your theories? If one oil is so much better than another, don't you think the automakers would make specific recommendations (which they do apparently on some high end autos) Or is this a "conspiracy" of some sort purpatrated on the driving public by the automakers? If someone was to adopt your schedule for oil and filter changes on a vehicle under warranty (factory or extended) they would void it..... hmmm. So what kind of research have you done besides read stuff posted on the internet? Thousands of hours.... doing what?

I have gone to one of "your" links about oil (the "Oil Bible") and scanned the text. What I was looking for specifically were the credentials of the person who wrote this piece.... maybe I missed it, a good chance of that, but I couldn't find any.... you'd think they'd be right up front so people reading this diatribe would know before they got into it that it isn't some load of fiction. What I found insted where about 17 pages of how I could make money by selling this piece or using it in conjunction with a website/forum...I was even offered the chance to purchase a CD copy of this work.....very interesting. But nowhere could I find the name of the individual who wrote it or what their background is. You claim to have thousands of hours of research into this oil thing; so are you a petroleum engineer? Do you work for an automotive research company or one of the big petroleum companies? You speak as if you are some authority on the subject (and apparently many other subjects as you are all over this forum) but I have yet to see you put forward any credentials as far as expertise.

The internet is a wonderful place to get information of all kinds...problem is, any hack who has command of the English language can post anything they wish and claim it as true. If you're gonna spout all this "expertise" to us mere peons, then you better start puttin' your money where your mouth is credential-wise...otherwise folks might begin to think your some guy with no life and a lot of hot air.......

[BlazerLT]

Originally Posted by sector95

Blazer,

Okay...I've been on this board now for maybe a couple of weeks. I am a member of a few other automotive interest boards and each one of them has a guy just like you; an "expert" in everything automotive and a man placed on this earth to bring guys like me out of the automotive darkness and into the light of enlightenment. Please, I'm not trying to be rude here or anything, but you have an inate ability to, how shall we say, rub folks the wrong way.

I'm sorry if my differing and educated opinion "offends" you but just buck it up and realise that what I am saying is true. Better yet, PROVE that I am wrong. I instead of arguing about credentials and your differing opinion, I challenge you to put your opinion to the test and prove that I am wrong about synthetic oils.

Originally Posted by sector95

With respect to this oil stuff, if you want to split hairs and argue theories and chemistry fine, but the mainstream ideas expressed about oil are relatively conservative and therefore fairly*SAFE*. Yes, a synthetic oil will probably last a lot longer than a dino oil and if you want to get into a cost analysis benefit have at it. If all of this extended drain and alternate filter changes are so wonderful, why haven't the automakers jumped on this bandwagon? Cars have become so maintenance free these days you'd think the last vestige of the "old days" would be laid to rest: that of the 3K or 7.5K oil and filter changes. Could it be that maybe the "Big Three", with all their immense research and engineering might, don't agree with your theories?

Exactly, you don't want to split hairs because you know I am right. You can't argue against the chemical truth.

Obviously you haven't been doing you reading have you because soon cars will come with a factory fill of synthetic that will last over 50,000+miles on one change. This is not a rumour, it is fact. Do some searching on it.

If you go look at your vehicle's owner's manual, you will see that oil change intervals of 3000 miles is for SEVERE service like towing, 100% stop and go traffic etc.. and I have a friend here that has a 1992 Toyota 4Runner sitting right outside that has a sticker from the factory that says he can go 9000miles to one conventional oil change fill. Hmmmm.... That throws your manufacturer theory out the window. I can get a picture if you want.

The only people touting the 3000miles oil change interval is the oil industry and the oil change companys that pray upon the unknowing consumer. I just had my synthetic oil change that cost me US$50 at a local Mr.Lube in the winter time 8-9 months ago (too cold to do it myself at -30f) and I jokingly asked the guy when I should change the synthetic oil, he looked at me and said 3000miles. I laughed in his face and told him that he lost a customer because I know he was lying to get me back sooner. He gave me an uneasy "oh oh, they guy knows better" look and walked back to his office. The other guys in the shop didn't sa a word when I asked them if they would change synthetic every 3000 miles and one even shook his head no. He was fired the next day.

