240 or VR-4?

[nissanfanatic]

You guys should check out that link I posted about 5 min ago. 404whp on a stock KA. Jspec posted a while back about a guy running a 10 on a built KA. I think it comes down to the owner(how well he tuned the car and how well he can drive). I don't know a whole lot about the 3k engine, but I know a little about the KA and it is definately capable of sprinting when some pressure is added if you know what I mean. 3k will ultimately make more power built.

[logik23]

So Iread about the 840rwhp VR-4. It's owned by Pit Road M, a japanese tuning shop. Everything, and I mean everything under the hood and in the drivetrain was modified, that includes, a carbon-fiber driveshaft and modified combustion chambers, don't ask....lol. They converted the twin turbo setup to a single Greddy T88, everything else on the car comes from MFR Fighter so if you have a 3000GT, they are the ones to see. lol

[LaYzIeNoY]

ok just for the sake of the person that started this thread i am going to post this again
If you really want and are determined to get both cars i would suggest getting the VR-4 first as it is probly the rarer of the two cars depending that just how it is here where i live, there is an abudance of 240s some it wouldnt be that big of a loss if you dont get it now
either way according to your own words you'd own em both sooner or later
ok i hope i didnt put anything up that someone will try to use against me

[nissanfanatic]

Originally Posted by logik23

So Iread about the 840rwhp VR-4. It's owned by Pit Road M, a japanese tuning shop. Everything, and I mean everything under the hood and in the drivetrain was modified, that includes, a carbon-fiber driveshaft and modified combustion chambers, don't ask....lol. They converted the twin turbo setup to a single Greddy T88, everything else on the car comes from MFR Fighter so if you have a 3000GT, they are the ones to see. lol

It must be great to own your own tuning shop and build these crazy ass cars everyday. And if my calculations are correct, using a multiplecation factor of 1.19 for the drivetrain loss, scenes how he has a carbon fiber driveshaft and other goodies, that VR-4 is making exactly 1000hp at the flywheel. Well its 999.6, but thats close enough. Did they say what it ran? Never mind, thats Super Street.

[logik23]

Originally Posted by nissanfanatic

Did they say what it ran? Never mind, thats Super Street.

Yeah, their articles are funny and they have some crazy ass cars, but they don't give enough information...

[SHO411]

true.

[musicsurfman]

that 804 hp is proabably either flywheel or doctored up because it is super street, and second that much power is going to cause major traction loss so it will have a slower time than a underpowered vehicle.


and If you guys look at that article that car is completly gutted and race ready... so its no longer a 4000lb car.

[logik23]

It's 840whp and they took out some interior panels, but he still has things like the climate controls and the stereo, why must you fight against all things that show that 3000GTs have potential?

[rps13freak]

no one said it didnt have any potential, we just said that it would cost to much to acheive that much h/p.

[JasonDMX2]

I can get a r32 gtr front clip for 2,500 shipped. I can swap it in just like that with the crossmember. Or I can spend 300 dollars more and do it the right way with mounts. Plus the drifeshaft work probally about 200 dollars.

That's 300+ hp in my originally 2,700 lb car + 200 more lbs for the 26.

I will say 3000 lb.s max


Wow it's called weight to power ratio, and your vr4 is slowww and fat what do they weigh like 3,400 lbs? and everything costs a fortune.

you can get a sr20det redtop front clip for 1500 shipped and throw a big turbo on it and get high twelves.

Look at sport compact car magazines project junkyard silvia. They used a sr20det and put some coil overs on it and a lsd.

There is no point in talking the vr4 is going to run you more than a 240sx with an engine swap running a lower 1/4

[musicsurfman]

Umm you really need to look at that article again and at all the pictures.... I have the magazine in front of me right now. It has no carpet or sound deadening material, the panels are gone, in japan they dont have to have all the safety featurs like the us so there are no door crossbeams, no full front bumper cores, no i-beam supports, etc. This car is probably over 500lbs less than a stock US car. As Jason said it power to weight ratio.

I'm not shitting on anything with potential because everything has potential, its all a matter of whats economically potential and how much bang for the buck are you really getting..... With the vr-4 its not much as compared to a 240sx, ae86, mr2, honda civic, integra, rx-7, supra, etc.

[musicsurfman]

now you tell me how much all that costs: http://www.pitroadm.com/PitroadM-HP-E/newframe3.htm

[JasonDMX2]

And I swear to god, if you argue with me or insult me. I will think you are the biggest retard that thinks he knows something about cars that I ever met. And I bet so will everyone else looking at this board.

an rb26dett in a 240sx for 3000 mounted plus my original 800 dollar car cost vs a vr4.... There is not even a point in defending it against my 240sx


You know we may be one sided towards you, I wonder why? The first thing did when you entered this forum was start bashing 240sx's and defending your blessed vr4 like it was king shit. 240sx with a turbo'ed ka24, forged pistons, fuel management, and cams would eat a vr4 lol


Power to weight, power to weight dun dun dun dun dun.

[logik23]

[quote=JasonDMX2]know we may be one sided towards you, I wonder why? The first thing did when you entered this forum was start bashing 240sx's and defending your blessed vr4 like it was king shit. 240sx with a turbo'ed ka24, forged pistons, fuel management, and cams would eat a vr4 lol
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I was bashing the 240SX? I just talked about my blessed VR-4? I love 240s, that's why I'm this forum, retard. I never even thought about buying a VR-4, but buying a 240SX is what I had in mind forever, all I need is money. I'm just saying the VR-4 isn't as bad as musicsurfman is saying it is. I love the 240SX and you have to shut the fuck up because I never, ever bashed the 240. Maybe if you actually read the posts I made, maybe if you werent Kelso's illiterate bastard brother you would have been able to read about how I love the 240, but I just tried to say a few good things about the 3000GT.

[XeVeNskyLiNE]

ok people lets just put it this way. on a drag strip, a 240 vs. a VR4 with equal amount of mods in terms of money. ofcourse the VR4 will win, just because its gonna have more power plus the AWD advantage. now, take those 2 cars to lets say the Suzuka circuit, Laguna Seca or whatever twisty road course you can think of. the 240 will run circles around this thing in the turns, the VR4 might just touch it on the straights, but a road course isnt exactly gonna serve up a loarge number of straights. so drag strip winner = VR4. road course winner = 240sx. its all your preference man, my opinion is they're both hell of a cars, they just excel in different areas. but in terms of just plain cost, the VR4 is gonna kill you, so if you go that way save up your lunch money cuz you'll need it. *off topic, dsm, i saw how shut them haters up when they were doubting you having a 3000GT, i admit, i was suspicious at first too, but not to the point i was jump all over your ass for it, good job shuting up them assholes