what type of performance does the944 have?

[eohrnberger]

I concur. Porsche, because there is no substitute.

[saab9kturbo]

Originally Posted by ledhedsymbols

No offense man, but I drove an 87 944 for years, and I think you are full of crap. Unless you have godlike ability and drove on a serious road course, the N/A 944 would get it's ass handed to it, mods or not. Just my .02.

The 3000gt and Mustang I could maybe see. They are slow cars, my friends 1991 saab 9000 turbo automatic absolutly stomped a 2001 mustang gt on the freeway--and we had FIVE people in the car!!!! My uncle has a 3000gt SL and its a very slow excuse for a sports car. The 944 can get power to the road better than the mustang or 3000 anyways.

The vr-4, on the other hand, is totally a waste of time...what are you crazy man? An N/A 944 vs. a VR-4.....well, ill call it now, and unless the tranny in the vr-4 explodes you will not even see the vr-4 by the time you hit 60. The 951 and vr-4 are more faily matched, and the 951 is a world of performance away from the N/A, even in handling (stock).

[eohrnberger]

Ahh yes. But merely going fast is not the only or best measure of a car.

There are a lot of other things, like handling and balance, reliability, solid engineering, comfort and appointments, appearance and styling, and last, but not least, reputation.

I believe that this is a more holistic measure of car, rather than just who can accelerate faster. After all, most races are won in the corners and not the straights. Just my humble opinion.

[neo the hacker]

Your right, its not just about speed, and thats all the jap cars are good for. You need a car with Heritage and history and passion, Ferdinand Porsche Sr goes right back to 1875AC when he was born, and was racing not long after the turn of the century when he designed Austro-Daimlers for the 1910 Prince Henry trials. How far back does the jap car makers history go back?

[eohrnberger]

My guess would be sometime after that Admiral (Dewey?) parked his ships in Tokyo bay cracking open the previously closed Japanese borders and economy.

It's after this point where the Japanese culture went from a feudal system to a modern monarchy and the western influence started taking hold. So something like 1880? But that's just my guess.

[Great-King-Rat]

Ok, well...I was told not to forget the turbo cars and I was talking stock all along and then you say "dont forget were talking stock here". Sorryman but that reply just kinda came and went on me. But basically what you pointed out was that stock rx-7's run with the turbo 944's...right?

Neo the Hacker...I am so glad you take so much pride in that damn mobility bike. I hope you inherit it someday. But if you would use your head...you would have noticed you did nothing but repeat every word i said about the RX-7...making you look like a jack ass. And no, if you know how to care and maintain a car...no junk yard. Problem solved.

[neo the hacker]

That mobiliy scooter will be worth some money one day. Great-king-rat, calm down, dont take everything so personal. And i am a jack ass, dont worry about it, i'm a jack ass that loves PORSCHES!

[Great-King-Rat]

Are you really serious about that handicapp box on wheels being worth something someday?...may I ask how...and if you give me a good explanation I might just believe you...

[83-944]

"Ok, well...I was told not to forget the turbo cars and I was talking stock all along and then you say "dont forget were talking stock here". Sorryman but that reply just kinda came and went on me. But basically what you pointed out was that stock rx-7's run with the turbo 944's...right?"

Kinda, stock or turbo (II) RX-7's run with turbo 944's

Have you ever looked in e-bays Antiques section? As long as the mobility scooter is in stock form, it could sell for a lot! j/k

[ledhedsymbols]

Just an FYI for you berger.... It was Commodore Matthew Perry that sailed into Tokyo harbor.


My .02...... I can't really compare the build quality of the 944 series to the RX-7. As has been mentioned, the engines have a tendancy to need a rebuild before 100K. Well maintained 944 engines don't need that for a good deal longer... Some folks get 250,000 out of them.
Ultimately though, it comes down to personal choice. Me, I'll take my Porsches. The heritage, quiality of engineering and lets face it, cachet of owning one is all part of the experience.


Cheers,
Micah

[neo the hacker]

Nice one ledhed, spot on. Great king, the scooter as a 12v battery on it, instead ov a six, it as go faster stickers on it, white wall tyres, chrome, club sport sticker on the back, and my grandma is getting it chipped next week, its gonna be doing 0-60 in never and instead of 6mph it will do 7mph. how about that then.

[zzpza]

Originally Posted by neo the hacker

Nice one ledhed, spot on. Great king, the scooter as a 12v battery on it, instead ov a six, it as go faster stickers on it, white wall tyres, chrome, club sport sticker on the back, and my grandma is getting it chipped next week, its gonna be doing 0-60 in never and instead of 6mph it will do 7mph. how about that then.

that sounds like a pretty bad ass ride! remember every sticker adds 3hp, 5hp if it's yellow.

[zzpza]

Originally Posted by ledhedsymbols

My .02...... I can't really compare the build quality of the 944 series to the RX-7. As has been mentioned, the engines have a tendancy to need a rebuild before 100K. Well maintained 944 engines don't need that for a good deal longer... Some folks get 250,000 out of them.

to add to what ledhedsymbol said, the rx-7 isn't an unreliable car. you just have to drive & maintain it differently from a car with a piston engine. if you fail to do that then you'll screw the engine very quickly and be faced with a very large repair bill.

my main area of concern when i was thinking about buying one was that you can only ever take it to a specialist to have work done, or you have to do it yourself. that's not a biggie if it's your fun car, but if it's your daily driver and you're relying on it to get to work in the morning it was a real problem for me. i use my 924 as a daily driver and i've had no problems.

[Autofreefindersguy]

The benefit of the RX-7 is that it DOESN'T need special service...Check the OIL....

It requires NO timing belt service...EVER...It doesn't have one...

Any back yard mechanic can change plugs...Thats no biggie...
I have heard of many na RX-7's easily making it to 200 k miles with NO engine rebuilds...

I have owned several 2nd gen T2's that were also VERY reliable! (even with high miles)

On the other hand, all the 944 series Porsche's require Timing & balance shaft belt changes EVERY 35-45k miles or 3 years whichever comes first...If you don't do that and it goes (Breaks) your out an engine! And its a VERY expensive service...Water pump change is also desired at that time...

So while I love and have owned both cars, I just hate to hear that RX-7s don't last as long AND require special service...They don't!

Now the Porsche's will always hold a higher place in automotive nature...But IMHO the RX-7 is one of the best true sports car values anywhere!

Here is the scoope...
They are both fairly lite good handling, balanced cars...
The NA 944's and RX-7's are very very close in specs as far as HP and speed times...

The SAME is true of the T2 RX'7's and the 944 Turbo's (951) the exception being the LTD 1988 production 944 Turbo S model and all 1989 944 Turbos...Who could climb into the 170 MPH range and could stop on a dime with the 928S4 brakes!
They are both winners!

[Great-King-Rat]

I like Porshes and RX-7s...but performance wise the RX-7 has my vote. On the avaerage car I believe there are atleast 50 to 150 MAIN parts. On the RX-7...there are 3. Thats right...3. Less parts you have, less there is to tear up, but downside...more it is to repair. So about equal in the long run.