Originally Posted by sector95

If one oil is so much better than another, don't you think the automakers would make specific recommendations (which they do apparently on some high end autos) Or is this a "conspiracy" of some sort purpatrated on the driving public by the automakers? If someone was to adopt your schedule for oil and filter changes on a vehicle under warranty (factory or extended) they would void it..... hmmm. So what kind of research have you done besides read stuff posted on the internet? Thousands of hours.... doing what?

You see, the engine manufacturers don't specify the oil change interval, the oil industry does.

I'll throw the question right back in your face, what information do you have to discredit what I am saying? Show me some information instead of attacking my intelligence.

Originally Posted by sector95

I have gone to one of "your" links about oil (the "Oil Bible") and scanned the text. What I was looking for specifically were the credentials of the person who wrote this piece.... maybe I missed it, a good chance of that, but I couldn't find any.... you'd think they'd be right up front so people reading this diatribe would know before they got into it that it isn't some load of fiction. What I found insted where about 17 pages of how I could make money by selling this piece or using it in conjunction with a website/forum...I was even offered the chance to purchase a CD copy of this work.....very interesting. But nowhere could I find the name of the individual who wrote it or what their background is. You claim to have thousands of hours of research into this oil thing; so are you a petroleum engineer? Do you work for an automotive research company or one of the big petroleum companies? You speak as if you are some authority on the subject (and apparently many other subjects as you are all over this forum) but I have yet to see you put forward any credentials as far as expertise.

So this is you arguement? It is all a lie right? All 150+ pages was a lie? Every single morsel of information is a straight out in your face lie right? So you are one of these people that have to have a petroleum engineer talk to you on the phone to say that everything is ok and all is right so you will believe it? WAKE UP!!!!

Face it, you "SCANNED" it and that's all, you disregarded the information, plugged your ears and stuck your head in the sand so you didn't have to realise that what you are saying about oil change intervals is garbage.

And don't attack my knowledge about chemistry because yes, I do hold a chemical engineering degree so don't even start on my educational requirements.

Originally Posted by sector95

The internet is a wonderful place to get information of all kinds...problem is, any hack who has command of the English language can post anything they wish and claim it as true. If you're gonna spout all this "expertise" to us mere peons, then you better start puttin' your money where your mouth is credential-wise...otherwise folks might begin to think your some guy with no life and a lot of hot air.......

So you want more information with actual chemical results from chemical labs?

How about checking this site for information including petroleum engineers and mechanics:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php

Virgin Sample Oil Analysis:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...ubb=forum;f=11

Used oil Analysis:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...?ubb=forum;f=3

Better yet, find me some information again that discredits what I am saying instead of just stating nothing and attacking my educational and ethical integrity.

You see, that is what desperate people do what they don't have a leg to stand on.

[atomicpulse]

holy crap all this quarrelling for nothing. BlazerLT has provided me with nothing but the right answers so far. If he says something its not just for the hell of it.. its more the likely true.. so rather then argue just listen, or provide more information

[BlazerLT]

Thanks bro, I just try to help everyone make an educated and cost effective choice that will have their trucks running at top top shape and low maintenance costs overall.

I do this for your guys. If I didn't I wouldn't even be posting on forums.

[atomicpulse]

Another question. I went to the store to price out Mobil 1 synthetic. But they have 3 different kinds. One is new vehicle synthetic, one was high mileage. Can't remember what the other one was. Which one should I go for?? My 98 S10 has 55 000 miles. Thanks

[BlazerLT]

Tell us the vaieties and then we will select which one.

[busa_4]

the new vehicle synthetic is 0w-30, dont go with that weight. go with 10w-40 or 10w-30 or even 5w-30 for warmer climates.

[BlazerLT]

0w30 is perfectly fine in vehicles.

You don't change to synthetic until 10,000 miles anyways so the rings can seat properly.